3rdnlng Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: So, the advantage of tearing up the Obama Iran nuclear deal was what? You made a nice pro Trump statement but didn't answer the question. Please, try again. Except for the satisfaction of undoing Obama's presidency, what was the advantage of tearing up the agreement? The former agreement was useless. Trump wants a new one that will actually prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. In addition, Trump wants to stop Iran from fomenting terrorism around the world. How could anyone not agree with those goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, westside2 said: Perfect example of why you should never post when you're stoned off your gourd. What's your excuse? Straight up drunk? 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: The former agreement was useless. Trump wants a new one that will actually prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. In addition, Trump wants to stop Iran from fomenting terrorism around the world. How could anyone not agree with those goals? Useless? They were not building a bomb. Now they are. Heck of a job, Trumpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Gary M said: Have they started drafting SJWs for Trumps war yet? Ironically, the SJWs are now researching how to get bone spurs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Has Jacob Wohl enlisted yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: What's your excuse? Straight up drunk? Useless? They were not building a bomb. Now they are. Heck of a job, Trumpy "There are none so blind than those who refuse to see". They've been seeking out nuclear weapons for decades and have gone to great lengths to hide it. They saw a weakness with Obama as president and exploited it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The former agreement was useless. Trump wants a new one that will actually prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. In addition, Trump wants to stop Iran from fomenting terrorism around the world. How could anyone not agree with those goals? No patriotic American could disagree with those goals. But, again, what was gained by tearing up the agreement? A solution for one of those goals was in place for the next 10 years or so before Trump tore up the nuclear deal, recreating the original problem. Why didn't Trump get back the pallets of cash if we gave back the limitations?. Right, he couldn't. So, why not keep what we had gained then too? The answer you want I think is : EGO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: No patriotic American could disagree with those goals. But, again, what was gained by tearing up the agreement? A solution for one of those goals was in place for the next 10 years or so before Trump tore up the nuclear deal, recreating the original problem. Why didn't Trump get back the pallets of cash if we gave back the limitations?. Right, he couldn't. So, why not keep what we had gained then too? The answer you want I think is : EGO. There was no solution in place, only empty promises. We had gained nothing that we wanted to keep. New sanctions on Iran are the only hope to get them to give up terrorism and gaining nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: "There are none so blind than those who refuse to see". They've been seeking out nuclear weapons for decades and have gone to great lengths to hide it. They saw a weakness with Obama as president and exploited it. There were international inspectors on the ground there certifying they were in compliance. So you just want to pretend that was not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: There were international inspectors on the ground there certifying they were in compliance. So you just want to pretend that was not true? they were only allowed to inspect certain areas. sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 this belongs in tibsey's thread as well... ? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1214239229594734595 as opposed to secret Star Chamber hearings?? huh huh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Foxx said: they were only allowed to inspect certain areas. sheesh. Yes, the areas they could make nuclear material. So you say they were still building a bomb, just because you know and everyone else--Aside from Trump!--was lying. You guys Hardcore Closer 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: this belongs in tibsey's thread as well... ? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1214239229594734595 as opposed to secret Star Chamber hearings?? huh huh??? Will Trump officials come to testify, or is the military now their private army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Foxx said: this belongs in tibsey's thread as well... ? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1214239229594734595 as opposed to secret Star Chamber hearings?? huh huh??? I want this to happen. It would be hilarious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I want this to happen. It would be hilarious. witnesses just sit there and every time Schiff asks a question, burst into laughter, or let off an airhorn for 5 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: witnesses just sit there and every time Schiff asks a question, burst into laughter, or let off an airhorn for 5 seconds And eat big sandwiches in front of them. Slurping down Big Gulps and loudly chewing bubble gum - once in awhile popping bubbles with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: witnesses just sit there and every time Schiff asks a question, burst into laughter, or let off an airhorn for 5 seconds Like how the Nazis shut down the Reichstag in 1930's, making Constitutional government impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 another one for tibsey's thread. ? https://twitter.com/BigBertieT/status/1214238618912526336 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nanker said: And eat big sandwiches in front of them. Slurping down Big Gulps and loudly chewing bubble gum - once in awhile popping bubbles with it. take a page from the genius Saul Alinksy and all the witnesses should eat a can of beans before testifying and let it rip the whole afternoon what a genius Saul was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 gosh tibsey... they are just putting out all kinds of material for your thread today. https://twitter.com/HOLYSMKES/status/1214258917108277249 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Useless? They were not building a bomb. Now they are. Heck of a job, Trumpy Frankly the strategy of letting them develop nuke capability then us blowing it to smithereens is more sensible than a 10 year agreement which set the calendar for future development of a nuke and gave us almost nothing else in return. 47 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I want this to happen. It would be hilarious. Bank on it happening. Schiff finds himself with nothing else to do at the moment. Edited January 6, 2020 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, keepthefaith said: Frankly the strategy of letting them develop nuke capability then us blowing it to smithereens is more sensible than a 10 year agreement which set the calendar for future development of a nuke and gave us almost nothing else in return. I wish we could just press a button and turn them into a democratic/republic. Most Iranians would like this too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I wish we could just press a button and turn them into a democratic/republic. Most Iranians would like this too We can agree on that. Imagine if Iran's leadership looked back upon the last 40 years or so and came to the conclusion that they no longer wish to eliminate Israel from the map and are willing to take that position in negotiating some treaties and trade agreements. Imagine what could get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: No patriotic American could disagree with those goals. But, again, what was gained by tearing up the agreement? A solution for one of those goals was in place for the next 10 years or so before Trump tore up the nuclear deal, recreating the original problem. Why didn't Trump get back the pallets of cash if we gave back the limitations?. Right, he couldn't. So, why not keep what we had gained then too? The answer you want I think is : EGO. I agree. Trump should have gotten the cash back. All you do is check the routing....i mean look for the deposit sli...I mean go to the branch where...errrr uh get copies of the wire transfer doc...shoot, where would an Iranian despot keep his cash pallets? As importantly, where would Barrack hide the vig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Sad, but the entire thing is a result of failing to address reality. The greatest example of kicking the can down the road. Does any sane individual with a modicum of knowledge about the Persian thing think for a second that Iran was going to abandon its nuclear program because of a "deal" with American President Barack Obama? Ludicrous. This preposterous view by grossly political Americans, (my party gets it right, yours gets it wrong), flies in the face of reality. There is no chance that Obama was going to stop them just as there is no chance that any diplomacy is going to stop them. Its simply an option to get a bunch of career pols around a table for a photo shoot and add something to a faked resume. Iran has never stopped, and is not going to stop developing this stuff until some other event occurs, and that has been the reality since they decided to pursue this weapons program. Obama, Trump, Lincoln or whomever, it doesn't matter. The theory that some president of the US has the negotiating skill to control such a decision in Tehran or Pyonyang is not supported by any current reality. Edited January 6, 2020 by sherpa 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Gary Busey said: In your opinion, how many times does one need to lie before they become a pathological liar? Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 35 minutes ago, sherpa said: Sad, but the entire thing is a result of failing to address reality. The greatest example of kicking the can down the road. Does any sane individual with a modicum of knowledge about the Persian thing think for a second that Iran was going to abandon its nuclear program because of a "deal" with American President Barack Obama? Ludicrous. This preposterous view by grossly political Americans, (my party gets it right, yours gets it wrong), flies in the face of reality. There is no chance that Obama was going to stop them just as there is no chance that any diplomacy is going to stop them. Its simply an option to get a bunch of career pols around a table for a photo shoot and add something to a faked resume. Iran has never stopped, and is not going to stop developing this stuff until some other event occurs, and that has been the reality since they decided to pursue this weapons program. Obama, Trump, Lincoln or whomever, it doesn't matter. The theory that some president of the US has the negotiating skill to control such a decision in Tehran or Pyonyang is not supported by any current reality. Yes. See Cyrus, Darius, and Xerxes et al. Their conquests for empire date back nearly 3,000 years. They’ve been slow grinding that path for centuries and it won’t stop because of a nice European/Western formal agreement any more than Neville Chamberlain’s “piece of paper, that I hold in my hand, signed by Mister Hitler” was a stonewall that prevented WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question. who takes anything a politician says seriously after they are 11 years old? the party ticket has a sweeping tone to it and that's what matters, unless it doesn't have one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) So little talk about the administration trying to tie this killing to 9-11. Shocker. It started on the Twitter so I figured DR and Hedge would be all over it. Edited January 6, 2020 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, row_33 said: who takes anything a politician says seriously after they are 11 years old? the party ticket has a sweeping tone to it and that's what matters, unless it doesn't have one.... Not me thats for sure. Take Pelosi, Cruz, or Schumer for instance. They are all full of crap too! So were Bush’s. George Sr...”read my lips, no new taxes” or Obama...”if you like your hc provider, you can keep your provider”.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Not me thats for sure. Take Pelosi, Cruz, or Schumer for instance. They are all full of crap too! So were Bush’s. George Sr...”read my lips, no new taxes” or Obama...”if you like your hc provider, you can keep your provider”.... I grew up with LBJ and Nixon and then Clinton and his lovely wife Bluto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, row_33 said: I grew up with LBJ and Nixon and then Clinton and his lovely wife Bluto Haha so you get it!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, John Adams said: So little talk about the administration trying to tie this killing to 9-11. I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. He's referring to Mike Pence claiming that Salami arranged transportation for ten or twelve 9-11 hijackers to get from Lebanon to Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. While we must not forget it is foolish to tie this together. That said, I hope we didnt blow up those palets of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 47 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I hadn't heard that. And if I had, I'd have simply ignored it, because that's stupid. Well it was only the VP's statement about Sulimani. https://mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1213189757708189699?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1213189757708189699&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2020%2F1%2F4%2F21049671%2Fqassem-soleimani-iran-9-11-mike-pence-trump-administration Stupid in many ways. And amusing to tie this to Iran but never Saudi Arabia. Never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: Imo I suppose habitually- that is really a tough question. Trump has lied thousands of times about the most mundane of things. Skepticism is warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, fansince88 said: It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. No. It was the vice president speaking for the administration. Like a moran trying to justify the assassination by linking it to 9-11. But the Trump knob-gobblers ignore this. How about Trump supporting bombing cultural sites? Nothing to say about that either? Good critical thinking here boyz. Carry on. Edited January 7, 2020 by John Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, fansince88 said: It isnt the administration. Its the dopes on facebook. While we must not forget it is foolish to tie this together. That said, I hope we didnt blow up those palets of cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, John Adams said: How about Trump supporting bombing cultural sites? Nothing to say about that either? Good critical thinking here boyz. Carry on. Here's a medium they might understand Edited January 7, 2020 by Gary Busey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Cinga said: Whataboutism ... 15 yard penalty and loss of gif posting privilege. 9 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Here's a medium they might understand Good to see some morals. Trump will probably fire him and hire his mancrush who likes killing children prisoners. Trump has been on a classless rampage of late. Wait until Bolton testifies. Edited January 7, 2020 by John Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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