Gene Frenkle Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dante said: Don't take everything literally. It was a bit of sarcasm. Please Ok man. All good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said:  Yeah, if you go by national data, most hospitals are quiet. NYC metro, not so much. Right, no argument there. As I said, that's where my friends are headed. It's definitely the exception and not the rule though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020  This is why any talk of "18 months" is pure fantasy. People will not tolerate it for much longer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:  If what he claims actually happened there would be factual documented cases of it.  Your just not looking so you can claim ignorance  https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cinga said:  Your just not looking so you can claim ignorance  https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud  Can you link the ballot harvesting cases in California? They don't exist on this website. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 In PA, inpatient hospitalization as a result of the virus is low.  It's not being readily broadcast because people are idiots and many would blindly assume the crisis is all over and do all sorts of stupid things to erase the progress that's been made. Despite the media's absolute thirst for the bad news, some states are indeed beginning to turn the corner.   Delaware hospitalizations are low as well. Ohio and Maryland hospitalizations are a little higher. NY and NJ are obviously considerably higher.    2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: Â The media doesn't lie man. I think you might be a conspiracy nut job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Right, no argument there. As I said, that's where my friends are headed. It's definitely the exception and not the rule though.  Think of it more as a cautionary tale, not the exception.  One month ago, NY had less than 200 cases.  The US isn't as dense as NYC, but if you look at the general health of the rest of the US, if this keeps moving across the country the death rate will be very high because this virus loves heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said:  Think of it more as a cautionary tale, not the exception.  One month ago, NY had less than 200 cases.  The US isn't as dense as NYC, but if you look at the general health of the rest of the US, if this keeps moving across the country the death rate will be very high because this virus loves heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Did you just call America fat? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:  This is why any talk of "18 months" is pure fantasy. People will not tolerate it for much longer. Not only that it's ridiculous as all hell trying to predict out what's going to go down with this situation in 18 months...Anyone saying this is just spreading fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Did you just call America fat? You don't need to be fat to have diabetes and heart disease. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:  This is why any talk of "18 months" is pure fantasy. People will not tolerate it for much longer.  IMO, we're on borrowed time after Easter on the eastern seaboard. The government has really ratcheted up that pressure here in PA - they've closed the liquor stores, closed parks and trails, and in Philly, they even removed the basketball rims.  That's on top of weeks without work, school and pay.  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GG said:  Think of it more as a cautionary tale, not the exception.  One month ago, NY had less than 200 cases.  The US isn't as dense as NYC, but if you look at the general health of the rest of the US, if this keeps moving across the country the death rate will be very high because this virus loves heart disease, obesity and diabetes. I guess it like infant death as well due to suffocation.  Politicizing/fear mongering using this is as low as it gets. Now what would possess a man (Lamont) to hop on this so quickly without carefully verifying it? He's liar perhaps? Throw fuel on the fire? Baby dying because the poor thing was breathed or coughed on?  https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/candace-owens-ct-governor-lied-about-infant-dying-from-the-coronavirus/ Edited April 8, 2020 by Dante 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, GG said:  Think of it more as a cautionary tale, not the exception.  One month ago, NY had less than 200 cases.  The US isn't as dense as NYC, but if you look at the general health of the rest of the US, if this keeps moving across the country the death rate will be very high because this virus loves heart disease, obesity and diabetes. Population density is only one piece of it. I understand what you're saying, but it's definitely the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Dante said: I guess it like infant death as well due to suffocation. Â Politicizing/fear mongering using this is as low as it gets. Â https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/candace-owens-ct-governor-lied-about-infant-dying-from-the-coronavirus/ Â Does this anecdote prove that there isn't a crisis in NYC metro area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: You don't need to be fat to have diabetes and heart disease. Obesity tho...and those other two certainly are more prevalent in obese people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Population density is only one piece of it. I understand what you're saying, but it's definitely the exception.  Lombardy was considered a pure disaster and it isn't as dense as NYC. That's why NY is running about double on a per 1K basis compared to Lombardy or Madrid.  So do your math based on those places with lower density, but more vulnerable population. NYC has higher infection rates, but much lower death rates - 4% compared to 8%.  The rest of US will probably be closer to Italy & Spain in infections and deaths, which is scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:  Do you have any proof or documentation on how this is happening and to what extent?  See DR's links. Start with the SF Chronicle to save you the trouble of dismissing messengers.  Move to harvest balloting and the country turns into CA, where you vote means nothing until the people in charge of the state decide it does.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Obesity tho...and those other two certainly are more prevalent in obese people. Â There's definitely a correlation, but heart disease is the #1 contributory factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Did you just call America fat? Most of us live in or near a city known for chicken wings and blue cheese. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, GG said:  Does this anecdote prove that there isn't a crisis in NYC metro area? Maybe not but it's just more evidence of deception that's all. Hey man if you chose to believe this I can't blame you. I would never mock you or anyone else for doing so. The media saturation for this is overwhelming and persistent. It's all about perception. I look at the people who are telling me to be afraid and contrast it to what I see and what other people see and say that I have no reason to distrust. This is the only way I can articulate it. If that makes me a nut job, well so be it. I know one thing. I''m no more afraid of this than any other flu. I am afraid of the aftermath. That's the only thing people should be fearing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Dante said: Thousands dying everywhere and these aholes still have time to fit this in their hectic, overworked sked.   From the comments:  Raul Garcia 1 week ago 34 dislikes are the patients waiting to get attended ?  19     E Lowe 3 days ago No more like 50 dislikes are from people that actually do their jobs like myself who deliver gowns, scrubs and gloves everyday to hospitals. I don't have time to slack off.  3     Vera Wallace 18 hours ago What are you insinuating, that they don't do their job, there is A thing called break      E Lowe 17 hours ago @Vera Wallace I dont take a break. Hospitals need ppe and I get it to them asap.      Vera Wallace 16 hours ago @E Lowe God bless you and all heath health workers, am a little bias ,because my daughter also works in the hospital      Chris Hayes 7 hours ago Where's the pandemic? Empty hospital and time for choreography?   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Â 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, GG said: So do your math based on those places with lower density, but more vulnerable population. NYC has higher infection rates, but much lower death rates - 4% compared to 8%.  The rest of US will probably be closer to Italy & Spain in infections and deaths, which is scary. I see nothing to support that conclusion. Are you talking raw numbers? Mortality rate? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, GG said:  more vulnerable population. NYC has higher infection rates, but much lower death rates - 4% compared to 8%.  The rest of US will probably be closer to Italy & Spain in infections and deaths, which is scary.   That's not the case...By a long shot. I have crunched the numbers 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 We're now up to 500 Benghazi's happening every single day and rising. I wonder how many investigations there will be into the administration in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dante said: Maybe not but it's just more evidence of deception that's all. Hey man if you chose to believe this I can't blame you. I would never mock you or anyone else for doing so. The media saturation for this is overwhelming and persistent. It's all about perception. I look at the people who are telling me to be afraid and contrast it to what I see and what other people see and say that I have no reason to distrust. This is the only way I can articulate it. If that makes me a nut job, well so be it. I know one thing. I''m no more afraid of this than any other flu. I am afraid of the aftermath. That's the only thing people should be fearing.  There's science and there's human behavior.  The science part of this says that there's a highly contagious and deadly disease for which there's no real cure. You can slow it a bit, but you can't stop it until there's a treatment and vaccine. Don't think you're insulated because California's climate is helping to slow the speed of the spread.  2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I see nothing to support that conclusion. Are you talking raw numbers? Mortality rate?  My assumption of the mortality rate if this starts to spread more braodly. The spread slowed down bigly with the shutdowns, but will likely resume once activity picks up and there's more interpersonal contact. When that happens, the outlook for US mortality will be grim. That's why people will need to change a lot of their old habits. 5 minutes ago, Magox said:   That's not the case...By a long shot. I have crunched the numbers  Did you take the proportion of the US population that has at least 2 of the key contributing factors?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Â Can you link the ballot harvesting cases in California? They don't exist on this website. Â See? You are indeed just claiming ignorance even if lead to the trough. If you would have taken a second to scroll down you could click on the state, and California has PAGES of cases! Â But then, clicking takes too much effort doesn't it? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) Population of the United states is about 327 Million. Population of New York and New Jersey is about 28 million.  Population of US without High Infection zone is roughly about 300 Million.  149k infections NY 47 K infections NJ  Total infections = 196k    Infections for all 50 states is approximately 420k  Subtract NY and NJ, the rest of the US has about 224k  If you extrapolate the infection rate for NY and NJ and calculate it on a per capita basis, NY and NJ have a X 9 higher ratio....In other words 900% higher infection rate per capita than the rest of the U.S.  And if you were to take out the NY metro area, the numbers become much more daunting than that.   In regards to fatalities it's even worse.  NY has 6200 fatalities NJ has 1500 fatalities Total of 7700 fatalities in NY/NJ area  The entire US has 14300 fatalities.  Rest of the country has 6600 fatalities  There are more fatalities in NY and NJ than there are in the entire rest of the country.  Meaning that the mortality rate is significantly lower in the rest of the country than it is in the NY/NJ area.  Those are the facts.  No denying it  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Edited April 8, 2020 by Magox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, GG said: My assumption of the mortality rate if this starts to spread more braodly. The spread slowed down bigly with the shutdowns, but will likely resume once activity picks up and there's more interpersonal contact. When that happens, the outlook for US mortality will be grim. That's why people will need to change a lot of their old habits. So you think the mortality rate, which is highly flawed right now anyway, is going to quadruple? Why? We certainly have a larger population, but we also have very good capacity to accommodate. Our pace is more comparable to Germany than either Italy or Spain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Population of the United states is about 327 Million. Population of New York and New Jersey is about 28 million.  Population of US without High Infection zone is roughly about 300 Million.  149k infections NY 47 K infections NJ  Total infections = 196k    Infections for the other 48 states is approximately 420k  Subtract NY and NJ, the rest of the US has about 224k  If you extrapolate the infection rate for NY and NJ and calculate it on a per capita basis, NY and NJ have a X 9 higher ration....In other words 900% higher infection rate per capita than the rest of the U.S.  And if you were to take out the NY metro area, the numbers become much more daunting than that.   In regards to fatalities it's even worse.  NY has 6200 fatalities NJ has 1500 fatalities Total of 7700 fatalities in NY/NJ area  The entire US has 14300 fatalities.  Rest of the country has 6600 fatalities  There are more fatalities in NY and NJ than there are in the entire rest of the country.  Meaning that the mortality rate is significantly lower in the rest of the country than it is in the NY/NJ area.  Those are the facts.  No denying it  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/  I'm not arguing today's stats. I'm projecting what will happen if this thing spreads across the country and starts hitting areas that are generally older and not as healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Justice said: SMDH at the right and left arguing over this pandemic. Step away one sec and you might see that Trump did a horrible job and the left wouldn’t have done any better. too ***** funny you are.  i'll tell what is worth shaking your damn head at... you complaining about politics being involved in the discussion and then.... wait for it.... making a political argument.  i swear ..... 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, GG said:  I'm not arguing today's stats. I'm projecting what will happen if this thing spreads across the country and starts hitting areas that are generally older and not as healthy. You think NYC is healthy? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GG said:  I'm not arguing today's stats. I'm projecting what will happen if this thing spreads across the country and starts hitting areas that are generally older and not as healthy.  Well if you were to transport Southern African Americans to New York and they were all huddled up together in the city you'd be closer to being right.  But that isn't going to happen. And I will go out on a limb to say that won't end up being the case. Maybe you have a certain particular area such as New Orleans where that could happen but that isn't what you said. You said the rest of the country will be like Italy and Spain. Keep in mind, that 900% lesser infection and death rate on a per capita basis was relative to NY and NJ.  In order for it to be like Italy and Spain, then the infection and death rate on a per capita basis for the rest of the country to catch up to those European countries woulld have to increase at about 1700% rate. That's not going to happen GG. Edited April 8, 2020 by Magox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, GG said:  I'm not arguing today's stats. I'm projecting what will happen if this thing spreads across the country and starts hitting areas that are generally older and not as healthy. Sounds like your view or model has changed on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So you think the mortality rate, which is highly flawed right now anyway, is going to quadruple? Why? We certainly have a larger population, but we also have very good capacity to accommodate. Our pace is more comparable to Germany than either Italy or Spain.  It won't quadruple - USA's rate is up to 3.5% already, as NY is closer to 4.25%.  Our ability to accommodate is not as important as the underlying health & demographics of the population. That's why Germany is doing better than the suth  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I do enjoy the contributions of the death cheerleaders. They are an odd bunch of posters. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, ScotSHO said: I do enjoy the contributions of the death cheerleaders. They are an odd bunch of posters.  Who the ***** is cheerleading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said:  It won't quadruple - USA's rate is up to 3.5% already, as NY is closer to 4.25%.  Our ability to accommodate is not as important as the underlying health & demographics of the population. That's why Germany is doing better than the suth  Did you miss where "with" has become "from"?  1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, TPS said: Sounds like your view or model has changed on this?  Pushed off by a week. I optimistically hoped that NYC took Cuomo's advice to heart back on March 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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