Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Who'd you rather be a fan of today? The Bills or: The Patriots? The Jets? The Fish? And that's just in our division. I'd rather be in OUR position than any of theirs. OK, too small of a sample size for you? Well, how about we widen our search to the broader AFC as a whole: Ravens? Bengals? Browns? Steelers? Texans? Titans? Colts? Jaguars? Chargers? Raiders? Broncos? Chiefs? Even on THAT list, I'd probably only want to swap places with the Chiefs, MAYBE the Ravens (based on coaching alone), and possibly the Titans. That's it. By my reckoning, the Bills' situation is better than TWELVE other AFC teams, which puts them in a really sweet spot at the moment. I know that spewing bile and raw emotion is all the rage these days and that logic and reason take a back seat more often than not. But if you look at the REALLY big picture, the Bills are in a pretty good place today with Beane and McDermott. Blowing all of it up would be a blunder of EPIC proportions. Edited January 6, 2020 by Joe in Winslow 19 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Imagine how the Texans felt last year. I’m not a Bill OBrien fan and would certainly understand if they canned him last year. This is what watching Kelly Throw a pick in the Championship game against the Bengals felt like. This is what Ronnie Harmon dropping a pass in the EZ felt like. How about watching the better team lose in our first SB because we were COMPLETELY out coached. Facts: McD is a young coach learning his HC Craft. It’s tough to watch but a crap coach doesn’t get us as far as we got. He still has a sizable learning curve ahead of him. Does anyone think he isn’t introspective and doesn’t self scout? Does anyone think he only has yes men and no one to point out his gaffs to him? I don’t. JA was/Is a project QB with still untapped Upside. Here comes the most important part: Exactly like McD , admits his faults, works on his weaknesses, square miles of room to grow. Some on here seem to believe this is as good as he can be. Some people on here are fools. This team is a middling team in terms of talent. We have tremendous amounts of cap space, the best talent evaluators we have had since??? , and a GM most of us trust. You can’t second guess the Football Gods. When two of your best players sandwich their QB for a sack that every QB goes down under but Watson doesn’t???? It hurts like hell but props to the kid. Let JA watch that play, learn from it and meditate on next year. I LOVE where we are positioned in terms of the next few years in the League ? 20 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I would rather my coaching staff not go into their turtle shell when up two scores. I would rather have my coaching staff to have a killer instinct. I would rather my coaching staff do what they preach and get better everyday. 14 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I agree OP This team and fanbase have nothing to be ashamed of. Despite all the chaos of the 4th quarter they were in a position to win it until that BS crack back block call on Ford put them out of FG range. We need reasonable voices posting here. Sure it hurts to lose this game but like the players we need to pull up our socks and stand up for Buffalo. This team is going to be great and soon Buffalo will be talking proud again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Who'd you rather be a fan of today? The Bills or: The Patriots? The Jets? The Fish? And that's just in our division. I'd rather be in OUR position than any of theirs. OK, too small of a sample size for you? Well, how about we widen our search to the broader AFC as a whole: Ravens? Bengals? Browns? Steelers? Texans? Titans? Colts? Jaguars? Chargers? Raiders? Broncos? Chiefs? Even on THAT list, I'd probably only want to swap places with the Chiefs, MAYBE the Ravens (based on coaching alone), and possibly the Titans. That's it. By my reckoning, the Bills' situation is better than TWELVE other AFC teams, which puts them in a really sweet spot at the moment. I know that spewing bile and raw emotion is all the rage these days and that logic and reason take a back seat more often than not. But if you look at the REALLY big picture, the Bills are in a pretty good place today with Beane and McDermott. Blowing all of it up would be a blunder of EPIC proportions. you may as well ask who do you think has the next young franchise qb if the answers us, definitely. If not, we are in the spin cycle with the rest of them for the foreseeable future. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Oh, this thread should be fun... To the OP: I went to my first Bills game 51 years ago. I have never been a fan of any other team and never will be. I (and many other Bills fans) have gone through far worse than the loss last night. I like the front office and HC, I like our QB, I like the core of the young talent on this team, and I love the direction this team is headed. There are a couple of teams out there in the AFC that are looking pretty good for the near future and I am sure it is a good time for their fans; however, I think I will stay with my team. Go Bills! 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would rather my coaching staff not go into their turtle shell when up two scores. I would rather have my coaching staff to have a killer instinct. I would rather my coaching staff do what they preach and get better everyday. These are my biggest concerns as well. We saw it all season long. Josh had a couple bad plays, but was mostly outstanding. I generally didn’t feel like the players let us down... it was the coaches putting players in the only spots they could fail in key moments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I remain completely confident in the coaching staff and front office. That doesn't mean I always agree with their decisions, but I do agree with their philosophy, foresight, and dedication to the process. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Honestly the only team in the division that concerns me for the foreseeable future is the fish because I think their coach looks like the real deal and they have draft capital. 2020 won't be their year but after that.... The Pats? Of course they have a chance to stay relevant but they are far from guaranteed. What offensive threats do they have? Who is there best player on offense? Tge Jets have talent and Gase. Nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The Bills lost 4 of their last 5 games. I am concerned that next year will not be as kind in the schedule, lack of injuries and some luck that got us to ten wins. Good chance of regression, and last night did nothing to assuage my concerns. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The future is bright. A painful loss though, hard to get over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Who'd you rather be a fan of today? The Bills or: The Patriots? The Jets? The Fish? And that's just in our division. I'd rather be in OUR position than any of theirs. OK, too small of a sample size for you? Well, how about we widen our search to the broader AFC as a whole: Ravens? Bengals? Browns? Steelers? Texans? Titans? Colts? Jaguars? Chargers? Raiders? Broncos? Chiefs? Even on THAT list, I'd probably only want to swap places with the Chiefs, MAYBE the Ravens (based on coaching alone), and possibly the Titans. That's it. By my reckoning, the Bills' situation is better than TWELVE other AFC teams, which puts them in a really sweet spot at the moment. I know that spewing bile and raw emotion is all the rage these days and that logic and reason take a back seat more often than not. But if you look at the REALLY big picture, the Bills are in a pretty good place today with Beane and McDermott. Blowing all of it up would be a blunder of EPIC proportions. The blunder of epic proportions was losing to the Texans...which I blame on a coaching staff who are completely inept at managing a game. While your point is appreciated, you fail to address the one glaring issue: McD has a ceiling. We have witnessed McD's inability to competently manage a game all too often, with yesterday being the peak of that mountain by being outcoached by Bill O'Brien (omg!). If you want to start threads like this then you have to address the reality of our situation, that McD is fatally flawed. With McD at the helm, the Bills will have to overcome his incompetence every season, it won't be enough to simply be better than other teams (as we saw yesterday). The Bills will have to be better and get lucky....We are not is some great situation relative to other teams. We have an inept coach who will only succeed in spite of himself. Next year, when the luck of having a cupcake schedule is gone, we will not be singing the praises of a guy who can't see the forest through the trees. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would rather my coaching staff not go into their turtle shell when up two scores. I would rather have my coaching staff to have a killer instinct. I would rather my coaching staff do what they preach and get better everyday. Me too. And I think this gut-wrenching, never-should-have-happened loss will be a wake-up call. He will HAVE to analyze those missed opportunities, and he will grow. The whole team will. I am concerned about Miami, though. That team is in an outstanding position with a badass HC. Edited January 5, 2020 by Giuseppe Tognarelli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, CNYfan said: The Bills lost 4 of their last 5 games. I am concerned that next year will not be as kind in the schedule, lack of injuries and some luck that got us to ten wins. Good chance of regression, and last night did nothing to assuage my concerns. What’s funny is I agree I think the Bills ate in for regression as well, and yet will still be better positioned to win the division. put another way, say we go 9-7 , but two of the wins are against the Pats, who also face the same schedule the Bills do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: The blunder of epic proportions was losing to the Texans...which I blame on a coaching staff who are completely inept at managing a game. While your point is appreciated, you fail to address the one glaring issue: McD has a ceiling. We have witnessed McD's inability to competently manage a game all too often, with yesterday being the peak of that mountain by being outcoached by Bill O'Brien (omg!). If you want to start threads like this then you have to address the reality of our situation, that McD is fatally flawed. With McD at the helm, the Bills will have to overcome his incompetence every season, it won't be enough to simply be better than other teams (as we saw yesterday). The Bills will have to be better and get lucky....We are not is some great situation relative to other teams. We have an inept coach who will only succeed in spite of himself. Next year, when the luck of having a cupcake schedule is gone, we will not be singing the praises of a guy who can't see the forest through the trees. Speaking of not seeing the forest for the trees: what's your miracle succession plan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Fire Daboll, draft a wideout high and let’s do this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would rather my coaching staff not go into their turtle shell when up two scores. I would rather have my coaching staff to have a killer instinct. I would rather my coaching staff do what they preach and get better everyday. Ok I'll ask you the same thing: what's your succession plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would rather my coaching staff not go into their turtle shell when up two scores. I would rather have my coaching staff to have a killer instinct. I would rather my coaching staff do what they preach and get better everyday. This. Along with a few less missed tackles, a Williams TD at end of half, and a Brown catch inside the 5 yard line. Plus Ford was brutal out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Imagine how the Texans felt last year. I’m not a Bill OBrien fan and would certainly understand if they canned him last year. This is what watching Kelly Throw a pick in the Championship game against the Bengals felt like. This is what Ronnie Harmon dropping a pass in the EZ felt like. How about watching the better team lose in our first SB because we were COMPLETELY out coached. Facts: McD is a young coach learning his HC Craft. It’s tough to watch but a crap coach doesn’t get us as far as we got. He still has a sizable learning curve ahead of him. Does anyone think he isn’t introspective and doesn’t self scout? Does anyone think he only has yes men and no one to point out his gaffs to him? I don’t. JA was/Is a project QB with still untapped Upside. Here comes the most important part: Exactly like McD , admits his faults, works on his weaknesses, square miles of room to grow. Some on here seem to believe this is as good as he can be. Some people on here are fools. This team is a middling team in terms of talent. We have tremendous amounts of cap space, the best talent evaluators we have had since??? , and a GM most of us trust. You can’t second guess the Football Gods. When two of your best players sandwich their QB for a sack that every QB goes down under but Watson doesn’t???? It hurts like hell but props to the kid. Let JA watch that play, learn from it and meditate on next year. I LOVE where we are positioned in terms of the next few years in the League ? I think the fact they both hot him from opposite sides actually helped him stay balanced. To bad some bad tackling cost us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: position to win it until that BS crack back block call on Ford put them out of FG range. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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