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Jordan Phillips - put my stats this year against anybody - I'm a top 3 DT

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7 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR.   He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's.  Totally different picture.   No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay.  I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part.

 

Exactly this year and his teammates had nothing to do with it.

 

If he thinks he is that good sign a contract with incentives rather than being paid up front.

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1 minute ago, CheshireCT said:

Is it ever a good look for a multi-millionaire to whine about money on social media?

 

I know. Leave it to me on a whopping 28.5k a year to complain about cash money!

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6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

89M cap room, there is enough money to do whatever they want.  I am not worried about that they could give Phillips 10M AVV and still go sign that top DE at 18M AVV

but it sounds like he wont go for the 10---and some dumb team will give him 15

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Jordan Phillips has been more productive than the post 2015 Dareus and could make an argument for $14M AAV.  The pre 2015 Dareus was better than J Phillips, though.

so one huge mistake justifies another??

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22 minutes ago, Tcali said:

but it sounds like he wont go for the 10---and some dumb team will give him 15

so one huge mistake justifies another??

 

If you can sign Jordan Phillips at $10-12M AAV, do it.  Much above that, I think he walks.  Jordan Phillips will not be Dareus post 2015, if that is what you mean.

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8 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR.   He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's.  Totally different picture.   No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay.  I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. 

 

And don't forget we still have Horrible Harry waiting in the wings.

 

The smart move (and Beane is smart) is to find the NEXT Jordan Phillips.  This year's Jordan Phillips will be way overpaid.

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1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I wont be surprised if Shaq and Phillip's are gone this year.  They seem to be going the biggest payday vs starting with the team.  I will be happy if we retain just one of them, understand if we dont though.

 

Beane will make a push to re-sign Shaq I believe.

 

I think they have a value on Phillips and would welcome him back at that price, but they believe he can get more from someone else.  McDermott is set on DT rotation and as a rotational piece, I don’t think his value to us is as high as it would be to another team.  I don’t feel good about this - from what I can tell he’s been a vet leader in the DL room and on the field.

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If you have to lobby the internet that hard...then you probably know your aren't really a top 3 DT....

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It would be nice to have Jordan Phillips back. He had a great season in a contract year, but it will be also risky to give him too much money since he has never started more than 11 games in a season during his 5 year career. Other teams will know this too. It will be interesting to see how much he will get and how well he will to perform after he gets a new deal.

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Phillips made most of his plays at key moments throughout the season.

 

We're better with him than without him and we have a ton of cap space.

 

I'd still try to re sign him. 

 

The defense is the strength of the team. It needs to be kept in tact. 

 

Our offense is no where near good enough. 

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9 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, his numbers THIS YEAR.   He's fantastic, but put his career numbers against other DT's.  Totally different picture.   No way we should pay him top 3 DT pay.  I'd keep Lawson and draft a DT or get a FA DT as a rotational part. 

 

 

This. If he wants to get paid for one year of performance why don’t we pay him year by year.  I no this will never happened but think how great the game would be if everyone was in year contract 

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9 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I like him, but if he's going into negotiations thinking top 3 money is actually his starting position, I can't imagine a deal getting done. He's going to have to give in wayyyyy more than that. I wouldn't want to pay him half that personally.

I don't think he meant  he deserved top 3 money, I think he was saying statistically he had top 3 stats at his position. He thought they were disrespecting his play, not challenging his worth.

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9 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

He's gonna get paid and deserves so. 

 

I see 15 mill a year type contract.

He deserves 15 mil a year for one good year of play. I hope Miami thinks that and wants him back 15 mil a year for 4 years 60 mil 26 guaranteed lol 😂 

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27 minutes ago, Happy Days said:

It would be nice to have Jordan Phillips back. He had a great season in a contract year, but it will be also risky to give him too much money since he has never started more than 11 games in a season during his 5 year career. Other teams will know this too. It will be interesting to see how much he will get and how well he will to perform after he gets a new deal.

 

Rookie Happy Days, 

Looking at “starts” for a DLman is really misleading since most teams rotate.  Phillips missed like 4 games in 2017.  All other years he played 16 games AFAIK.  

He’s been very durable.

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One game in 2015, 4 games in 2017.

 

He was out one game first year for Northern Cuba.   In year he was cut he still played 16 games.

 

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV
Career       76 35 1 17 0 17 14 1 0 1 0 0 15.0 113 77 36 27 33   23
4 yrs MIA     48 26 1 17 0 17 11           5.5 58 37 23 12 17   13
2 yrs BUF     28 9 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 9.5 31 25 13 15 16   10
2015 23 MIA dt 97 15 4 0 0 0 0 4           2.0 19 14 5 2 5   3
2016 24 MIA de/DT 97 16 11 1 17 0 17 3           0.5 23 13 10 5 3   5
2017 25 MIA DT/rdt 97 13 11 0 0 0 0 3           2.0 16 10 6 4 6   5
2018 26 2TM     16 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 1 0 0 1.0 24 15 9 3 3   2
    BUF   97 12 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 0.0 19 12 7 2 0   2
    MIA   97 4 0 0 0 0 0 1           1.0 5 3 2 1 3   0
2019 27 BUF DT 97 16 9           1 0 0 0 0 9.5 31 25 6 13 16   8

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Beane will make a push to re-sign Shaq I believe.

 

I think they have a value on Phillips and would welcome him back at that price, but they believe he can get more from someone else.  McDermott is set on DT rotation and as a rotational piece, I don’t think his value to us is as high as it would be to another team.  I don’t feel good about this - from what I can tell he’s been a vet leader in the DL room and on the field.

 

What would be your guess as to the value that Beane has on Jordan Phillips?  $10-12M, 8-10M, less?

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Top 3 DT...😂

 

Thankfully our GM and coach look at the film and don’t just box score scout.

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8 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

What would be your guess as to the value that Beane has on Jordan Phillips?  $10-12M, 8-10M, less?

 

Oh, wow, I hate those questions.  I’m not good at this stuff.  I think they knew they overpaid for Star because they kind of had to then.

8-10M I think, but the devil is always in the details - how much guaranteed, how many years, what kind of bonuses or incentives

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22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

What would be your guess as to the value that Beane has on Jordan Phillips?  $10-12M, 8-10M, less?

8-10. If that. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

If you have to lobby the internet that hard...then you probably know your aren't really a top 3 DT....

He's doing what most players of today do in arguing their case for a future deal through social media. He's putting up his stats as an interior pass rusher and establishing his rational why he should be paid at near the top of his position. His value to us is probably not as high as it would be to another team. More power to him. 

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