GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: He was awful against nearly every good team. That surely was on him. No he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It's cool...you can die on the Dak Prescott hill if you'd like. My team isn't gonna pay him so I'm good with it. It almost seems like you guys would love Dak on the Bills more than the guy we have now.It wasn't on Dak? Every Bills fan should hope that Allen turns out as good as Prescott or Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Billl said: Every Bills fan should hope that Allen turns out as good as Prescott or Cousins. I would be disappointed. I want my QB to elevate my teams play and deliver against the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Billl said: What do you think of Josh Allen? I love Josh Allen but I’m not making him the highest paid player either. As much as I love him, if he keeps throwing deepballs like he is throwing high school javalin then I’d have a hard time paying him the big bucks. He needs to continue to grow. If he isn’t improved before his payday it would also be a nightmare of a call. He seems to love being in Buffalo I hope he becomes great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: When it comes time to decide on paying him or not, we can have the same discussion. Right now he's still progressing What will you think if he throws for 10 more TDs, 1,800 more yards, and completes 65% of his passes next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: But the point is you should crater instead of toil in mediocrity. You seem to be content with competent QB play with little success. I'd rather tear it down and try again before investing in something that won't deliver a good return 5 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: Teddy Bridgewater ring a bell? You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now. Teams should crater, but they should also not settle for mediocrity. Cousins has been superior to both Teddy and Keemum, so didn’t they not settle for mediocrity by acquiring him? You called them a quality team, and with mediocre QBs they had some good seasons. Could a team as talented as they are lose 13 games and be in the top 2 to get a highly rated QB prospect? If Dallas lets Dak walk and goes 4-12 are they really that talented or was Dak better than you thought? So many contradictions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billl said: Every Bills fan should hope that Allen turns out as good as Prescott or Cousins. That’s wrong. He needs to be better than them both, that’s what we should hope for. Folks had this conversation shortly after he was drafted. The name it circled around was Stafford because of his contract. I said then that you need to be better than Stafford if you want the megabucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Billl said: What will you think if he throws for 10 more TDs, 1,800 more yards, and completes 65% of his passes next season? There are other factors as I've stated with Dak. If we were a 500 team where he failed to deliver against winning teams and put up lots of garbage time numbers, I'd be wary of paying him. And Allen also doesn't have the benefit of a loaded offensive roster, so that would also need to be taken into account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, CommonCents said: That’s wrong. He needs to be better than them both, that’s what we should hope for. Folks had this conversation shortly after he was drafted. The name it circled around was Stafford because of his contract. I said then that you need to be better than Stafford if you want the megabucks. I’ll preface this statement with the fact that I’m a Chiefs fan who placed a very large bet on the Bills to win more than 7 games this season (great job) and a smaller but still sizable wager on them to win the division outright (not as great). That’s why I started posting here in the first place. Somehow I seem to have been mistakenly pegged as a Ravens fan, but that’s neither here nor there. If Josh becomes anything close to Kirk or Dak, the Bills are going to win the division at least three times in the next five years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billl said: I’ll preface this statement with the fact that I’m a Chiefs fan who placed a very large bet on the Bills to win more than 7 games this season (great job) and a smaller but still sizable wager on them to win the division outright (not as great). That’s why I started posting here in the first place. Somehow I seem to have been mistakenly pegged as a Ravens fan, but that’s neither here nor there. If Josh becomes anything close to Kirk or Dak, the Bills are going to win the division at least three times in the next five years. And if his ceiling is Dak/Cousins they will be fodder for Mahomes and the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Okay, so when has a team franchised a QB and traded him to another team and gotten BETTER for it? WTF are you talking about .500. Dak is 40-24 as a starter, is that .500? The Tyrod comparison is laughable, HE was a .500 QB. Tyrod threw 14 TD his last season as a starter, Dak threw over twice that last season. You have embarrassed yourself. The Cowboys made the playoffs twice, and won in the playoffs in 4 seasons and you call it QB purgatory. The Bills went 17 years without a playoff APPEARANCE. THAT'S QB purgatory. The Redskins let Kirk Cousins go rather than pay him. Lots of folks thought he was overrated. But the Vikings have made the playoffs, won a playoff game, and gone 18-12-1 with Kirk. The Redskins have gone 10-22 since letting Cousins leave. Thank god they aren't paying a QB though, right?? It's like talking to people who haven't watched the NFL at all. Jesus. Well to be fair Cousins is very overrated in a lot of ways and is definitely not worth what the Vikings are paying him. Remember there was talk about the Vikings getting rid of him last year due to him being a disappointment in many’s Vikings fans eyes last year. Cousins to me is a stat guy and nothing more. Sure he’ll put up the nice stats and win during the regular season but when it’s playoff time he changes and becomes inconsistent Edited March 9, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Well to be fair Cousins is very overrated in a lot of ways and is definitely not worth what the Vikings are paying him. Remember there was talk about the Vikings getting rid of him last year due to him being a disappointment in many’s Vikings fans eyes last year. Cousins to me is a star guy and nothing more. Sure he’ll put up the nice stats and win during the regular season but when it’s playoff time he changes and becomes inconsistent And yet the Redskins have only been able to win 10 games since letting him walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Billl said: I can’t wait to see this place when Josh puts up 26 TDs, 12 INTs, and 3,700 yards next season. There’s going to be a civil war at TBD over his extension. Good problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Let it not be forgotten that Carr was also handsomely paid once upon a time. Its how the market works sometimes. The evil you know is better than the one you dont, and even marginal QBs seem attractive to franchises because it's better than not having one at all... This is too true- I hope our issue is trying to convince Josh to take a hometown discount not if he is worth 30+ million. 28 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: And yet the Redskins have only been able to win 10 games since letting him walk. True but they lost the big money QB they signed to a horrific injury so the plan is not as envisioned either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Ooooh somebody isn't going to be able to afford Leighton Vander Esch!... Trade for him immediately!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Augie said: Something is broken here. It seems like the next deal always has to set a new bar and be the highest deal. The better players deserve the bigger deals, it’s not just because it’s the most recent. I know the market moves, but......this has gotten CRAZY. You are misinterpreting the market. It only takes one of 32 teams that is desperate for a scarce resource (a franchise QB) to set the market - especially a market where at any time 1/8th -1/4th of the teams are bidding for the resource. And it only takes one GM to decide Dak is a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'd at least demand more than Goff (33.5 million per year, 110 million guaranteed). This deal pry gets done quickly if the Cowboys budge a little. Maybe put on some bonuses like the Eagles did with Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 13 hours ago, White Linen said: This is what's wrong with the NFL. Paying the highest salary because they're "next" but they're not the best at their position. I'm not sure it is "wrong" but if it is, all owners have to do is to not make the offer. No one is being forced to sign these contracts. The QB and his agents are simply getting what the market will bear. And really, does the "Jerry Jones is an idiot" theory really need further proof? It is an established theorem at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Will be interesting to see what Dallas does. Offering him less than Jared Goff just got isn't going to get it done but of course they always have the franchise tag at their disposal if need be. His price will only go up unless he takes a significant step back next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 This situation could play out like Kirk Cousins in Washington. Kirk killed them with that FT money in DC and wound up fleecing the Vikings for $84,000,000 worth of a fully guaranteed contract. He'll have made around $125,000,000 in 5 years between the Franchise Tags in DC and his Minny $$$. Dak could do the same to Dallas until they cave to his demands or they let him walk in FA. He holds ALL of the leverage right now imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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