The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[ALF]

Trump claims White House can overrule FDA's attempt to toughen guidelines for coronavirus vaccine

 

In the meantime, the President's comments are sure to fuel new unease in a vaccine process that was already being greeted with skepticism by many Americans in polls.

 

A lack of trust in the program is a nightmare scenario, public health experts say, since a vaccine is the best hope of eventually ending the pandemic and restoring normal life.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/politics/trump-fda-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Trump claims White House can overrule FDA's attempt to toughen guidelines for coronavirus vaccine

 

Don't worry, he won't get political when it comes to Covid-19.

Edited September 24, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Don't worry, he won't get political when it comes to Covid-19.

So it's only science when you agree with it? 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

So it's only science when you agree with it? 

 

No.

 

It's science when done by scientists.

[Deranged Rhino]

Appeal to authority. Like a good little serf. 

[SoCal Deek]

27 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

No.

 

It's science when done by scientists.

Ha!  That's not how the country works. We aren't governed by a bunch of deep state 'science' priests. This isn't Iran.

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We aren't governed by a bunch of deep state 'science' priests. 

 

And with that, this thread jumped the shark. 

 

So long and thanks for all the fish. 

[whatdrought]

But whoever will share exclusively negative reports while pretending to be completely impartial?...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

But whoever will share exclusively negative reports while pretending to be completely impartial?...

 

...HINT: SoTier and his daily cut and paste stats listing.......his mastery of prose and thought provoking, invigorating discussions are PPP legendary....

[Tiberius]

60% say they won’t take first generation vaccine. Don’t trust Trump 

[B-Man]

 

Any vaccine that is released to the general public, will be one tested and approved by the FDA.

 

If you choose not to take it because of your President Trump distrust,

 

you expose yourself, not just to the virus, but as a fool also.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Trump Virus]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Any vaccine that is released to the general public, will be one tested and approved by the FDA.

 

If you choose not to take it because of your President Trump distrust,

 

you expose yourself, not just to the virus, but as a fool also.

 

 

 

 

 

I say hello! 

[fansince88]

25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

60% say they won’t take first generation vaccine. Don’t trust Trump 

Or perhaps they dont trust vaccines that have not been around a while. I will not be on the vaccine line the first time around and I plan on voting for him the next two terms

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Or perhaps they dont trust vaccines that have not been around a while. I will not be on the vaccine line the first time around and I plan on voting for him the next two terms

Trumps pushing it for a fast track approval, no wonder the trust in it is so low 

[fansince88]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Trumps pushing it for a fast track approval, no wonder the trust in it is so low 

The entire world is pushing for fast track approval dim wit.

[whatdrought]

35 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Any vaccine that is released to the general public, will be one tested and approved by the FDA.

 

If you choose not to take it because of your President Trump distrust,

 

you expose yourself, not just to the virus, but as a fool also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, I'm not gonna be lining up for the vaccine, but it isn't from lack of trusting Trump. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

47 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Or perhaps they dont trust vaccines that have not been around a while. I will not be on the vaccine line the first time around and I plan on voting for him the next two terms

Ditto

(and )

Edited September 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[fansince88]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Ditto

(and )

Expected his head to explode

 

[GG]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

Israel enters full 16-day lockdown on Friday

 

The government approved at dawn on Thursday, Sept. 24, a full national lockdown to rein in the soaring coronavirus contagion starting Friday, Sept. 25 up to Oct.11.

 

 Closure is to be universally applied, excepting only for people employed in essential services. The extreme measure, advocated by PM Binyamin Netanyahu when the number of new cases a day climbed past 7,000 and serious cases to 657, was finally endorsed by Defense Minister Benny Gantz who acknowledged there was no option. Overnight, there were another 10 deaths raising the total to 1,375.

 

In the end, prayer services and demonstrations alike are be restricted alike to 20 participants outdoors. Both chief rabbis ordered the closure of synagogues even on Yom Kippur the holiest day of the Jewish year, as well as the subsequent Succoth festival, for the sake of saving lives.

 

Anti-government protesters will be confined like the rest of the population to within 1km of their homes, thereby breaking up the unruly, mass outbreaks taking place weekly outside the prime minister’s residence in Jerusalem.

 

The international airport will be closed to outgoing flights. Food stores and pharmacies will stay open, while all other retail trade is shuttered like the schools. Public transport will be limited.

 

 After 16 days, the state of covid-19 infection will be assessed to determine if the lockdown is to be extended or lightened in careful stages,

 

https://www.debka.com/israel-enters-full-16-day-lockdown-on-friday/

 

Somehow I have a feeling the media may revisit the Hasids of Williamsburg cases, after a 6 month absence of stories.   Wonder why?

[BillStime]

When will the idiots realize Trump just uses them...?

 

 

[meazza]

6 hours ago, GG said:

 

Somehow I have a feeling the media may revisit the Hasids of Williamsburg cases, after a 6 month absence of stories.   Wonder why?

Israel is an outlier for me.  I fully expected them to have gotten through this unscathed but my nephew who works at a hospital in Tel Aviv tells me the Covid unit is swamped and they got hit hard back in March. 
 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

60% say they won’t take first generation vaccine. Don’t trust Trump 

 

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

Any vaccine that is released to the general public, will be one tested and approved by the FDA.

 

If you choose not to take it because of your President Trump distrust,

 

you expose yourself, not just to the virus, but as a fool also.

 

 

 

 

 

I won't get the vaccination, but it's not Trump that I distrust, it's the industry feeding him the info...

 

Also you are not a fool, it is your choice to do what you want when it comes to your health, in fact be my guest, have all my doses B-Man, you'll need more than one if you pay attention and take what the Pharm companies/Dr's say as gospel...

Edited September 25, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[ziltoid]

5 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

 

I won't get the vaccination, but it's not Trump that I distrust, it's the industry feeding him the info...

 

Also you are not a fool, it is your choice to do what you want when it comes to your health, in fact be my guest, have all my doses B-Man, you'll need more than one if you pay attention and take what the Pharm companies/Dr's say as gospel...

Not anymore, it's vaccine or be shut out of everything, you'll see.

[Reality Check]

1 hour ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Not anymore, it's vaccine or be shut out of everything, you'll see.

False.

[SoCal Deek]

I listened to a radio interview with one of the top guys at HHS last week. It was fascinating. Did you know they already have about 200 million doses of the vaccines produced, stockpiled, and ready for deployment? They’re waiting for FDA approval on the trials. The federal government authorized the production out ahead of approval in order to speed up deployment. They’ll need about 700 million doses since some of the product is a booster shot and a second dose. They’ll have that by February. And....the strategy is to give it to the vulnerable population first, before you’ll ever need to stand in a line. 

[spartacus]

15 hours ago, Tiberius said:

60% say they won’t take first generation vaccine. Don’t trust Trump 

or maybe, a vaccine is not needed for a sickness where 99.5% recover

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I listened to a radio interview with one of the top guys at HHS last week. It was fascinating. Did you know they already have about 200 million doses of the vaccines produced, stockpiled, and ready for deployment? They’re waiting for FDA approval on the trials. The federal government authorized the production out ahead of approval in order to speed up deployment. They’ll need about 700 million doses since some of the product is a booster shot and a second dose. They’ll have that by February. And....the strategy is to give it to the vulnerable population first, before you’ll ever need to stand in a line. 

they developed the vaccine at the same time they developed the virus

[GG]

4 minutes ago, spartacus said:

or maybe, a vaccine is not needed for a sickness where 99.5% recover

they developed the vaccine at the same time they developed the virus

 

In what world do you develop a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in 4 months?

[Gary M]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

In what world do you develop a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in 4 months?

 

Trump world.

 

From what I've hear the development is not the lengthy part, setting up distribution is. In this case they have been doing them in tandem to streamline and shorten the time.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Gary M

[Alaska Darin]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

In what world do you develop a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in 4 months?

The one where they've had access to SARS-Covid 1 for years and the two are like almost 80% similar.

[GG]

Just now, Alaska Darin said:

The one where they've had access to SARS-Covid 1 for years and the two are like almost 80% similar.

 

Is there a SARS-1 vaccine?

[Reality Check]

12 minutes ago, spartacus said:

or maybe, a vaccine is not needed for a sickness where 99.5% recover

they developed the vaccine at the same time they developed the virus

True story. 

[SoCal Deek]

29 minutes ago, GG said:

 

In what world do you develop a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in 4 months?

It’s called SCIENCE!! There are actually six companies working on vaccines. They may ultimately roll out all six, or the FDA may only approve two or three of them. Trump isn’t making the vaccine, people! It’s being made by SCIENTISTS! Geez the stupidity is growing daily around here. I’m glad we’re not trying to get to the moon. Even JFK would’ve rolled his eyes at the Left Wing Mob.

[GG]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s called SCIENCE!! There are actually six companies working on vaccines. They may ultimately roll out all six, or the FDA may only approve two or three of them. Trump isn’t making the vaccine, people! It’s being made by SCIENTISTS! Geez the stupidity is growing daily around here. I’m glad we’re not trying to get to the moon. Even JFK would’ve rolled his eyes at the Left Wing Mob.

 

SCIENCE doesn't bend time (unless you are Greggy)

 

Enlighten me how you go from starting the work on a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in March to having 200 million doses stockpiled in a warehouse in September?

[Reality Check]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s called SCIENCE!! There are actually six companies working on vaccines. They may ultimately roll out all six, or the FDA may only approve two or three of them. Trump isn’t making the vaccine, people! It’s being made by SCIENTISTS! Geez the stupidity is growing daily around here. I’m glad we’re not trying to get to the moon. Even JFK would’ve rolled his eyes at the Left Wing Mob.

Good, it's settled then. You first...

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

SCIENCE doesn't bend time (unless you are Greggy)

 

Enlighten me how you go from starting the work on a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in March to having 200 million doses stockpiled in a warehouse in September?

Are you in the manufacturing business? Don’t be an idiot! We’ve made millions and millions of masks. We’ve made a hundred million test kits. I’m quoting facts. You’re just invoking conspiracy theories. 

[BillsFanNC]

Just now, GG said:

 

SCIENCE doesn't bend time (unless you are Greggy)

 

Enlighten me how you go from starting the work on a vaccine for a novel coronavirus in March to having 200 million doses stockpiled in a warehouse in September?

 

Cutting back regulatory red tape. Typically they do the all the upfront science before committing to manufacturing,  here they did the development and manufacturing in parallel. The actual science required to drop in a vaccine target and develop a working vaccine isn't the rate limiting step, especially when its an all hands on deck situation, its the regulatory bureaucracy red tape that is. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

Good, it's settled then. You first...

I’m not ‘quite’ old enough, nor do I have the pre existing conditions that would have me in the initial deployment. 

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not ‘quite’ old enough, nor do I have the pre existing conditions that would have me in the initial deployment. 

That's the spirit.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, BillsFanNC said:

 

Cutting back regulatory red tape. Typically they do the all the upfront science before committing to manufacturing,  here they did the development and manufacturing in parallel. The actual science required to drop in a vaccine target and develop a working vaccine isn't the rate limiting step, especially when its an all hands on deck situation, its the regulatory bureaucracy red tape that is. 

Correct! The HHS official said that they directed them to start production. If the vaccine doesn’t get FDA approval, they’ll throw out the stockpile. The investment wasn’t that significant in the bigger picture.

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

That's the spirit.

Once again, we try to have an actual conversation about an interesting element of the pandemic story....and it becomes littered with childish jabs and nonsense 

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Correct! The HHS official said that they directed them to start production. If the vaccine doesn’t get FDA approval, they’ll throw out the stockpile. The investment wasn’t that significant in the bigger picture.

Once again, we try to have an actual conversation about an interesting element of the pandemic story....and it becomes littered with childish jabs and nonsense 

Sorry Deek, but you overestimate the quality of said "conversation" to begin with. Anyone who wants to take the shot when it becomes available should do so. I will wait and watch while this global social experiment plays out to its conclusion.