RochesterRob Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, njbuff said: How about when Ralph fired Polian? How dark of a day was that? Almost as bad in the day that Ralph called Erie County to make sure the power was going to be on back during the mid-1980's just hours before a scheduled game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Lamonica was my dad's favorite. I'm named after him. Always told me worst trade Bills ever made 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: This was way before my time but it looks like Ralph was making terrible moves for decades. He was not a good owner when it came to outing together a winning football product. He got lucky with Polian/Marv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdermott Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, SoTier said: The article you quoted said that they reached an agreement with Smith. It didn't say that he signed a contract. There is a significant difference between agreeing to contract terms and actually signing the contract. He signed the contract. They had a press conference and everything, Rules were different back then. It was allowed to combat the USFL. Edited March 16, 2020 by Mcdermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 hours ago, SoTier said: No college player can sign with any NFL team until after the NFL draft. Bruce Smith was the #1 over all pick in 1985, which the Bills owned because of their crappy record the previous season. Flutie was taken in the 11th round (#285) of the LA Rams. I think that Smith rejected the WFL as an option, so the Bills drafted him, but he couldn't have been signed before the draft. First round draft picks holding out into some time into TC was very common before the rookie salary cap went into effect about 2010 or so. Smith agreed to terms before draft and Kelly was USFL player 12 hours ago, SoTier said: What I have heard over the years is that Wilson traded Lamonica because he had an affair with another player's wife. I don't how true that was but it seems consistent with how Wilson ran the team. I think that Lamonica would have failed in Buffalo. The loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship (for the berth in Super Bowl I) was the Bills' last hurrah and ushered in 2 decades of misery for Bills fans which were only broken by Lou Saban's short lived return as coach (1972-the first 5 games of 1976) and the Chuck Knox regime (1978-1982) until Bill Polian took charge of the Bills in 1986. Between 1967 and 1985, the Bills were mostly uncompetitive with the rest of the NFL. Wilson didn't like paying top money for quality players, so the Bills drafted primarily based either position (lots of DBs in the first round) or whether a draftee would accept the Bills' low ball salary offers in the first round. In the 20 years between 1967 and 1986, the Bills had the #1 pick in the entire draft 4 times (OJ Simpson (1968), Walt Putulski (1972), Tom Cousineau (1979), and Bruce Smith (1985)), 3 top 5 picks, and 2 top ten picks. Simpson and Smith both held out a long time before finally signing with the Bills. Cousineau chose to play in the CFL rather than for the Bills. Jim Kelly (the only QB taken in the first round during this period) chose the WFL over the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Wow. Really ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 hours ago, SoTier said: What I have heard over the years is that Wilson traded Lamonica because he had an affair with another player's wife. I don't how true that was but it seems consistent with how Wilson ran the team. I think that Lamonica would have failed in Buffalo. The loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship (for the berth in Super Bowl I) was the Bills' last hurrah and ushered in 2 decades of misery for Bills fans which were only broken by Lou Saban's short lived return as coach (1972-the first 5 games of 1976) and the Chuck Knox regime (1978-1982) until Bill Polian took charge of the Bills in 1986. Between 1967 and 1985, the Bills were mostly uncompetitive with the rest of the NFL. Wilson didn't like paying top money for quality players, so the Bills drafted primarily based either position (lots of DBs in the first round) or whether a draftee would accept the Bills' low ball salary offers in the first round. In the 20 years between 1967 and 1986, the Bills had the #1 pick in the entire draft 4 times (OJ Simpson (1968), Walt Putulski (1972), Tom Cousineau (1979), and Bruce Smith (1985)), 3 top 5 picks, and 2 top ten picks. Simpson and Smith both held out a long time before finally signing with the Bills. Cousineau chose to play in the CFL rather than for the Bills. Jim Kelly (the only QB taken in the first round during this period) chose the WFL over the Bills. I believe you meant to say USFL. The World Football League folded over a decade earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 hours ago, njbuff said: How about when Ralph fired Polian? How dark of a day was that? The Lamonica trade was a little before my time. For me, Ralph's worst move was firing Bill Polian...for some words Bill had with Ralph's daughter. All downhill from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Mcdermott said: The Bills chose Smith because he was clearly better then Childress. You are right, he didn’t hold out but they didn’t draft him because they could sign him. As for Flutie, he ended up going in the 6th or 7th round which goes to show you how smart fans are. Any person who watched Bruce in the North South game tackling everyone in sight for a loss could tell he was better than anyone on the DL that we had ever seen. That kid was awesome in college but it was his work effort to slim down in the pros that made him the great sacker he became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 18 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: slow news?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 hours ago, ExWNYer said: I believe you meant to say USFL. The World Football League folded over a decade earlier. Mea culpa. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 17 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Take the goat for a walk. You’ll both feel better. Just stay out of the mall. LMAO... a classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/2017/07/23/clark-hall-fame-moment-local-pastor/103931614/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 8:49 AM, SoTier said: What I have heard over the years is that Wilson traded Lamonica because he had an affair with another player's wife. I don't how true that was but it seems consistent with how Wilson ran the team. I think that Lamonica would have failed in Buffalo. The loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship (for the berth in Super Bowl I) was the Bills' last hurrah and ushered in 2 decades of misery for Bills fans which were only broken by Lou Saban's short lived return as coach (1972-the first 5 games of 1976) and the Chuck Knox regime (1978-1982) until Bill Polian took charge of the Bills in 1986. Between 1967 and 1985, the Bills were mostly uncompetitive with the rest of the NFL. Wilson didn't like paying top money for quality players, so the Bills drafted primarily based either position (lots of DBs in the first round) or whether a draftee would accept the Bills' low ball salary offers in the first round. In the 20 years between 1967 and 1986, the Bills had the #1 pick in the entire draft 4 times (OJ Simpson (1968), Walt Putulski (1972), Tom Cousineau (1979), and Bruce Smith (1985)), 3 top 5 picks, and 2 top ten picks. Simpson and Smith both held out a long time before finally signing with the Bills. Cousineau chose to play in the CFL rather than for the Bills. Jim Kelly (the only QB taken in the first round during this period) chose the WFL over the Bills. Bruce Smith was not a hold out after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Ralph is cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I have hard time saying I blame Ralph. Buffalo swung and miss but it seems that at the time the move made sense and was of fair value. If it is true also that the Lamonica had an affair or they had concerns on his medical health then it makes even more sense. Unfortunately with trades sometimes they work great, sometimes they are equal, and sometimes they are a disaster. Buffalo missed with Darryl but we hit homeruns with Bennett, McCoy, and Jerry Hughes to a lesser extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Flash in the pan. Nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffaloed in Pa said: Flash in the pan. Nothing more Who? Lamonica?? Shirley, you jest. POY. Mad Bomber. Absolutely destroyed the Bills every time we played against him. 3 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/2017/07/23/clark-hall-fame-moment-local-pastor/103931614/ Great story! Thanks GBID! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Wow. Like i said. Flash in the pan. Nobody knows him. Except old Bills fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffaloed in Pa said: Wow. Like i said. Flash in the pan. Nobody knows him. Except old Bills fans Git off’n my lawn, ya goddam Whippersnapper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Im 61. So i know. Highly overrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 2:29 PM, SoTier said: They might agree to a deal but they can't actually sign a deal until after they are drafted. Wasn't your original point that he was a holdout? Agreement in principal or signed deal... Neither equates to a lengthy hold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 6:52 AM, dwight in philly said: Totally agree , up until the Sabres trade of Ryan O'Reilly , this ranks as the worst trade in Buffalo sports history by far.. You may have forgotten the Buffalo Braves trading Bob McAdoo to the Knicks for John Gianelli and cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, ColeB said: You may have forgotten the Buffalo Braves trading Bob McAdoo to the Knicks for John Gianelli and cash. For sure! did forget that one but remember it well! Thats when they dismantled the Braves.. a team that was awesome and if not for that horrible call to allow Jo Jo White to go to the free throw line in 76 , in game six against the Celtics .. Braves could have won it all that year .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 4:09 AM, Chandler#81 said: That trade was along the lines of letting briere and drury slip away. Devastating and the start of hell for the franchise. A very good young QB in his prime for a 31 yr old tight end and a completely no talent QB named Tom Flores. 8 hours ago, corta765 said: I have hard time saying I blame Ralph. Buffalo swung and miss but it seems that at the time the move made sense and was of fair value. If it is true also that the Lamonica had an affair or they had concerns on his medical health then it makes even more sense. Unfortunately with trades sometimes they work great, sometimes they are equal, and sometimes they are a disaster. Buffalo missed with Darryl but we hit homeruns with Bennett, McCoy, and Jerry Hughes to a lesser extent. with buffalo in the long haul---they generally did NOT work...hence the loser of a franchise that we have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) On 3/15/2020 at 10:41 AM, SoTier said: No college player can sign with any NFL team until after the NFL draft. Bruce Smith was the #1 over all pick in 1985, which the Bills owned because of their crappy record the previous season. Flutie was taken in the 11th round (#285) of the LA Rams. I think that Smith rejected the WFL as an option, so the Bills drafted him, but he couldn't have been signed before the draft. First round draft picks holding out into some time into TC was very common before the rookie salary cap went into effect about 2010 or so. Bruce did indeed sign ( or Agreed to a contract) before the draft. The top pick could sign early. Look it up. And it was the usfl for Kelly not wfl. Edited March 17, 2020 by 4th&long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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