If we add Yannick here is what our cap space my look like

[billsfan89]

13 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

With the exception of Morse and Beasley those were all bargain signings.

 

The Bills only had 3 signings last off-season of 7 million aav or more (Mitch, Brown, and Beasley) the bulk of the signings were mid-level or lower type deals. A really masterful job to improve the offense without a relatively huge spending spree. Even then the Brown and Beasley deals are easy to get out of after 2020. 

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

He has 4 years of experience not 3, registering 8, 12, 9.5 and 8 sacks in his first four years.  

 

Most free agents become free agents at around 4-5 years experience after their rookie deals expire. Typically you want to invest big money in a player at around age 25-27 so that you get 3-4 years of prime production that complements what you are building through the draft. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think you're mis-remembering based on WGR's quote.

 

He's saying as a team, this offseason isn't an overhaul. As such, we aren't going deep into FA like we did last year [by signing 19 new players]

 

That is how I took it too.  Not a huge FA in # of signings.  I think a big dollar signing could happen if it was the right fit.

 

The other thing not talked about much is the comment (I'll paraphrase) about "friends" of Beane/McDermott not affecting football

decisions.  Who could that possibly be?  DiMarco was one that came to mind and I'm almost scared to say another could be Star.

Would like to know if anyone has another name that could fit this "comment". 

 

I'm not a Star "hater" but an argument could be made about the value of keeping Phillips (if his $s are reasonable) over Star.

It's talked about his cap hit but everyone should remember that a player like Star could be designated a "post June 1" cut early

in the year.  That would split some of the dead cap over 2 years.

Edited January 8, 2020 by ColoradoBills

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, he's a young, experienced, and reasonably good DE coming off of his rookie contract. More than one team will see him as an upgrade, and he'll be paid as a consequence. I also think he's an excellent fit for Patriots-style defenses (e.g., Miami, NE, Detroit, Houston). I doubt the Bills see him in those terms, and won't match. He's going to the team that'll give him the best deal and the most guaranteed money. He'd be unwise not to.

Again, no disagreement here. He will have a price driven higher than we will be comfortable paying, all I'm saying is looking at the relative value of the potential FAs in terms upgrading a position and the dollars being spent, we would be more wise to invest in a top guy like Yannick. It could also be a Judon or the one who I want but wont hit FA Barrett. 

[Motorin']

This guy seems to play with the intensity of Jerry Hughes, and has the respect of the officials. https://www.jaguars.com/video/mic-d-up-yannick-ngakoue

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Motorin' said:

This guy seems to play with the intensity of Jerry Hughes, and has the respect of the officials. https://www.jaguars.com/video/mic-d-up-yannick-ngakoue

 

good respect or 

 

bad respect 

 

like a Flag on nearly every QB "touch" 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think you're mis-remembering based on WGR's quote.

 

He's saying as a team, this offseason isn't an overhaul. As such, we aren't going deep into FA like we did last year [by signing 19 new players]

 

No, that was a different part of the presser.  He made it clear that there won't be an offensive overhaul, and that we will focus on signing the guys we developed.

 

But in another place he specifically focused on talking about FA and about all the tiers of FA and types of FA moves there are.  I'll try to find it later, but I'm hoping a transcript will come out.

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

good respect or 

 

bad respect 

 

like a Flag on nearly every QB "touch" 

 

 

as opposed to Jerry.

[Dkollidas]

I wasn’t sure how they would address the edge position, but the way Beane talked about edge rushers yesterday I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after one in free agency.
 

As far back as we pick in round 1 (22nd overall), it’s hard to find an elite player at that position. It’s also a position worthy of the investment (QB, Edge, CB1, LT, WR1 are the main ones imo).

 

So his statement combined with those things makes me believe they intend to offer Shaq a fair deal, if he takes it they’ll balance that out by cutting Murphy. They’ll then try to go after an Ngakoue or Clowney to rotate, and replace Hughes who will likely be cut after the 2020 season if he has a year similar to, or worse than, this past season. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, Dkollidas said:

I wasn’t sure how they would address the edge position, but the way Beane talked about edge rushers yesterday I wouldn’t be surprised if they went after one in free agency.
 

As far back as we pick in round 1 (22nd overall), it’s hard to find an elite player at that position. It’s also a position worthy of the investment (QB, Edge, CB1, LT, WR1 are the main ones imo).

 

So his statement combined with those things makes me believe they intend to offer Shaq a fair deal, if he takes it they’ll balance that out by cutting Murphy. They’ll then try to go after an Ngakoue or Clowney to rotate, and replace Hughes who will likely be cut after the 2020 season if he has a year similar to, or worse than, this past season. 

 

Edge in RD1 in this draft is limited to about 2 great players, both who will be gone before we pick and there should be 2-3 WRs right around where we pick. Last years draft was a DL/DE draft, this years is a WR draft. 

[H2o]

Ngakoue had 1.5 more sacks on 320 more snaps than Lawson. I don't see Beane ponying up $17,000,000+ as season for him. I think the more likely scenario is we re-sign Lawson and get another Day 2 or early Day 3 DE whom they feel has upside at the position. 

[ILBillsfan]

10 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Trent Murphy was a good (not great, but certainly disruptive, dependable, and good) player this past season and was one of the best players on the field vs. Houston. Why do Bills fans want to cut good players when they have $98 million in cap space???

you know Murphy failed in i his gap responsibilities to set the edge and keep contain on the Watson outside runs?  the first TD was all on Murphy abandoning his positioning and not picking up the ball correctly.  I would much rather have Shaq(who was injured and should not of played Sunday but he did) than Murphy he was strong with his gap responsibility and got decent pressure (which is just as important as sacks).  He is younger and a better option than Murphy 

[Victory Formation]

I’d rather we cut Trent Murphy and re-sign Shaq Lawson to a 3yr deal for about $24m. Make a big splash on DE/OLB Bud Dupree out of Pittsburgh, 5yrs $50m $30m GTD. Between Dupree, Hughes, Johnson and Lawson we’re golden.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Sunshower

[wppete]

$17million? Way too much money. Pay our own, Draft well and strategically go after mid level Free Agents that fit our system with potential to succeed in the system with high character.

[dave mcbride]

21 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

you know Murphy failed in i his gap responsibilities to set the edge and keep contain on the Watson outside runs?  the first TD was all on Murphy abandoning his positioning and not picking up the ball correctly.  I would much rather have Shaq(who was injured and should not of played Sunday but he did) than Murphy he was strong with his gap responsibility and got decent pressure (which is just as important as sacks).  He is younger and a better option than Murphy 

Fair point, and thanks. I really do think Murphy had a good game overall (2 sacks and a lot of pressure), and my one rejoinder to your point is that it was an RPO play and the Houston run game was starting to gash the Bills. He bit on the run, which was understandable. Look -- at the end of the day, everyone on that defense, which had played so well through the first Houston series of the second half, did something wrong in the second half/OT.  As to your larger point, one is under contract and one isn't. And I suspect Lawson's deal is going to be bigger than Murphy's. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2020 by dave mcbride

[MJS]

I don't think I want him. Average sack production (that's been decreasing). He'll get paid like an elite player and he is only an above average player.

18 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

I’d rather we cut Trent Murphy and re-sign Shaq Lawson to a 3yr deal for about $24m. Make a big splash on DE/OLB Bud Dupree out of Pittsburgh, 5yrs $50m $30m GTD. Between Dupree, Hughes, Johnson and Lawson we’re golden.

What's the reason for resigning Lawson? He is easily replaceable. Decent run defender, below average pass rusher. I'd sign him to a short, cheap deal if he will take it, but my guess is there's a team out there willing to give him a decent sized contract for basically no reason.

[Coach Tuesday]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Fair point, and thanks. I really do think Murphy had a good game overall (2 sacks and a lot of pressure), and my one rejoinder to your point is that it was an RPO play and the Houston run game was starting to gash the Bills. He bit on the run, which was understandable. Look -- at the end of the day, everyone on that defense, which had played so well through the first Houston series of the second half, did something wrong in the second half/OT.  As to your larger point, one is under contract and one isn't. And I suspect Lawson's deal is going to be bigger than Murphy's. 

 

 

The thing is Dave, Murphy did that all year - he was selling out the run and chasing sacks all year.  He repeatedly lost contain.  Shaq isn’t as explosive off the snap but at least he sets the edge and for whatever reason, Shaq is super explosive when he gets near the ball carrier - he’s a slow starter and fast finisher.  I’m not saying it’s either/or necessarily.  But Murphy is a liability IMO.  The risks he takes don’t justify the upside IMO.
 

[ILBillsfan]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Fair point, and thanks. I really do think Murphy had a good game overall (2 sacks and a lot of pressure), and my one rejoinder to your point is that it was an RPO play and the Houston run game was starting to gash the Bills. He bit on the run, which was understandable. Look -- at the end of the day, everyone on that defense, which had played so well through the first Houston series of the second half, did something wrong in the second half/OT.  As to your larger point, one is under contract and one isn't. And I suspect Lawson's deal is going to be bigger than Murphy's. 

 

 

you can see him mouth the eff word knowing he made a mistake...drives me nuts as a defensive line coach for HS watching NFL guys do the exact thing we coach so hard for them not to and it starts even in the younger leagues outside contain....he new he lost the contain and was pissed

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

9 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

No. However, they were trying to get to a competitive status while starting to build through the draft. At this point, and Beane as much as said so in his presser, they don't need to add as much through free agency - certainly not in the high dollar range. Their focus will always primarily be drafting and signing their own.

 

With that said, I absolutley see them targeting certain positions in free agency. I just don't see them targeting top dollar free agents.

They should only be adding top level free agents at DE, RT and WR. Then the draft can be BPA. 

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The thing is Dave, Murphy did that all year - he was selling out the run and chasing sacks all year.  He repeatedly lost contain.  Shaq isn’t as explosive off the snap but at least he sets the edge and for whatever reason, Shaq is super explosive when he gets near the ball carrier - he’s a slow starter and fast finisher.  I’m not saying it’s either/or necessarily.  But Murphy is a liability IMO.  The risks he takes don’t justify the upside IMO.
 

None of the analytics sites actually support this. All have Murphy as the more productive player. While I have my issues with those sites and treat them with a grain of salt, the fact of the matter is that Murphy started every game while Lawson started none, and he played more snaps. Did the coaches make the right decision? I don't know, but I have a hunch that while they obviously want to stop the run, they recognize that a good pass defense is simply more important than a good run defense in today's NFL.  The Bills' defense prevented points because its pass D was so good. Murphy, regardless of sack totals, was a disruptive player on pass downs all season long. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

19 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think I want him. Average sack production (that's been decreasing). He'll get paid like an elite player and he is only an above average player.

What's the reason for resigning Lawson? He is easily replaceable. Decent run defender, below average pass rusher. I'd sign him to a short, cheap deal if he will take it, but my guess is there's a team out there willing to give him a decent sized contract for basically no reason.

Are you just afraid of them spending money? You overpay in free agency especially in Buffalo. But you can get good players while cap space is not an issue. 
 

you don’t want Yannick or shaq. Maybe you think they’ll spend the money on Clowney?