Draconator Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WMDman Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 yeah I have a feeling Big Ben wont be the same this year... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: ? Magic how this account is always a few minutes slow. They know nothing. I would have given Ebron that $$ and cut Kroft and "False start" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, WMDman said: yeah I have a feeling Big Ben wont be the same this year... He wasn't the same last year, BEFORE he destroyed his arm. He looked pathetic in his brief few quarters IMO people talking about this guy like he'll be capable of anything are purely leaning on his name 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 This sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) Pittsburgh just traded for Womley too. Big Ben redid his contract to free up money. He has a 41 million cap hit next year. Pitt is all in with Ben for 1 more year! Edited March 20, 2020 by ColoradoBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 We definitely need more at TE. We have nothing outside of Knox and he is still very young and unproven. I would rather cut every TE that we have except Knox and start fresh. The group that we have right now is putrid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Wasn’t expecting much at TE.... they seem fine with the lackluster crew they got now. Love the Diggs trade, but really hope they do more..... Ebron for 2/12 million should have been a chip shot. Instead: "let's see what (6 year veteran) Kroft's got". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 For that value, I would have liked to have signed him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Why doesn't Beane uprgrade TE and OL this off season? I can't understand ( 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) My favorite tight end out there is Nick Vannett. He can block, he’s huge, and he has some pass catching skills. I think there is some potential still there as a former third rounder. 8 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: Why doesn't Beane uprgrade TE and OL this off season? I can't understand ( All he would be doing is upgrading depth. He isn’t looking for starters at those positions. So maybe he brings in a Greg Van Roten or a Nick Vannett, but those guys would be coming in to compete. There are no upgrades to our starters at those positions out there in my opinion. Edited March 20, 2020 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: There are no upgrades to our starters at those positions out there in my opinion. There were Bulaga, Conklin and so on at OL this free agency Ebron is upgrage of Kroft, isn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, WMDman said: yeah I have a feeling Big Ben wont be the same this year... Even the corpse of Big Ben is better than ?. If they had decent qb play, they make the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Pittsburgh just traded for Womley too. Big Ben redid his contract to free up money. He has a 41 million cap hit next year. Pitt is all in with Ben for 1 more year! Pittsburgh has restructured multiple contracts in the last week or so - it's what they do to keep the band together. Been doing it for years. They never really replaced Jesse James so I guess this is the answer for them. Ben has recently said his arm feels better now that he's started throwing again than it has for the last few years, but we'll see how it goes in the fall. I think they will be in the mix for a playoff spot but I don't think they will get the first or second seed in the playoffs in 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 They weren't signing Ebron or any TE for that matter. It will be the same group as last year, ideally with everyone not named Lee Smith taking a big step foward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Not starters at RT or TE? Why? I just think they believe in Ford and Knox. I think those guys are their starters and if anything they would look for competition. I think the Olsen thing was a special case and he would have replaced Kroft. They believe in their draft picks, which they should. 15 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: There were Bulaga, Conklin and so on at OL this free agency Ebron is upgrage of Kroft, isn't he? I suppose they could have pursued those guys, and maybe they did. Those guys are clearly better than Ford right now, but i just don’t think it ever makes sense to dump a boatload of cash into the RT position. Its debatable whether or not any guys left on the market are better than Ford. On the tight end situation, it really depends on what you are looking for. If you want a complete in line tight end who can do a lot of things Kroft is better. If you want a receiving tight end who is an athletic freak, then Ebron is better. For what we do offensively and the fact that we have Knox, Kroft is better in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I'd rather draft a RT than pay Conklin what he got. He's a good run blocker but terrible in pass protection. And Bulaga has injury problems and is 31. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: Why doesn't Beane uprgrade TE and OL this off season? I can't understand ( Did you really wanna see us overpay for someone like the jets did with George Fant? I see us addressing offense in the draft Edited March 20, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I guess... Knox has potential but Jesus Christ, dude had a 20% drop rate. That’s ridiculous to rely on him as a starter. I hear that. I just think Knox is super raw as a receiver and blocker, but he definitely has upside. He needs a strong offseason (current status in the world isn’t helping) but I think his drops were mostly a kid trying to do too much and being amped up. He tried to turn and run with the ball way too often. Knox was a high school quarterback who was hurt his senior year and sat out. Then walked on at Ole Miss, redshirted and only played in 18 college games. He is a true work in progress. He needs to take a big step up and find consistency, but I do think he is already better than a good number of tight ends in the league. Edited March 20, 2020 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Did you really wanna see us overpay for someone like the jets did with George Fant? I see us addressing offense in the draft I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft? I’m sure they’re will be upgrades in the draft. Overpaying for someone like Fant is how you lose in the season. O line in free agency this year wasn’t that good. Better to get young at the position Edited March 20, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I guess... Knox has potential but Jesus Christ, dude had a 20% drop rate. That’s ridiculous to rely on him as a starter. The site I saw said 12%. The same site said Ebron was at 9.6% last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Not a huge Ebron fan .... seems that the bills don’t value the position anyway. I know fans are high on Knox, but in reality they took a flyer on him as a player who did next to nothing in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Main knock against Ebron is drop problems and inconsistent route running. The last thing this offense needs despite his physical talent. Knox and Kroft will be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft? It just isn’t that easy. Offensive linemen are so hard to find and there is a huge fail rate. Free agency is littered with failed first rounders like Germaine Ifedi each year. There are no dream team situations, unless you want to wind up like the Rams. The Bills are doing this the right way, a good mix of solid veterans, game breaking young players, and developing players. There is a good chance that Conklin gets hurt again with the Browns. There is always risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He had 10 drops on 50 targets.... that’s ridiculously bad. Ebron wasn't much better. We'll see how this year pans out. If Knox still has trouble catching the ball, he'll be out of the rotation. Edited March 20, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: My favorite tight end out there is Nick Vannett. He can block, he’s huge, and he has some pass catching skills. I think there is some potential still there as a former third rounder. All he would be doing is upgrading depth. He isn’t looking for starters at those positions. So maybe he brings in a Greg Van Roten or a Nick Vannett, but those guys would be coming in to compete. There are no upgrades to our starters at those positions out there in my opinion. That is a problem that could have been easily solved. 1 hour ago, Doc said: They weren't signing Ebron or any TE for that matter. It will be the same group as last year, ideally with everyone not named Lee Smith taking a big step foward. Which compounds this problem.... 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I just think they believe in Ford and Knox. I think those guys are their starters and if anything they would look for competition. I think the Olsen thing was a special case and he would have replaced Kroft. They believe in their draft picks, which they should. You can believe in Knox.....and have another guy who will start immediately who will at least as good as Knox right away. It's allowed to have 2 quality starters at TE on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I guess... Knox has potential but Jesus Christ, dude had a 20% drop rate. That’s ridiculous to rely on him as a starter. He had enough problems with drops, but no need to make stuff up.. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/dawson-knox/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Which compounds this problem.... Not a big problem. He dropped 1 pass every 2.7 games. And Ebron isn't the solution to it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Not a big problem. He dropped 1 pass every 2.7 games. And Ebron isn't the solution to it anyway. How is doing nothing the solution to a problem? Drops per game isn't a stat....for a reason. Edited March 20, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: How is doing nothing the solution to a problem? Knox was a rookie so I'll give him at least this year to see if he improves. And there are also Kroft and Sweeney. How is adding a guy with drop problems throughout his career like Ebron a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You can believe in Knox.....and have another guy who will start immediately who will at least as good as Knox right away. It's allowed to have 2 quality starters at TE on the roster. Point taken. I’m pretty sure Kroft is that guy for them. They signed him to be their starter last year, over a guy like Ebron who was available at the time. Then Kroft got hurt. He was okay when he came back, but aside from Austin Hooper, Kroft is still probably better than any other guys available in free agency. I think Olsen could have been that guy, but obviously he chose another team. I do really like Cole Kmet and he’s on my short list in the second round, though I don’t think he makes it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Knox was a rookie so I'll give him at least this year to see if he improves. And there are also Kroft and Sweeney. How is adding a guy with drop problems throughout his career like Ebron a solution? With Luck in 2018, he caught 13 TDs, doc. He had 9 drops on 110 targets. You don't think Allen would like a guy like that PLUS whatever becomes of Knox ( a guy who really hasn't been a receiver of passes since high school)? Ebron is a solid vet, and would immediately be the best TE on this roster in years. Why argue with that for the cost? While you're "waiting to see if Knox improves" why wouldn't you also want Ebron there? It's a strange argument. 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Point taken. I’m pretty sure Kroft is that guy for them. They signed him to be their starter last year, over a guy like Ebron who was available at the time. Then Kroft got hurt. He was okay when he came back, but aside from Austin Hooper, Kroft is still probably better than any other guys available in free agency. I think Olsen could have been that guy, but obviously he chose another team. I do really like Cole Kmet and he’s on my short list in the second round, though I don’t think he makes it there. No, Kroft got hurt in Cincy, went on IR (after one single career season that rose to adequate/mediocre when he was healthy). Then he came to Buffalo and immediately re-injured the foot. Back on IR. In my business, we call that predictable error. It is to be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: With Luck in 2018, he caught 13 TDs, doc. He had 9 drops on 110 targets. You don't think Allen would like a guy like that PLUS whatever becomes of Knox ( a guy who really hasn't been a receiver of passes since high school)? Ebron is a solid vet, and would immediately be the best TE on this roster in years. Why argue with that for the cost? While you're "waiting to see if Knox improves" why wouldn't you also want Ebron there? It's a strange argument. Outside of that one really good season, he's been an average (what you would call "solid") TE, and really, a disappointment for where he was drafted. And even during that season he had an 8.2% drop rate. If you were to take the number of targets he had divided by the number of targets for Knox and multiply that by Knox's receptions and yards, they'd come out similar, except for TD's. And even last year, on the same number of targets, their numbers were similar. I don't see the point in adding him and stunting his or Sweeney's growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: People argued the same thing about the recievers last offseason.... how we were fine at the position. A lot like to just blindly go with whatever the regime is doing at a certain position.... After making the playoffs twice in their first 3 season, they get the benefit of the doubt. And I'd say we're fine at the WR position now, wouldn't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 We are shallow at TE. We don't have any dependable talent that can help carry a game. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts... Not proven, and not a good situation for a young QB. Sorry but this is a fail. Hooper should have been our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Somehow the Steelers did this with negative cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: We are shallow at TE. We don't have any dependable talent that can help carry a game. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts... Not proven, and not a good situation for a young QB. Sorry but this is a fail. Hooper should have been our guy. Is Hooper a TE who can carry a game? He's a fine player and would have been a good get but his rookie stats were similar to Knox's. Again, give Knox some time. 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Yes now although I'd argue they need more depth.... but many thought we were fine a year ago.... including McBeane. Playoffs twice in their first 3 seasons is great. ... still no playoff wins and bad offenses. They get the benefit of the doubt with the defense, with the offense not really. You'd be hard-pressed to find a team with more depth at WR than the Bills have now. As for being fine last year, they were...to make the playoffs. They're addressing the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBillsFan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Is Hooper a TE who can carry a game? He's a fine player and would have been a good get but his rookie stats were similar to Knox's. Again, give Knox some time. Knox's drops are not to be trusted. I said "helped" carry a game. He's a dependable outlet to a young QB on a rookie contract. Knox is unknown and certainly not dependable at this minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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