GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: But notice when he’s handing the ball off to Zeke more his INT rate is low. This year they had him throwing too much and his INT rate went higher. He threw 11 this year while he usually only throws 4-5 maybe 6 Max the last couple of years. My point is he’s not worth 45 million a year and Jones is a fool to even offer him this type of money. He’s a top 10-15 QB not top 5. Stats don’t mean squat if you can’t even get your team to the playoffs Well Dak has got his team to the playoffs as division champs twice in his 4 years and he has a playoff win. It is not as though he hasn't helped his team have success. Romo only won 3 division titles in his 9 seasons, Dak has 2 in 4. As for he is a 10-15 QB, I agree. I just said he had a top 5 or 6 season last year. The point about money is where people are getting this all wrong. If we work on the basis that at any one time about half the NFL has QBs it is genuinely happy with and at least 2 or 3 of them (presently maybe more) are guys still playing on rookie deals and one or two of them are old guys at the end ring chasing... that means a top 16 QB who isn't in either of those categories will be top 10 salary and every new deal goes in at the top of the top 10 and then slides down as new deals are done each spring. It is the league and the way it works. I swear Bills fans are going to get an almighty shock when it comes to extending Josh because even if he shows only a small performance jump in 2020 on 2019 he is going to get $35m+ per year. Edited March 9, 2020 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 If Allen was a free agent what do you pay him? Some team may be willing to give Allen $30M per... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Right now today you would rank Josh above Dak? That is crazy. Absolutely fine to say you still think his ceiling is higher, he has more natural talent and he can take another jump this year then it might be a conversation. But as of right now you rank him higher? Nah sorry. As for the QB pay point.... other than Brees and Brady who are ring chasing at the tail end of their careers and then the guys who are still on rookie deals who is paid less than Kirk Cousins that you think should be getting more than him? 1. Yes, I would take JA above Dak. Does anyone think Dak gets us to the playoffs last year? 2. I never said guys on the tail end of a rookie deal should be getting more than Cousins. I'm saying Cousins is overpaid, and it's killing Minn's cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I’m not paying Dal $34m a year personally. Nor am I paying Cooper that either. Dak isn’t a top 5 QB, he’s not special IMO. Cooper isn’t even a top 10 WR. He’s good for a few big games with majority being mediocre or worse. Again neither is bad, and in fact would say both are even pretty good. I’m just saying I’m not gonna pay this duo a cap choking amount of money as if they were top 3 players at their positions. I don’t see them getting Dallas over the top. It’s one thing to pay one, but both is a bit too rich for me. I wouldn't want to pay them that either, but it is the new age of contracts in the NFL with the ever ballooning salary cap. QB numbers are steadily going up. Cooper could easily get $15,000,000 or more from somewhere if Sammy could get $16,000,000 per as well. The fact is Dallas has spent A LOT of $$$ these last couple of seasons on Lawrence, Elliott, Smith, and their OL. This was always a problem they were going to run into. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: 1. Yes, I would take JA above Dak. Does anyone think Dak gets us to the playoffs last year? 2. I never said guys on the tail end of a rookie deal should be getting more than Cousins. I'm saying Cousins is overpaid, and it's killing Minn's cap situation. On 1 - yes, I do. On 2 - in which case he is not overpaid. That is basic supply and demand economics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Cowboys will remain mediocre for the next few years. And will still get 6 prime time games a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: And will still get 6 prime time games a year. And be talked about constantly by the bobble-heads on TV because they are "America's Team" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 23 hours ago, njbuff said: Patrick Mahomes is going to make 60 mill a year at this rate. I would sign him for that in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think so. You have to eat gabagool every day too. this ***** is racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And will still get 6 prime time games a year. That's it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Do I still get paid? Then yes Justifiable, but you always kind of hope people won't adhere to a "screw everybody else as long as I get mine" philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Will be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years when Allen is demanding this kind of money. Hopefully Allen proves himself to be elite by then, but we'll see. As is, I'm not sure which way I would be leaning in terms of wanting to give him a big contract but obviously we have a few years to figure out what kind of player he's going to be. 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: But notice when he’s handing the ball off to Zeke more his INT rate is low. This year they had him throwing too much and his INT rate went higher. He threw 11 this year while he usually only throws 4-5 maybe 6 Max the last couple of years. My point is he’s not worth 45 million a year and Jones is a fool to even offer him this type of money. He’s a top 10-15 QB not top 5. Stats don’t mean squat if you can’t even get your team to the playoffs. Also the only reason dak had a better year than zeke is because Garrett stopped running the ball and was relying on Prescott’s arm too much Dak was playing at a near MVP level for most of the season lol. He tailed off a bit down the stretch but he had a top 5-10 QB season this past year. Doesn't necessarily mean he's actually a top 5-10 QB but he proved he can potentially play at that level. 47 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: 1. Yes, I would take JA above Dak. Does anyone think Dak gets us to the playoffs last year? 2. I never said guys on the tail end of a rookie deal should be getting more than Cousins. I'm saying Cousins is overpaid, and it's killing Minn's cap situation. Come on man. This is insanity. Edited March 9, 2020 by DCOrange 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Dak was playing at a near MVP level for most of the season lol. He tailed off a bit down the stretch but he had a top 5-10 QB season this past year. Doesn't necessarily mean he's actually a top 5-10 QB but he proved he can potentially play at that level. Come on man. This is insanity. Again what did his near MVP season get him and his team this year? Stats don’t mean ***** if you can’t get your team to the next level. Stats are for losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, teef said: this ***** is racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Again what did his near MVP season get him and his team this year? Stats don’t mean ***** if you can’t get your team to the next level. Stats are for losers You were talking about it as if he was worse last season because they went away from Zeke. Dak was awesome last season and in all likelihood, they will be in the playoff picture again next season largely because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: You were talking about it as if he was worse last season because they went away from Zeke. Dak was awesome last season and in all likelihood, they will be in the playoff picture again next season largely because of him. I highly doubt they will be in the playoff picture next year since all of there cap will be tied to Dak, Zeke and Cooper. They don’t have the cap for free agency and probably will barely have enough cap for their rookies in the upcoming draft. And most of Dak’s good games last season were against bad teams and all the games against good teams last season he was mediocre. Dallas has their own version of Kirk cousins. Puts up nice stats but can’t get your team to the next level. Edited March 9, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, DCOrange said: You were talking about it as if he was worse last season because they went away from Zeke. Dak was awesome last season and in all likelihood, they will be in the playoff picture again next season largely because of him. Awesome against Miami, Washington x2, Giants x2, Lions, and Eagles once. Their signature win was against the Rams who were not very good either. This Dak was awesome crap is complete and utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 52 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Justifiable, but you always kind of hope people won't adhere to a "screw everybody else as long as I get mine" philosophy. If the cowboys couldn't put together a competitive roster when Dak was making $1,000,000 a year, what makes you think the difference between $33mm and $35mm is going to matter? All the penny pinching armchair GMs on the internet would be the first to complain when Cooper Rush is slinging the old pigskin for America's team. 25 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: Awesome against Miami, Washington x2, Giants x2, Lions, and Eagles once. Their signature win was against the Rams who were not very good either. This Dak was awesome crap is complete and utter nonsense. Unlike Josh who had all those signature wins against playoff teams, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Billl said: If the cowboys couldn't put together a competitive roster when Dak was making $1,000,000 a year, what makes you think the difference between $33mm and $35mm is going to matter? All the penny pinching armchair GMs on the internet would be the first to complain when Cooper Rush is slinging the old pigskin for America's team. Unlike Josh who had all those signature wins against playoff teams, right? Now we're getting to the bottom of your agenda... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Billl said: If the cowboys couldn't put together a competitive roster when Dak was making $1,000,000 a year, what makes you think the difference between $33mm and $35mm is going to matter? All the penny pinching armchair GMs on the internet would be the first to complain when Cooper Rush is slinging the old pigskin for America's team. Unlike Josh who had all those signature wins against playoff teams, right? You know what would be great? If Josh and Dak went head to head on National TV so that we could see which one of them looked like a franchise QB and which one ?the bed. Wait... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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