The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Justice said:

You’re absolutely right. I see all of your points of views and appreciate and respect them. 
 

Here’s my take and this describes me as a father, husband and friend to all that know me. I will never do anything to put my loved ones lives in jeopardy. When/if this all ends I will know I did my best to keep them safe. 
 

Also to those of you that mention the people that have died defending our rights. I can imagine, if they were here today, they’d be equally as split on this subject as we all are right now as a nation. 

 

I understand the desire to protect your loved ones above all else, truly and appreciate the discussion.  

 

My point is not to downplay that, but to acknowledge that we (as a people) are going to be co-existing with this virus for the rest of our lives. It's not going away. There's a way to move forward safely (through education, hygiene, and eventually vaccines/improved therapeutics), but it's going to require bravery on the part of the people. If we aren't brave now, we run the risk of losing more than the virus itself can take from us. That doesn't mean we should rush haphazardly, but we also shouldn't be overly afraid to the point of being paralyzed. 

[reddogblitz]

44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's simple. I go to your door and claim to be a DNC affiliate. I ask for your ballot and say I'll mail it in for you (because you're unable to do so yourself due to age/lack of mobility/et al) -- but instead of mailing your ballot, I toss it because you come from a GOP heavy neighborhood... or better yet, I falsify your ballot and mail my own instead. 

 

It happened in DROVES in CA in 2018.  

 

People in California are idiots then.  I would NEVER give my ballot to anyone to mail.  It is pre paid postage.  Besides I take mine to the the drop box to avoid this.

 

As far as ballots being lost, as we know from 2000, ballots get thrown out anyway.  Ever heard of ballot box 13?

 

And, mail in has a paper trail which many state's voting systems do not have.

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Dante said:

A bit of sarcasm. How could they have time for choreography when their hospital is a virtual war zone? 

A couple of weeks ago I experienced pain in my chest and left arm. Thought I was having a heart attack. I went to the ER to get checked. Thankfully everything turned out fine. But I will say this. The hospital was a complete ghost town. They had a tent set up out front to check for the virus before entering and nobody, outside myself, was there. 

[Gene Frenkle]

Just now, Dante said:

A bit of sarcasm. How could they have time for choreography when their hospital is a virtual war zone? 

They are people, under immense stress, on the front lines, putting their lives at risk while the rest of us sit at home and wait for it all to end. Who the hell are you to judge them?

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

But this is literally some dude's theory? Or is it based on actual research?

 

It's based on research.  They've tried it with HIV, which works in a similar way.

 

7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I'm not certain, but that's the rumor. Trump called and made the suggestion with his team Monday or Tuesday. Which is right around when he started making a turn, hence the speculation. 

 

I don't see why they wouldn't have.  There's no other treatment.

6 minutes ago, Justice said:

I know two people that have it. One is on his way to recovery. The other isn’t looking promising at all. 

 

Is the one not doing well on HCQ and zinc?

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

 

People in California are idiots then.  I would NEVER give my ballot to anyone to mail.  It is pre paid postage.  Besides I take mine to the the drop box to avoid this.

 

As far as ballots being lost, as we know from 2000, ballots get thrown out anyway.  Ever heard of ballot box 13?

 

And, mail in has a paper trail which many state's voting systems do not have.

 

If what he claims actually happened there would be factual documented cases of it.

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

It's based on research.  They've tried it with HIV, which works in a similar way.

 

 

I don't see why they wouldn't have.  There's no other treatment.

 

Is the one not doing well on HCQ and zinc?

Your a doctor? I'm pretty sure you are.

 

If so, is this in your wheelhouse? What's your professional opinion on it if you don't mind sharing?

[Justice]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

It's based on research.  They've tried it with HIV, which works in a similar way.

 

 

I don't see why they wouldn't have.  There's no other treatment.

 

Is the one not doing well on HCQ and zinc?

 No. My friend, whose dad is the one that’s ill, recorded a conversation with the nurse that’s handling the patient. She never mentioned that. She also said only one person survived under their care. I didn’t ask which hospital they went to. It’s in Buffalo. 

[Dante]

9 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

They are people, under immense stress, on the front lines, putting their lives at risk while the rest of us sit at home and wait for it all to end. Who the hell are you to judge them?

Because the hospitals are empty. No stress. No danger other than the usual. so there is no exceptional risk. Hence it's deception and these people are complicit.

All the trusted reporting (from regular citizens out in the field with their cell phones) have shown a reality much different from the narritive presented to us from known and proven liars, the MSM. 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Dante

[reddogblitz]

44 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Washington and Oregon are Dem strongholds. Like CA. Because of Ballot Harvesting. Which is why you see such a high percent of people voting.

 

 

Do you have any proof or documentation on how this is happening and to what extent?

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Your a doctor? I'm pretty sure you are.

 

If so, is this in your wheelhouse? What's your professional opinion on it if you don't mind sharing?

 

Yes, anesthesiologist.  Not my wheelhouse per se, but I keep up on things. 

 

Basically and in a nut shell, it has helped people and in the absence of any other treatment, it's worth putting someone on if they're getting worse.  The talk about side effects is overblown political BS since this drug is used by tens to hundreds of millions of people daily and side effects were never an issue before.  It's not a magic bullet, but if you can even save one person, it's worth it.

 

4 minutes ago, Justice said:

 No. My friend, whose dad is the one that’s ill, recorded a conversation with the nurse that’s handling the patient. She never mentioned that. She also said only one person survived under their care. I didn’t ask which hospital they went to. It’s in Buffalo. 

 

You need to recommend it to them STAT.  Again there is no other treatment and things sound like they're getting worse.

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Do you have any proof or documentation on how this is happening and to what extent?

 

A smattering of articles on the topic: 

https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2019/02/10/the-stupidity-of-ballot-harvesting-and-how-it-steals-elections-n2540993

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-late-votes-broke-big-for-13432727.php

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ballot-harvesting-bounty-how-dems-used-election-law-change-to-rout-california-republicans

https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2019/12/16/cagop-must-embrace-ballot-harvesting-push-reforms-survive-2020/

[Gene Frenkle]

2 minutes ago, Dante said:

Because the hospitals are empty. No stress. Hence it's deception and these people are complicit.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time trusting your judgement on this. Following up "zero verifiable deaths" with "zero full hospitals" makes it seem like you need to diversify your sources of information. I don't want to sound like more of an a-hole than necessary here.

[mannc]

39 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I thought the projections at the start were 2 million people dead here.....

Remember when 100,000 to 240,000 dead was “best case scenario”?  A week ago.  Now the most influential model is projecting 60,000, and I’m sure that will be revised downward again.  
 

Time to re-open the country folks (or most of it, anyway).  

Oh, and by the way, there is zero evidence that shelter in place policies reduce the harm from the virus.  At most, they delay the societal acquisition of herd immunity, thus assuring that the virus will hang around longer.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[meazza]

@Deranged Rhino I’m curious to know in case you haven’t expressed it why you believe that this is being hyped? Have you heard of complete nursing homes being completely decimated by this ?  
 

Have you seen how my home country in which nursing homes also have people dying as the employees themselves are too sick to work and the people living there have no one to care for them ?

 

Why do you continue to downplay this ?

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Yes, anesthesiologist.  Not my wheelhouse per se, but I keep up on things. 

 

Basically and in a nut shell, it has helped people and in the absence of any other treatment, it's worth putting someone on if they're getting worse.  The talk about side effects is overblown political BS since this drug is used by tens to hundreds of millions of people daily and side effects were never an issue before.  It's not a magic bullet, but if you can even save one person, it's worth it.

 

 

You need to recommend it to them STAT.  Again there is no other treatment and things sound like they're getting worse.

Agree that the side effects are overblown because of low risk percentages. I'm in the camp that if it works, great. Do you think it should be given prevntatively or just to patients in trouble?

 

Back to dude's theory: do you think it's likely, holds promise, is being looked at, should be investigated?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Just now, meazza said:

@Deranged Rhino I’m curious to know in case you haven’t expressed it why you believe that this is being hyped? Have you heard of complete nursing homes being completely decimated by this ?  
 

Have you seen how my home country in which nursing homes also have people dying as the employees themselves are too sick to work and the people living there have no one to care for them ?

 

Why do you continue to downplay this ?

 

Where am I downplaying this? 

 

Not surrendering to fear is not the same as downplaying. Fear kills. 

(especially in times of crisis)

[GG]

12 minutes ago, Dante said:

Because the hospitals are empty. No stress. No danger other than the usual. so there is no exceptional risk. Hence it's deception and these people are complicit.

All the trusted reporting (from regular citizens out in the field with their cell phones) have shown a reality much different from the narritive presented to us from known and proven liars, the MSM. 

 

 

Hospitals are empty where?

[Dante]

1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Honestly, I'm having a hard time trusting your judgement on this. Following up "zero verifiable deaths" with "zero full hospitals" makes it seem like you need to diversify your sources of information. I don't want to sound like more of an a-hole than necessary here.

Honestly I don't need any more info. Other than hiring some operatives to do recon inside hospitals. I see hospitals calm, underpopulated. Their staff happily dancing in the street. No one in my circle with even a hint of illness. Couple that with a extensive history of lying by our government supported by their propaganda arm MSM,  I have pretty much all I need to come to the conclusion it's the flu re marketed as fear porn. 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Where am I downplaying this? 

 

Not surrendering to fear is not the same as downplaying. Fear kills. 

(especially in times of crisis)

By criticizing the methods taken into stemming the outbreak and the need for a vaccine.  

[Dante]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Hospitals are empty where?

Worldwide 

https://www.filmyourhospital.com/

[meazza]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Hospitals are empty where?

I guess he doesn’t have many friends who are nurses.

[Q-baby!]

Just now, Dante said:

Honestly I don't need any more info. Other than hiring some operatives to do recon inside hospitals. I see hospitals calm, underpopulated. Their staff happily dancing in the street. No one in my circle with even a hint of illness. Couple that with a extensive history of lying by our government supported by their propaganda arm MSM,  I have pretty much all I need to come to the conclusion it's the flu re marketed as fear porn. 

Nutbar alert!! ?

[Dante]

Just now, meazza said:

I guess he doesn’t have many friends who are nurses.

I actually have two. To be transparent they are both in Hamilton, Ont so not a lot I know. Both reporting its a big nothing burger.

[Gene Frenkle]

3 minutes ago, Dante said:

Honestly I don't need any more info. Other than hiring some operatives to do recon inside hospitals. I see hospitals calm, underpopulated. Their staff happily dancing in the street. No one in my circle with even a hint of illness. Couple that with a extensive history of lying by our government supported by their propaganda arm MSM,  I have pretty much all I need to come to the conclusion it's the flu re marketed as fear porn. 

Jesus Christ

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, meazza said:

By criticizing the methods taken into stemming the outbreak and the need for a vaccine.  

 

Disagreeing about remedies isn't downplaying, it's debating. I've been following the guidelines longer than most on the board I'd be willing to bet (been on lock down since the 12th). I wouldn't be doing that if I were downplaying the virus's impact.

 

Where I draw the line is the talk of ideas which have no hope of fighting the virus and every hope of taking away our civil rights and liberties in exchange for empty promises. I won't be party to that kind of fear mongering. It serves no one's purposes but the actual enemies of this country (and humanity itself), of which there are plenty. 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Dante said:

I actually have two. To be transparent they are both in Hamilton, Ont so not a lot I know. Both reporting its a big nothing burger.

Hamilton isn’t a big metropolis.  I have friends who work and manage hospitals and this is their war.

[Gene Frenkle]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

I guess he doesn’t have many friends who are nurses.

Just operatives, apparently.

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

Hospitals are empty where?

I'd say most are same as usual or less. Obviously in hotspots like the NYC area they are heavily populated. I've got 6 friends in nursing here in the DC area, all of them are going to NJ or NYC because the need is much greater there.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Disagreeing about remedies isn't downplaying, it's debating. I've been following the guidelines longer than most on the board I'd be willing to bet (been on lock down since the 12th). I wouldn't be doing that if I were downplaying the virus's impact.

 

Where I draw the line is the talk of ideas which have no hope of fighting the virus and every hope of taking away our civil rights and liberties in exchange for empty promises. I won't be party to that kind of fear mongering. It serves no one's purposes but the actual enemies of this country (and humanity itself), of which there are plenty. 

 

Great post. Same thing trying to do as well.

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Dante said:

I actually have two. To be transparent they are both in Hamilton, Ont so not a lot I know. Both reporting its a big nothing burger.

 

Know anyone in NY tristate area, because it's certainly not overblown here.  Unless, Cuomo and Diblasio felt like grabbing thousands of random people, throwing them into hospitals and then killing them.

 

This is the same thing when everyone was doubting what was happening in Lombardy, while southern Italy was calm.

[Doc Brown]

 

6 minutes ago, Dante said:

Honestly I don't need any more info. Other than hiring some operatives to do recon inside hospitals. I see hospitals calm, underpopulated. Their staff happily dancing in the street. No one in my circle with even a hint of illness. Couple that with a extensive history of lying by our government supported by their propaganda arm MSM,  I have pretty much all I need to come to the conclusion it's the flu re marketed as fear porn. 

 

 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I'd say most are same as usual or less. Obviously in hotspots like the NYC area they are heavily populated. I've got 6 friends in nursing here in the DC area, all of them are going to NJ or NYC because the need is much greater there.

 

Yeah, if you go by national data, most hospitals are quiet.  NYC metro, not so much.

[Gene Frenkle]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Know anyone in NY tristate area, because it's certainly not overblown here.  Unless, Cuomo and Diblasio felt like grabbing thousands of random people, throwing them into hospitals and then killing them.

 

This is the same thing when everyone was doubting what was happening in Lombardy, while southern Italy was calm.

Careful, you may have just spawned a new conspiracy theory.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Gene Frenkle

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Agree that the side effects are overblown because of low risk percentages. I'm in the camp that if it works, great. Do you think it should be given prevntatively or just to patients in trouble?

 

Back to dude's theory: do you think it's likely, holds promise, is being looked at, should be investigated?

 

It should be given as prophylaxis, but only in those with a high risk of contracting it. 

 

And yes, it works.  Again not on everyone, but again if it works on even just 1 person...

[B-Man]

 

 

A Rapid Test for Covid-19 Arrives Via a 20-year-old Technology Already in Many Hospitals.

 

 

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[Dante]

4 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Just operatives, apparently.

Don't take everything literally. It was a bit of sarcasm. Please

[meazza]

5 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Just operatives, apparently.

Well come to think of it, they did have some weird tattoos of an all seeing ... 

 

ah forget it.

[B-Man]