The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

As Americans, I wish we could show more unity and grace in times like these - instead of this condescending/you are dumb and stupid attitude towards people with different viewpoints and opinions.

 

There are lots of people that are very concerned about this virus, and are worried about the death-toll it could take on the (especially elderly population) if steps aren't taken to slow-down the spread.  Health officials are the ones making these shut-down recommendations across the country.  Maybe they are looking at worse-case scenario.  But maybe that's not the wrong approach to take when it comes to people's lives.

 

At the same time, there are lots of people who are very concerned about how 8 weeks (maybe longer) of completely shutting down the country is going to devastate the economy/business owners/jobs/etc.  It's not about the inconvenience of losing the NBA playoffs or being stuck inside their homes with nothing to do but binge Netflix.  The long-term financial effects of this will likely be terrible on millions of families.

 

Furthermore, I wish we could just stop the political attacks.  For just a few weeks.  Please.  

I believe one of the main reasons (some) conservatives are taking this virus less seriously, is because the Democrats couldn't even wait 5 minutes before using it as ammo to attack the President.  It's absolutely pathetic and an absolute disgrace.  This virus is not ANY politicians fault, and it's clear that government officials are trying their best to protect citizens.  Even if we disagree on how quickly response times should be, or what methods are being used to keep people quarantined.  This is a situation that nobody could have been prepared for.  On the other side of the aisle, Trump himself needs to stop using every news conference as an opportunity to bash the Obama's response to H1N1.  Or why some of the above problems were due to the last administration.  The blame game needs to STOP NOW.  It's time for us to unify and move forward.  

 

  Well said.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Furthermore, I wish we could just stop the political attacks.  For just a few weeks.  Please.  

 

This virus is the Democrat's golden ticket to 2020 and there is no way they aren't going to promote panic and deaths to win in November. Blame is their game, and right now it's their Super Bowl.

 

But don't lose sight of what you can do to help and unite. 

 

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

What is the point you are trying to make by displaying these numbers?  You aren't still beating the drum for 'no big deal' and 'total overreaction' due to current death numbers, are you?

 

If so, you did something similar a week or so ago....but with much smaller Covid-19 numbers.  Do you see that these numbers are growing rapidly?  Let me repeat, this outbreak is just beginning here.  When we look back on this in a couple of years, I think the final numbers will be tragically high.  But, I hope I am wrong...honestly I do.   Time will tell.

 

Of course you do...

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Of course you do...

Care to explain that comment?

[Nanker]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Of course you do...

Bob is tragically high. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Bob in Mich said:

Care to explain that comment?

 

Go back and read through all of your posts and then think about what you just asked me.

 

If you still need an explanation, then there is no point in giving one...

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Go back and read through all of your posts and then think about what you just asked me.

 

If you still need an explanation, then there is no point in giving one...

In other words, you don't even know what your own point was...

[Bob in Mich]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Go back and read through all of your posts and then think about what you just asked me.

 

If you still need an explanation, then there is no point in giving one...

Uh, no.  I have 1500 posts.  If you have issues with something I posted, what are the issues?  Be specific please.  Which posts?

[Deranged Rhino]

14 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Uh, no.  I have 1500 posts.  If you have issues with something I posted, what are the issues?  Be specific please.  Which posts?

 

You constantly post histrionics straight from the MSM spigot, 99% of which turns out to be wrong. Then, rather than admitting you were wrong, you double down on idiocy like "WHERE ARE THE TAPES?!". 

 

You're a fool with a broken brain. And your posts contain weapons grade stupidity more often than not. 

 

Specific enough for you? 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You constantly post histrionics straight from the MSM spigot, 99% of which turns out to be wrong. Then, rather than admitting you were wrong, you double down on idiocy like "WHERE ARE THE TAPES?!". 

 

You're a fool with a broken brain. And your posts contain weapons grade stupidity more often than not. 

 

Specific enough for you? 

 

 

 

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Hello Mr. Deep State! 

[Deranged Rhino]

Canada's closed now... 

I thought that was RACIST just last week. 

 

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[transplantbillsfan]

Politics aside, I really hope all my TBD and PPP friends are doing okay in terms of both personal health and economics.

 

With all of our disagreements and differences, we're all united as Bills fans (and you realize how rare and significant that is when you live isolated 6,000 miles away from your hometown team... the very rare times I see a Bills jersey or bumper sticker on island I always feel the need to strike up a conversation or at least give a shaka) and I hope everyone here is getting by all right since every single one of us is pretty clearly being impacted at this moment.

 

If we still find time in this forum to bicker, I assume and hope we're relatively okay, but much Aloha to all who are severely struggling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And now, back to our regularly scheduled bickering.

[Doc Brown]

Mitt Romney's on board with UBI

 

 One Utah senator proposed Monday putting $1,000 into the pocket of every adult in the country to help ensure families and workers can pay their bills and shop during the coronavirus pandemic.

Sen. Mitt Romney offered the idea among several suggestions in a call for “urgent” action to provide economic relief for working Americans, ease the financial burden for students and protect health workers and patients.

Romney said the House coronavirus response package passed last week contains critical measures to help families in Utah and across the nation, and the Senate should act swiftly on the legislation. But, he said, more must be done.

“I will be pushing these measures as Senate discussions continue about an additional relief package,” he said.

Giving people cash during an economic crisis isn’t unprecedented. Congress took similar action during the 2001 and 2008 recessions, Romney said.

While expansions of paid leave, unemployment insurance and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits are crucial, the check will help fill the gaps for Americans that may not quickly navigate different government options, according to the Republican senator.

Also Monday, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. — a 2020 GOP candidate for governor — put out a list of recommendations to protect the state’s economy. Stimulating consumer spending and maintaining capital investment are among the key points.

“Whatever we do, we should keep consumer confidence high, even look for incentives that apply to travel, tourism, spending,” he said.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[RochesterRob]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Mitt Romney's on board with UBI

 

 One Utah senator proposed Monday putting $1,000 into the pocket of every adult in the country to help ensure families and workers can pay their bills and shop during the coronavirus pandemic.

Sen. Mitt Romney offered the idea among several suggestions in a call for “urgent” action to provide economic relief for working Americans, ease the financial burden for students and protect health workers and patients.

Romney said the House coronavirus response package passed last week contains critical measures to help families in Utah and across the nation, and the Senate should act swiftly on the legislation. But, he said, more must be done.

“I will be pushing these measures as Senate discussions continue about an additional relief package,” he said.

Giving people cash during an economic crisis isn’t unprecedented. Congress took similar action during the 2001 and 2008 recessions, Romney said.

While expansions of paid leave, unemployment insurance and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits are crucial, the check will help fill the gaps for Americans that may not quickly navigate different government options, according to the Republican senator.

Also Monday, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. — a 2020 GOP candidate for governor — put out a list of recommendations to protect the state’s economy. Stimulating consumer spending and maintaining capital investment are among the key points.

“Whatever we do, we should keep consumer confidence high, even look for incentives that apply to travel, tourism, spending,” he said.

  UBI is a whole different proposition than a one time shot in the arm to keep bill payers above water.  If the projections come true in terms of wage earners being out several weeks of pay then the 1,000 dollars will pay for the groceries for smaller households but not a lot else.  UBI would be in anticipation of a permanent shift in the economy in terms of jobs not coming back.  Will the connections permanently severe in a community in terms of jobs staffed by humans versus automation and most likely AI?

[billsfan1959]

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

In other words, you don't even know what your own point was...

 

Wrong, but thanks for playing.

 

23 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Uh, no.  I have 1500 posts.  If you have issues with something I posted, what are the issues?  Be specific please.  Which posts?

 

Throughout this thread, you have been a constant "worst case scenario" voice - it is what you do. The fact that you justify your dire predictions as just facing reality indicates just how internal your reality is, rather than based on the external world around you. You have no idea how this is going to play out, anymore than anyone else. Yet, you CHOOSE to take the default position that it will be catastrophic.

 

Voices like yours are what lead people to panic when they don't need to, and to do idiotic things like hoarding more supplies than they need - which serves only to keep others from getting what they need and generally creating more problems. 

 

There is a way to deal with this as a serious issue without the constant hand wringing and fear mongering that does nothing more than feed the panic.

 

Is that specific enough?

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  UBI is a whole different proposition than a one time shot in the arm to keep bill payers above water.  If the projections come true in terms of wage earners being out several weeks of pay then the 1,000 dollars will pay for the groceries for smaller households but not a lot else.  UBI would be in anticipation of a permanent shift in the economy in terms of jobs not coming back.  Will the connections permanently severe in a community in terms of jobs staffed by humans versus automation and most likely AI?

I know that.  Government programs once started sometimes never cease though.  Would Jeff Bezos get $1,000?

[Wacka]

All I've got to say is:  Tibs, GO F Yourself.

I'm doing all I can to make sure that my elderly mom is OK. Don't need idiots  like you to get me infected when I go out to shop for my mother.She caught pneumonia at the beginning of 2019 because of a bug I gave her and I thank  god she pulled through and is still around.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Wacka said:

All I've got to say is:  Tibs, GO F Yourself.

I'm doing all I can to make sure that my elderly mom is OK. Don't need idiots  like you to get me infected when I go out to shop for my mother.She caught pneumonia at the beginning of 2019 because of a bug I gave her and I thank  god she pulled through and is still around.

?? 

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

?? 

 

 

C'mon Tibs, you can't tell me that your not used to people greeting you that way... 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

C'mon Tibs, you can't tell me that your not used to people greeting you that way... 

That was just plan bonkers, which, yes, on here I should be use to that 

[Deranged Rhino]

It's not "plan (sic) bonkers" -- it's your EARNED reputation Tibs. 

 

You're a blight on this board. And you revel in it because you're a sad, tiny person with nothing to offer. 

 

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France now.

 

[RochesterRob]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

It's not "plan (sic) bonkers" -- it's your EARNED reputation Tibs. 

 

You're a blight on this board. And you revel in it because you're a sad, tiny person with nothing to offer. 

 

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France now.

 

  I wonder if this means that foreign ships will be barred from entering French ports while the lockdown is on?  More trade being restricted?

[Hedge]

 

 

[Kemp]

46 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You constantly post histrionics straight from the MSM spigot, 99% of which turns out to be wrong. Then, rather than admitting you were wrong, you double down on idiocy like "WHERE ARE THE TAPES?!". 

 

You're a fool with a broken brain. And your posts contain weapons grade stupidity more often than not. 

 

Specific enough for you? 

 

 

 

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Which side of the aisle has been consistently wrong and stupid about the coronavirus?

It's funny how you always type out personal attacks when they disagree with you. Were you one of the fools who agreed that there's nothing to be worried about because it's contained?

Were you one of the morons who agreed with Trump when he said  there were a couple cases in America, but by the end of the week there will be none?.

You spout your endless nonsense even when you are 100% wrong. 

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/rush-limbaugh-were-shutting-down-our-country-because-cold-virus

At a campaign rally on Feb. 28 in North Charleston, S.C., Trump accused the Democrats of using the coronavirus as "their new hoax." 

Larry Kudlow urged Americans to "stay at work," claiming the coronavirus "looks relatively contained."

Trump told Americans to go to work even if they have it.

Kellyanne Conway said the coronavirus "is being contained." "It is being contained," Conway said when asked about a lack of available tests. "Do you not think it's being contained in this country?"

Comparing the coronavirus to the seasonal flu, Trump claimed, "We have it so well under control."

Hey, it's contained. Everything's fine Nothing to see here. La La La.

Moron.

South Korea and Singapore are doing a far better job than Trump. Trump put Pence the Stupid in charge. The same idiot who wanted to pray the Gay away. 

Trump shut down the agency that would have been leading the effort, now. Another brilliant move by the orange man. 

You can keep insulting people, but everyone who isn't brain-dead knows that Trump and his people have been spouting lies about the most dangerous medical issue since AIDS. You are easily the biggest idiot in this community. Granted, some of your cheerleaders are probably just as dumb.

Now, you can go back to posting idiocy from people on Twitter, because that's you. No original thoughts, ever. Just blindly following an agenda. When the facts get in the way you do the same as your Master. You point to the sky and say look over there.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm going to check if it's no different than catching a cold and anyway, by now, Trump said cases of infection would be down to zero. Yeah, it's all a hoax, the virus is gone and it never was worse than the common cold. Guess you were right, after all.




 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

Which side of the aisle has been consistently wrong and stupid about the coronavirus?
 

 

You've been wrong 1000% for years, so ***** off. You tried to doxx me, got that wrong. You tried to dunk on everything for Russia, got that wrong. 

 

You're a terrible poster who brings nothing to this board. ***** off. 

(and half the ***** you just posted is flat out false -- but discerning truth from fiction has never been your strong suit.)

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Which side of the aisle has been consistently wrong and stupid about the coronavirus?

It's funny how you always type out personal attacks when they disagree with you. Were you one of the fools who agreed that there's nothing to be worried about because it's contained?

Were you one of the morons who agreed with Trump when he said  there were a couple cases in America, but by the end of the week there will be none?.

You spout your endless nonsense even when you are 100% wrong. 

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/rush-limbaugh-were-shutting-down-our-country-because-cold-virus

At a campaign rally on Feb. 28 in North Charleston, S.C., Trump accused the Democrats of using the coronavirus as "their new hoax." 

Larry Kudlow urged Americans to "stay at work," claiming the coronavirus "looks relatively contained."

Trump told Americans to go to work even if they have it.

Kellyanne Conway said the coronavirus "is being contained." "It is being contained," Conway said when asked about a lack of available tests. "Do you not think it's being contained in this country?"

Comparing the coronavirus to the seasonal flu, Trump claimed, "We have it so well under control."

Hey, it's contained. Everything's fine Nothing to see here. La La La.

Moron.

South Korea and Singapore are doing a far better job than Trump. Trump put Pence the Stupid in charge. The same idiot who wanted to pray the Gay away. 

Trump shut down the agency that would have been leading the effort, now. Another brilliant move by the orange man. 

You can keep insulting people, but everyone who isn't brain-dead knows that Trump and his people have been spouting lies about the most dangerous medical issue since AIDS. You are easily the biggest idiot in this community. Granted, some of your cheerleaders are probably just as dumb.

Now, you can go back to posting idiocy from people on Twitter, because that's you. No original thoughts, ever. Just blindly following an agenda. When the facts get in the way you do the same as your Master. You point to the sky and say look over there.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm going to check if it's no different than catching a cold and anyway, by now, Trump said cases of infection would be down to zero. Yeah, it's all a hoax, the virus is gone and it never was worse than the common cold. Guess you were right, after all.




 

I like to keep things loose and stay away from personal attacks. 

 

You're a weak minded simpleton. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

[DC Tom]

12 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Which side of the aisle has been consistently wrong and stupid about the coronavirus?



 

 

Both of them, asshat.

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Total bull####.  How do you enforce a nationwide lockdown or curfew?  State, county, and city law enforcement are going to bother with that?  And if they are...why not let the state, county, and local authorities, who know most about what's happening in their own regions, determine the needs themselves?  

 

People have gone from being terrified of fascism, to begging for it, in two goddamn weeks.

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Total bull####.  How do you enforce a nationwide lockdown or curfew?  State, county, and city law enforcement are going to bother with that?  And if they are...why not let the state, county, and local authorities, who know most about what's happening in their own regions, determine the needs themselves?  

 

People have gone from being terrified of fascism, to begging for it, in two goddamn weeks.

 

100%

 

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[Bob in Mich]

53 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Throughout this thread, you have been a constant "worst case scenario" voice - it is what you do. The fact that you justify your dire predictions as just facing reality indicates just how internal your reality is, rather than based on the external world around you. You have no idea how this is going to play out, anymore than anyone else. Yet, you CHOOSE to take the default position that it will be catastrophic.

 

Voices like yours are what lead people to panic when they don't need to, and to do idiotic things like hoarding more supplies than they need - which serves only to keep others from getting what they need and generally creating more problems. 

 

There is a way to deal with this as a serious issue without the constant hand wringing and fear mongering that does nothing more than feed the panic.

 

Is that specific enough?

 

I have been showing posters here the worst possible case.  You are correct.  The reason though is important.  There has been a subset of posters here that for weeks now have been claiming that this is no big deal and that they were not changing their routines.  IT IS A BIG DEAL.  It is tough convincing an entire pack of fools.  Arguing against several of these opinions has perhaps made it seem that I am inciting panic.  In my opinion, I have been arguing to take this very seriously and to prepare, as opposed to inciting panic.

 

As far as 'specific enough'?  For now, yes.  If however, you wish to claim that I am encouraging hoarding and panic, you would need to show me those specific posts.  Clear enough?

 

 

[reddogblitz]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

100%

 

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I've been saying this all along.  It's one of my conspiracy theories.  Big Tech is behind it to get everyone to have to buy stuff online more and use delivery services etc.  Once they get used to it, say 3 or 4 months, and they'll just continue to from then on.

 

What if the delivery person has it?

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Do we need to wait until it happens to prepare our public health systems?  Pretty sure the plan here has been "well that kinda ***** doesn't happen in America".

 

 

 

I was reading about that last night.  This is very similar to Katrina, in that the federal government has tried to engage the state and local resources for preparation...but no one was interested because "it won't happen to us."

 

Preparation requires a contextual shift of "it will happen to us."  Federal officials tend to have that contextual shift early, because we provide so much support overseas (most CDC officials working this right now were involved directly, overseas, with SARS, MERS, and the 2014 Ebola epidemic.)  State and local officials don't have that context - their view is much more parochial.  Contrast to Superstorm Sandy, where we'd already had that context shift at state and local levels, from Katrina.  

 

And contrary to popular belief, the federal government cannot - does not have the equipment or the authority - to push aside, ignore, or supersede state and local responders.  Particularly in matters of public health.  It has never, ever, ever worked that way.  The most recent example is the 2014 Ebola epidemic - the Americans who caught Ebola and became sick with it were treated with local resources; the epidemiology and public health actions (e.g. quarantine, contact tracing) were performed by state public health resources.  The federal government - the CDC - provided advice, training, and laboratory support.  

 

Just like they're doing now.

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I've been saying this all along.  It's one of my conspiracy theories.  Big Tech is behind it to get everyone to have to buy stuff online more and use delivery services etc.  Once they get used to it, say 3 or 4 months, and they'll just continue to from then on.

 

What if the delivery person has it?

And distance work, school and medical care. Everything that can be done at home can be done online. 

[DC Tom]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Everything that can be done at home can be done online. 

 

For example: you're an idiot.

[Nanker]

 

6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I was reading about that last night.  This is very similar to Katrina, in that the federal government has tried to engage the state and local resources for preparation...but no one was interested because "it won't happen to us."

 

Preparation requires a contextual shift of "it will happen to us."  Federal officials tend to have that contextual shift early, because we provide so much support overseas (most CDC officials working this right now were involved directly, overseas, with SARS, MERS, and the 2014 Ebola epidemic.)  State and local officials don't have that context - their view is much more parochial.  Contrast to Superstorm Sandy, where we'd already had that context shift at state and local levels, from Katrina.  

 

And contrary to popular belief, the federal government cannot - does not have the equipment or the authority - to push aside, ignore, or supersede state and local responders.  Particularly in matters of public health.  It has never, ever, ever worked that way.  The most recent example is the 2014 Ebola epidemic - the Americans who caught Ebola and became sick with it were treated with local resources; the epidemiology and public health actions (e.g. quarantine, contact tracing) were performed by state public health resources.  The federal government - the CDC - provided advice, training, and laboratory support.  

 

Just like they're doing now.

no no no no Tom. You’re hopelessly wrong. The Federal Goobermint is THE answer, no matter the question. And when President Early Stage Joe takes over, you and the world will see his magnificent leadership. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

For example: you're an idiot.

I thought you got five years? Out already? 

Just now, Nanker said:

 

no no no no Tom. You’re hopelessly wrong. The Federal Goobermint is THE answer, no matter the question. And when President Early Stage Joe takes over, you and the world will see his magnificent leadership. 

Who are the airlines asking for help? 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

 

no no no no Tom. You’re hopelessly wrong. The Federal Goobermint is THE answer, no matter the question. And when President Early Stage Joe takes over, you and the world will see his magnificent leadership. 

  I'd rather see Goober for President and cousin Gomer for VP.

[Deranged Rhino]