KRC Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Azalin said: All anyone has to offer in the way of information are hunches. The medical and scientific communities are still coming to grips with this, while everyone else is either clamoring for answers, dispensing opinions, or making doomsday predictions. As far as I'm concerned, there's plenty to be concerned about. I'm in my early 60's, with COPD and type 2 diabetes. I'm staying at home, having my groceries delivered, and keeping everyone else the hell away from me. This may not be that big a deal to most, but it is to me. Until I learn otherwise, I'm watching and waiting, looking after myself, and keeping everyone else both at arm's length and in my prayers. I am essentially doing the same. I am diabetic. Wifey has banned me from running any errands and being around people. Stay safe, my heavy metal brother!! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) This belongs here in the cuckoo section. Escobar has written some interesting things in the past, but I'm not sure how to categorize this one? I do know that his comment about elimination of reserve requirements is off the mark. The derivatives market implosion may be correct, but the elimination of reserves and credit explosion is not. https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/ Btw, there's an interesting tidbit in there that mentions a Saint Corona, the patron saint of pandemics... Edited March 20, 2020 by TPS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Azalin said: All anyone has to offer in the way of information are hunches. The medical and scientific communities are still coming to grips with this, while everyone else is either clamoring for answers, dispensing opinions, or making doomsday predictions. As far as I'm concerned, there's plenty to be concerned about. I'm in my early 60's, with COPD and type 2 diabetes. I'm staying at home, having my groceries delivered, and keeping everyone else the hell away from me. This may not be that big a deal to most, but it is to me. Until I learn otherwise, I'm watching and waiting, looking after myself, and keeping everyone else both at arm's length and in my prayers. Stay safe man. We need you for when the bills win the super bowl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Foxx said: alternative title: Corona Beer Skeptics. Would you like Lyme with that? okay... i'm not saying the Kung Flu is a hoax and i am also not saying it is the world ending event some would have you believe. i honestly do not know exactly what this thing is. we simply have way to much disinformation out and about and too little actual hard factual evidence to make a well informed, educated conclusion from. certain things are becoming more and more clear as we move along in time but as yet... knowing exactly what this thing is is impossible right now. as an example of things i am looking at, to give a better insight to what is actually happening (being i am naturally highly skeptical of the 'official word'), i wonder why somethings are not like others. what i mean is that here in the US we should be approaching the point where we should be seeing certain images, if not already there. anyone who has been following this down here in the dungeon should remember the vivid images of victims keeling over while walking down the street, faceplanting on the sidewalk or in hospital corridors in China, Iran and selected other places. damn near everyone in the US has a phone so there is really no way that TPTB could reasonably suppress these images from escaping into the wilds. hell, even China couldn't do that. please do not misunderstand me here, in no way do i want to see these things but, all things being equal, should we not be seeing things like this in the US? What is your over under for it not being overblown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TH3 said: What is your over under for it not being overblown? to be honest, i'm not sure but i am thinking something like, mortality rate on a comparable scale of flu numbers. 13 hours ago, KD in CA said: I don't think it's overblown, but when I hear people starting to talk about a 30 days quarantine being six months, or 18 months, I become disturbed that no one is attempting to calculate the human toll on intentionally smashing the global economy into dust. How many people are going to die as a result of financial ruin? it is proven that the mortality rate rises when there is a financial downturn. i posited yesterday, the Trump Economy thread i think, that, depending on the final numbers, the economic collapse could have a higher fatality rate than this actual virus. also, if this lock down continues for 6 months, it is all but guaranteed that the JIT supply system will collapse. it is already stressing and it may be that all it needs is 3 months to start breaking down in earnest. uncharted waters lie ahead if this goes on much longer. Edited March 20, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 hours ago, KRC said: I am essentially doing the same. I am diabetic. Wifey has banned me from running any errands and being around people. Stay safe, my heavy metal brother!! To you as well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 16 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: No offense? You agreed with a guy that wished people dead and further clarified who you thought should die. So how many did Hillary kill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So how many did Hillary kill? Including Benghazi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 2:39 PM, shoshin said: This won't age well. Are you saying that you don't believe that hospitals are already having tragic shortages of basic supplies? Medical workers are not already coming down with this? Do you understand how an exponential (or something akin to it--I'd love for the leveling off to happen quickly as some reports may indicate) works? Do you understand that we are only at the beginning of this and that is why we don't have a massive buildup of cases yet? Were you one of those people saying last week, "What's the big deal, there are only 40 cases so far?" Do you Trump /America haters ever shut the %$#@ up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 hours ago, TPS said: This belongs here in the cuckoo section. Escobar has written some interesting things in the past, but I'm not sure how to categorize this one? I do know that his comment about elimination of reserve requirements is off the mark. The derivatives market implosion may be correct, but the elimination of reserves and credit explosion is not. https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/ Btw, there's an interesting tidbit in there that mentions a Saint Corona, the patron saint of pandemics... Eliminating reserve requirements. Good night Irene, learn history people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Including Benghazi? What? Go on... 20 hours ago, KD in CA said: I don't think it's overblown, but when I hear people starting to talk about a 30 days quarantine being six months, or 18 months, I become disturbed that no one is attempting to calculate the human toll on intentionally smashing the global economy into dust. How many people are going to die as a result of financial ruin? Depression, suicide, domestic abuse, drug and alcohol abuse will all increase. And what will happen when the bill is due for paying for all this. There is a saying about war, you can win the war and lose the peace. This will be a mess that will need cleaned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 9:14 PM, KD in CA said: I don't think it's overblown, but when I hear people starting to talk about a 30 days quarantine being six months, or 18 months, I become disturbed that no one is attempting to calculate the human toll on intentionally smashing the global economy into dust. How many people are going to die as a result of financial ruin? It’s disturbing how many sheep in NY and CAL are allowing themselves to be controlled by dictator Governors without a thought. Their very financial lives are being torn asunder , but they stand feebly by. Poor planning by Governor Cuomo ( he was warned of a ventilator shortage in the situation of a pandemic back in 2015) has led to this. He chose to not add one half of one percentage point to the budget by purchasing thousands of ventilators at $36k apiece. That would be a bargain price now. Anyway, he can’t keep the charge up for too long without destroying the greater economy for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers, perhaps even millions in the name of saving a few thousand lives. It’s a tough choice for sure, but there is no good outcome. Our medical system still has many more ventilators per 1000 population than all of the socialized medicine countries. It’s still not enough, but we need to pool resources and do the best we can while opening up daily life and trying to take precautions. At the current rate, many more lives will be ruined than lost to the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Albwan said: Do you Trump /America haters ever shut the %$#@ up I don’t hate Trump or America. I am rooting for our president to succeed and for us to bond as Americans. I see a disease that has barely started its US progression with a peak Coming in mid May or June. I hope desperately that these lockdown measures (going to be more like 6-8 weeks to be effective) come with Massive testing and a clear tracking plan so we can have an economy to even discuss in 2 years. I understand the desire to be skeptical but I’m close to the healthcare system and it’s not going to be OK in this first wave. NYC is at the bare beginning of the outbreak and supplies are running low. The CDC is talking about using bandanas in medical settings. Masks for a week. This is unheard of before now for a reason. A strong weaker mutation would be amazing. A severe weather change impact would buy us time to prepare for the fall. Drug breakthrough please yes. But these are not going to help much in this initial wave. Balancing the economic vs health issues is juggling chainsaws. Something is going to get cut off. We are trying for the 6-8 weeks shutdown that saves something. This is smart but it’s not organized and won’t work unless it is centralized with testing “like you wouldn’t believe” to use a stock phrase of Trump’s along with disease tracking to isolate positive cases. Korea provides a model. We were not ready to follow it and that’s just what it is. Hard truth. We have woeful testing resources and I see zero discussion in leadership about testing. It’s not Trump’s fault. It would not have been Hillary’s fault in a parallel universe. Or Biden no matter how he Monday morning QB’s this mess. But can we get to the KR model of huge testing and rigorous tracking in 8 weeks? We can’t by waiting for governors and not putting everything as a country into it. Trump says we are at war? OK agreed. But then he is looking to Governors to make decisions. Are you following General Cuomo who was slow to act in NY? General Wolfe who locked down much of Philadelphia early? General Desantis who didn’t shut down FL and now all those kids are going home after bathing in each other’s germs? Trump is doing a great service to the Tenth Amendment right now. It’s about time he did something for the “United” part of the name of our country. Tell us the plan with voices in the room all of America trusts. Marshall and organize the resources. Execute the plan and change it as required. Ignore fighting with the media, re-election, giving himself credit, etc. Just do it. America will be grateful to a president of “United” States and November will take care of itself. Edited March 21, 2020 by shoshin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: It’s disturbing how many sheep in NY and CAL are allowing themselves to be controlled by dictator Governors without a thought. Their very financial lives are being torn asunder , but they stand feebly by. Poor planning by Governor Cuomo ( he was warned of a ventilator shortage in the situation of a pandemic back in 2015) has led to this. He chose to not add one half of one percentage point to the budget by purchasing thousands of ventilators at $36k apiece. That would be a bargain price now. Anyway, he can’t keep the charge up for too long without destroying the greater economy for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers, perhaps even millions in the name of saving a few thousand lives. It’s a tough choice for sure, but there is no good outcome. Our medical system still has many more ventilators per 1000 population than all of the socialized medicine countries. It’s still not enough, but we need to pool resources and do the best we can while opening up daily life and trying to take precautions. At the current rate, many more lives will be ruined than lost to the virus. human ingenuity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6fWpdXvOYk&feature=emb_logo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: It’s disturbing how many sheep in NY and CAL are allowing themselves to be controlled by dictator Governors without a thought. Their very financial lives are being torn asunder , but they stand feebly by. Poor planning by Governor Cuomo ( he was warned of a ventilator shortage in the situation of a pandemic back in 2015) has led to this. He chose to not add one half of one percentage point to the budget by purchasing thousands of ventilators at $36k apiece. That would be a bargain price now. Anyway, he can’t keep the charge up for too long without destroying the greater economy for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers, perhaps even millions in the name of saving a few thousand lives. It’s a tough choice for sure, but there is no good outcome. Our medical system still has many more ventilators per 1000 population than all of the socialized medicine countries. It’s still not enough, but we need to pool resources and do the best we can while opening up daily life and trying to take precautions. At the current rate, many more lives will be ruined than lost to the virus. but, but.......#orangemanbad Everyone knows we had plenty of ventilators under Obama. Trump must have sold them all when he took over. Edited March 21, 2020 by KD in CA 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 9:54 AM, Bob in Mich said: If there was justice in the universe, rather than culling the elderly, this virus would cull our world of the idiots. Please God, start with those that continue to claim that this is all overblown. Don't want Bob's wish for death to all those who disagree with him to slide too far off the thread. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Don't want Bob's wish for death to all those who disagree with him to slide too far off the thread. gahhhhhhhhhh sentence structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: gahhhhhhhhhh sentence structure Um, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 the Terry Gilliam film.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rDK1qdc9-Y 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1244342772783394822 https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1243948364695298050 https://twitter.com/RmillerRalph/status/1243993392553570304 https://twitter.com/Megan74128820/status/1244438194931691521 https://twitter.com/dag825/status/1244418476846059522 Edited March 30, 2020 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I fail to see how pictures of an empty parking lot or service road is meaningful, without seeing what is (or isn't) happening inside the buildings. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 i certainly don't proclaim to know exactly what is happening but i do know that #filmyourhospital is trending on Twitter. also, a 'war zone' would seem to imply chaos all around and if the main stream propagandists are to be believed, that war zone should be apparent on the streets outside of hospitals one would think. without meta data from the videos, there is no real way to know when they are filmed outside of possibly having a daily paper or some such in said videos for reference. which if they want a bit more credence, they would have some way to verify when they were taken. here is one inside the ER of King Couty hospital. https://twitter.com/DilleyShow/status/1243927903349293058 a respiratory ward? https://twitter.com/DigiByteMike/status/1244404922382274563 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 It’s not that surprising that the outside of hospitals would appear less busy considering a lot of them are not allowing visitors and most if not all elective or non urgent surgeries have been postponed or cancelled. There’s probably people who normally would visit the ER every time they get a headache who are staying away out of fear too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) At our local hospital in a 150K population community we had 16 patients admitted that have Covid-19 as of Saturday. According a nurse neighbor who is a head of staff there, most of these people are not sick enough to be admitted to the hospital but for very cautionary reasons they are doing so. 7 deaths in our county of about 1 million people. Edited March 30, 2020 by keepthefaith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 the Rothschild's latest cover. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 23 hours ago, keepthefaith said: At our local hospital in a 150K population community we had 16 patients admitted that have Covid-19 as of Saturday. According a nurse neighbor who is a head of staff there, most of these people are not sick enough to be admitted to the hospital but for very cautionary reasons they are doing so. 7 deaths in our county of about 1 million people. I wonder how this whole thing would look if they were sending non-critical people home like they do with any other malady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 is the dystopian future unfolding as a result of the 'cure'? unfortunately the longer we, as a 'society' are locked down, the more likely this scenario unfolding becomes. with the odds greater in impoverished areas. keep you head on a swivel and your powder dry. Italy Risks Losing Grip in South With Fear of Looting, Riots As Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte fights to hold Italian society together through a crippling nationwide lockdown, the depressed south is turning into a powder keg. Police have been deployed on the streets of Sicily’s capital, Palermo, amid reports gangs are using social media to plot attacks on stores. A bankrupt ferry company halted service to the island, including vital supplies of food and medicines. As the state creaks under the strain of the coronavirus pandemic, officials worry the mafia may be preparing to step in. Preventing unrest in the so-called Mezzogiorno, the underdeveloped southern region that’s long lagged behind the wealthy north, has become the government’s top priority, according to Italian officials who asked not to be named discussing the administration’s strategy. With the European Union’s most dangerously indebted state already fighting the Germans over the terms of the financial aid it needs, the fallout may reach far beyond Rome if Conte fails. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Event 201 what: Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms. where/when: Friday, October 18, 2019 8:45 a.m. – 12:30 p.m. The Pierre hotel New York, NY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 12:54 PM, Bob in Mich said: If there was justice in the universe, rather than culling the elderly, this virus would cull our world of the idiots. Please God, start with those that continue to claim that this is all overblown. Why are you racist against the Brazilians? They are not doing anything nearly as drastic as we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Why are you racist against the Brazilians? They are not doing anything nearly as drastic as we are. He's just a miserable SOB who wishes death upon those who disagree with him. That would be understandable if Bob had ever been right (about anything) the past four years. But he hasn't been. He's done nothing but chose the wrong side, every time, and rather than admit his error, he doubles down on TDS and claims victory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/apr/02/trump-holds-war-on-drugs-press-conference-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-video In an unusual start to the White House daily coronavirus briefing, US president Donald Trump announced a new focus on drug cartels. Trump was joined by attorney general, William Barr, the secretary of defense, Mark Esper and top military officials who did not seem concerned with social distancing. The president announced the sending of navy ships toward Venezuela as the US intensifies counter-narcotics operations. Trump touted a link between drug trafficking and the coronavirus: ‘As governments and nations focus on the coronavirus, there is a growing threat that cartels, criminals, terrorists and other malign actors will try to exploit the situation for their own gain. We must not let that happen.’ It comes a day after Trump said that up to 240,000 Americans could die from the coronavirus pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 12:34 AM, Boatdrinks said: It’s disturbing how many sheep in NY and CAL are allowing themselves to be controlled by dictator Governors without a thought. What are you suggesting the sheep in NY and CA do? Open up their bars and restaurants in disobedience of the government order? Go outside and play a 7 on 7 game of touch football in the park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gary Busey said: What are you suggesting the sheep in NY and CA do? Open up their bars and restaurants in disobedience of the government order? Go outside and play a 7 on 7 game of touch football in the park? Gary....we/they only play soccer (futball) in California. There’s far less ‘touching’. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: So are you claiming that drug cartels and the opioid crisis should be ignored because of the Flu Manchu? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Koko78 said: So are you claiming that drug cartels and the opioid crisis should be ignored because of the Flu Manchu? Yes. Because he supports people who are funded by those cartels, and those people want their supply lines (of more than drugs) to remain open in times like this. And, because Tibs is just a vessel for other people's talking points, he's gleefully supporting cartels and traffickers per his masters' instructions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 1:06 PM, Deranged Rhino said: He's just a miserable SOB who wishes death upon those who disagree with him. That would be understandable if Bob had ever been right (about anything) the past four years. But he hasn't been. He's done nothing but chose the wrong side, every time, and rather than admit his error, he doubles down on TDS and claims victory. Shut up idiot. You are just such a POS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Oh look at the spreader of ignorance making fun of me. Tell me sh it head, do you wash your hands like the media says? Or would that be a surrender? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 DARPA is asking universities for access to their tunnels ASAP, and it's because the US military thinks its next war will go underground The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) issued a peculiar request over Twitter on Wednesday, asking for underground tunnels to use for research — as soon as possible. Though DARPA's request managed to spook Twitter users, DARPA told Insider that the request is related to technology development for underground combat and search-and rescue operations. While President Donald Trump looks to create a Space Force — an entirely new military branch — the Pentagon itself has put more than half a billion dollars into technology and training to compete on underground battlefields. ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) i always thought that, in historical lore, comets portended death and destruction. is the comet late or is the virus early? Comet ATLAS may soon be visible to the naked eye Like watching the final chapter of a show or movie series, you’re almost trembling with excitement — but you don’t know whether you’ll have the experience of a lifetime, suffer a grand disappointment, or end up with something that’s just OK. Right now, odds are that Comet C/2019 Y4 (ATLAS) will be wonderful. Just maybe it will be the most amazing thing you will ever see — a great comet for the history books. Here’s what we might be able to expect. ... ... Y4 was discovered on December 29, 2019, by the Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) search program, one of the several automated sky surveys looking for potential Earth-crossing asteroids. Discovering comets is essentially a byproduct of this endeavor. At the time, C/2019 Y4 was a feeble magnitude 19.6 and located at nearly 3 astronomical units from the Sun — almost twice as far from our star as Mars. (One astronomical unit, or AU, is the average Earth-Sun distance.) In mid-March, Y4 ATLAS surged 4 magnitudes, fueling rumors that it will just keep getting brighter, peaking at magnitude –8. ... ...The Northern Hemisphere has great seats from now right up until the comet reaches perihelion on May 31, when ATLAS makes its closest approach to the Sun and performs a sharp turn around our star. Observers from 40 to 60 degrees north latitude are close to the stage, with those from 50 to 55 degrees north getting front-row seats. Equatorial and southern locations get one decent week starting May 28, but then Y4 stays low and fades quickly into the distance, like an object viewed out the back window of a fast-moving car. By mid- to late April, which includes the New Moon on April 22, ATLAS is already large and diffuse for its distance. Note that reported magnitudes are integrated, which essentially crunches all its light into a point, rather than spreading it out between the coma and tails. Magnitude 2 is easy for the unaided eye, but from the city a big halo will be invisible through the light pollution. Streaking halfway between Polaris and brilliant Capella, Y4 might resemble a lopsided Andromeda Galaxy. By mid-May, ATLAS is second in brightness only to Venus! During the deep blue of nautical twilight, it is only 15° high, dropping lower as the calendar ticks onward. Avoid observing from locations just south of a city — there’s no point looking through a light dome. Instead, an open field to the north lets you observe as long as possible. ... Edited April 4, 2020 by Foxx 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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