apuszczalowski Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) So what was Allen's score in this event? 35 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yet, one was the MVP after winning a Heisman. I had them ranked the same coming out in the draft. But some of you love to pounce on Lamar and then blame everyone else but Allen for his shortcomings. Of course this is the same board that questions how good Mahomes is too. It's also one that thinks a 2 time SB winner & MVP who sits at 7th in career yards doesn't deserve to be in the HOF....... Edited January 24, 2020 by apuszczalowski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Fingon said: Does this mean he will suck in 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: This just tells me you didn't watch many of his games...if passing yards evidently mean so much to you. Tell me how many of Jackson's TDs came from inside the 10 yard line. Or inside the 5, even. Hypocrite. Great point. Tds inside the 10 yard don’t count. We need to update all players passing tds since some dude on a Bills board decided they don’t count. but yeah, the mvp of the league sucks because of this competition. I’m sold. Good thread. Of course we had like a 50 page thread laughing at Mahomes for throwing ints in a preseason practice before he went on to win the MVP so this shouldn’t be a surprise. Edited January 24, 2020 by C.Biscuit97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: Josh Allen has a big arm and can make all the throws. Lamar Jackson can't. I love JA, but he couldn't make the deep throws this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 It almost matches his Wonderlic score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well he certainly didn’t play good in the playoff game, he had 500 total yards and Baltimore was in Tennessee’s territory 9 times I believe. It’s not like they were shutting him down. Well unfortunately for him what works between the 30’s doesn’t often work inside the 30 when the field compressed as Daboll proved with our offense this year.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Man, that's brutal. It will be interesting to see next year when teams follow the Buffalo/Tennessee model and stack the box and make him try to beat you with throws outside. I expect that Lamar, like Allen, has his off-season worklist. The film is out there on weaknesses for both of them and it's time to rise up or wash out. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yet, one was the MVP after winning a Heisman. I had them ranked the same coming out in the draft. But some of you love to pounce on Lamar and then blame everyone else but Allen for his shortcomings. Of course this is the same board that questions how good Mahomes is too. Who doesn’t think Mahomes is good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, PIZ said: It almost matches his Wonderlic score. Wonderlic score really matters. Fitzpatrick for league MVP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Great point. Tds inside the 10 yard don’t count. We need to update all players passing tds since some dude on a Bills board decided they don’t count. but yeah, the mvp of the league sucks because of this competition. I’m sold. Good thread. Of course we had like a 50 page thread laughing at Mahomes for throwing ints in a preseason practice before he went on to win the MVP so this shouldn’t be a surprise. You said in the post I responded to something about yards, so I figured you cared about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wonderlic score really matters. Fitzpatrick for league MVP! Really it's only the super high or super low scores that matter. You want to at least get a 20 or better. Below that and it raises eyebrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Who doesn’t think Mahomes is good? No one. Some have questioned if Mahomes would be "as good" if he had been plopped in with the Bills offense last season instead of handed the keys to an established offensive system loaded with talent on OL and at skill positions that was #5 in the league the previous year. In this polarized world, that is seen as saying "Mahomes isn't good", because saying he wouldn't have had the same MVP season and looked all-world here with our surrounding cast is Just That Same Thing. 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Really it's only the super high or super low scores that matter. You want to at least get a 20 or better. Below that and it raises eyebrows. I think Harbaugh said "we're gonna talk to the guy and conduct our own assessment of his Football intelligence, you raise your eyebrows all you want, we don't care" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bermuda Triangle Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Who doesn’t think Mahomes is good? I think Senor Strawman posted that Mahomes wasn't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: People want to be right about him so bad! Um. No. People are right about him. He's a good athlete who can play well in a one read, open offense set up by an insanely good running game and great protection from the offensive line (assisted in Defenses unwillingness to actually rush him for fear of being beat). But when forced to pass, or playing from behind, he struggles throwing the football. He is inaccurate anywhere but across the middle, and even there he can struggle often times. It's okay to say he's one of the best athletes in the NFL (maybe ever) and had an insane, MVP season, but that he isn't a very good passer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well he certainly didn’t play good in the playoff game, he had 500 total yards and Baltimore was in Tennessee’s territory 9 times I believe. It’s not like they were shutting him down. Yep he had 508 yards of offense on almost 80 touches. He averaged less yards per play than Allen did in his playoff game (and Allen was in Houston territory 8 times on 55 total touches. You are correct, some people want to be so right about him.... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I think Senor Strawman posted that Mahomes wasn't good. I see that. It’s awful. The worst I have seen is some folks try and reason that Mahomes is SOOO good because of his weapons. Anyone being fair knows that Mahomes is great, they also know Lamar is nothing like Mahomes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I keep hearing about this accuracy thing. The days of Brady, P. Manning, Bree etc are disappearing. It about guys who make plays now and receivers who go up and let it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well he certainly didn’t play good in the playoff game, he had 500 total yards and Baltimore was in Tennessee’s territory 9 times I believe. It’s not like they were shutting him down. This really reveals the entire narrative about Lamar all year long. Stat box scouting. He did not play well against Tennessee. Period. He hurt his team consistently, and they lost hugely because of that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think Harbaugh said "we're gonna talk to the guy and conduct our own assessment of his Football intelligence, you raise your eyebrows all you want, we don't care" Having such a low score requires that you talk to him and make your own assessment. Obviously they did so and found that despite the low score, he was worth taking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Yep he had 508 yards of offense on almost 80 touches. He averaged less yards per play than Allen did in his playoff game (and Allen was in Houston territory 8 times on 55 total touches. You are correct, some people want to be so right about him.... my promise as a person who wasn’t sold on the Allen pick: if Allen wins the MVP, sets a franchise record with td passes, goes 14-2 with the best wins of any team in the nfl, loses in playoffs with 500 total yards, Yet struggles in a pro bowl event, I promise I will not say one negative thing about him all offseason. Because it is absolutely stupid. but to a bigger point. Why are so many people seeming to take pleasure in this? It seems people want him to fail. I have been a critic of Allen because of the prospect type he is (I had similar questions about Jackson). And while I’m far from sold on Allen, I saw some positive signs and want him to reach his potential. But it seems like people love watching young qbs fail. Maybe that’s just our society. But Lamar’s resume is better than like 85% of qb’s to ever play right now. Edited January 24, 2020 by C.Biscuit97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He just threw for more tds than any quarterback in Bills history. it’s kinda crazy the standards Bulls fans have for other teams quarterbacks yet they throw a party for 200 yards passing in gams. Why is it that we can't talk about Lamar Jackson or be critical of him? Doing so does not mean that we are comparing him to Josh Allen or other Bills QB's. YOU are the one who keeps coming back to that. And in case you haven't noticed, there is TONS of criticism for Josh Allen on these boards too. Some fans are even ready to move on from him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) That kid on youtube can make those throws from the second deck of a stadium. Maybe the Ravens will sign him. I'm trying to imagine caring that Lamar Jackson can't hit a spinning windmill following his 14-2 season. Edited January 24, 2020 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 He did better in this (after Wilson). This is also a pretty cool game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, MJS said: Why is it that we can't talk about Lamar Jackson or be critical of him? Doing so does not mean that we are comparing him to Josh Allen or other Bills QB's. YOU are the one who keeps coming back to that. And in case you haven't noticed, there is TONS of criticism for Josh Allen on these boards too. Some fans are even ready to move on from him. Because it’s a pro bowl event? Say if Jeter had a bad average in the all star game or a guy sucked in the homer run derby? What in the world would that matter? 2 minutes ago, Sundancer said: That kid on youtube can make those throws from the second deck of a stadium. Maybe the Ravens will sign him. Didn’t we have that trick shot qb? Trick shot qb >>> Jackson 26 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Who doesn’t think Mahomes is good? There was literally a 59 page thread about this on this board. There are still some posters earlier this year questioning how good he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because it’s a pro bowl event? Say if Jeter had a bad average in the all star game or a guy sucked in the homer run derby? What in the world would that matter? So why even bother responding with a defense of Jackson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, MJS said: Really it's only the super high or super low scores that matter. You want to at least get a 20 or better. Below that and it raises eyebrows. Stupid Jim Kelly and his 15 on the wonderlic. If only he could be as smart as Marino and his 16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because it’s a pro bowl event? Say if Jeter had a bad average in the all star game or a guy sucked in the homer run derby? What in the world would that matter? 90% of the comments aren't about his pro bowl event. It's about his play in general, his playoff games, etc. The pro bowl event was simply the catalyst for a larger conversation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: So why even bother responding with a defense of Jackson? Because it’s a message board and I’m killing time at work ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: my promise as a person who wasn’t sold on the Allen pick: if Allen wins the MVP, sets a franchise record with td passes, goes 14-2 with the best wins of any team in the nfl, loses in playoffs with 500 total yards, Yet struggles in a pro bowl event, I promise I will not say one negative thing about him all offseason. Because it is absolutely stupid. but to a bigger point. Why are so many people seeming to take pleasure in this? It seems people want him to fail. I have been a critic of Allen because of the prospect type he is (I had similar questions about Jackson). And while I’m far from sold on Allen, I saw some positive signs and want him to reach his potential. But it seems like people love watching young qbs fail. Maybe that’s just our society. But Lamar’s resume is better than like 85% of qb’s to ever play right now. I don’t care if he fails or not, he plays exactly how I feared. I said he can’t throw outside the numbers and that some of his attempts during college were laughably bad. A group of posters did the same thing. Heisman this, stats that, were you one of them prior to the draft? Did you acknowledge that his form, arm, and release uncorked wounded ducks the majority of the time he threw wide? I mean, you seem all about everyone being fair and impartial, I don’t care if he does well or not. He is who I thought he was so far. When he beat the Pats and danced in their faces I was a fan, is it ok that if he does well I will like him but I don’t think he will do well? 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because it’s a pro bowl event? Say if Jeter had a bad average in the all star game or a guy sucked in the homer run derby? What in the world would that matter? Didn’t we have that trick shot qb? Trick shot qb >>> Jackson There was literally a 59 page thread about this on this board. There are still some posters earlier this year questioning how good he was. Credible posters or week long stays who get banned for trolling? It’s the internet if someone credible isn’t saying it then it isn’t worth revisiting. People say anything for attention. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Stupid Jim Kelly and his 15 on the wonderlic. If only he could be as smart as Marino and his 16. Players weren't schooled up on it back then. Plus neither of those two QB's are known for being smart. Just great athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, MJS said: 90% of the comments aren't about his pro bowl event. It's about his play in general, his playoff games, etc. The pro bowl event was simply the catalyst for a larger conversation. So because of the Titans game, it outweighs all the good performances he had this year, including nearly beating both SB teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: my promise as a person who wasn’t sold on the Allen pick: if Allen wins the MVP, sets a franchise record with td passes, goes 14-2 with the best wins of any team in the nfl, loses in playoffs with 500 total yards, Yet struggles in a pro bowl event, I promise I will not say one negative thing about him all offseason. Because it is absolutely stupid, Oh please. You have been critical of Allen since before he ever set foot on an NFL field. The truth about Jackson is this: He is an incredible athlete. He played well mostly with a lead and on the back of an incredible run game (not just his running). Where he excelled this year is in TD production. Last year he had a TD% of 3.4 and this year he had a passing TD% of 9, putting him in rare company. I have no problem with him receiving the MVP. Personally, I would have gone with Wilson. However, that TD production masked some real issues with his passing game, which were exposed in the playoff game. We will see what he does next year. My guess is that his TD% drops back down to somewhere between 4 and 5. Given that he is on a Greg Roman offense, he will continue to throw the ball less than any other team. Roman's schemes are based on the run game. I have a hard time believing the team with the fewest pass attempts in the league will lead or be up at the top in passing TDs again. He could replicate it, but I doubt it as nobody ever has. You can delude yourself all you want about the yards he put up in the playoff game with 79 touches. The truth is, he didn't play well, particularly when he had to carry the team on his throwing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Who was the first person to bring up Josh Allen in a thread about Lamar Jackson? How is Allen relevant to this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: I don’t care if he fails or not, he plays exactly how I feared. I said he can’t throw outside the numbers and that some of his attempts during college were laughably bad. A group of posters did the same thing. Heisman this, stats that, were you one of them prior to the draft? Did you acknowledge that his form, arm, and release uncorked wounded ducks the majority of the time he threw wide? I mean, you seem all about everyone being fair and impartial, I don’t care if he does well or not. He is who I thought he was so far. When he beat the Pats and danced in their faces I was a fan, is it ok that if he does well I will like him but I don’t think he will do well? Credible posters or week long stays who get banned for trolling? It’s the internet if someone credible isn’t saying it then it isn’t worth revisiting. People say anything for attention. I wish I could find that thread. It was far more than just random Trolls. People wanted mahomes to fail so they could be right. And you thought Jackson would be MVP this year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: So because of the Titans game, it outweighs all the good performances he had this year, including nearly beating both SB teams? It's clear you are choosing to ignore 99% of what people are posting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Oh please. You have been critical of Allen since before he ever set foot on an NFL field. The truth about Jackson is this: He is an incredible athlete. He played well mostly with a lead and on the back of an incredible run game (not just his running). Where he excelled this year is in TD production. Last year he had a TD% of 3.4 and this year he had a passing TD% of 9, putting him in rare company. I have no problem with him receiving the MVP. Personally, I would have gone with Wilson. However, that TD production masked some real issues with his passing game, which were exposed in the playoff game. We will see what he does next year. My guess is that his TD% drops back down to somewhere between 4 and 5. Given that he is on a Greg Roman offense, he will continue to throw the ball less than any other team. Roman's schemes are based on the run game. I have a hard time believing the team with the fewest pass attempts in the league will lead or be up at the top in passing TDs again. He could replicate it, but I doubt it as nobody ever has. You can delude yourself all you want about the yards he put up in the playoff game with 79 touches. The truth is, he didn't play well, particularly when he had to carry the team on his throwing. You’re deflecting. I said if Allen performs close to a MVP level, I will be praising him instead of trying to put down his accomplishments like some are doing with Jackson. Shoot, I was ready to praise Allen for his first half against the Texans and then the second half happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Don't be critical of other quarterbacks! Only the Bills' quarterback should be criticized! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Don't be critical of other quarterbacks! Only the Bills' quarterback should be criticized! This is such a stupid thing to try and be critical of someone for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) This has almost as much importance as the Interceptions that Tyrod Taylor tossed during the actual game. Hell I didn't even bash Tyrod for those picks and I wanted him gone Edited January 24, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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