Mr. Trump's War

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Is your period key rubbed clean?

What, now your doing it for a living, solicitor? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

When the president threatens to break international law and violate treaties, it matters. 

 

But on a more important and unresolved note, he still hasn't justified the assassination, except clumsily linking it to 9-11 and to stop an imminent attack. They've handled the justification of the assassination poorly (no shock there). 

 

 

 

 

He owes NO justification to YOU or anyone else for that matter. It was a thing that needed to happen.

 

[DC Tom]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He owes NO justification to YOU or anyone else for that matter. It was a thing that needed to happen.

 

 

Actually, he does.  He's the President; you're describing royalty.

[Nanker]

The WH is giving Congress in the form of the belligerent Gang of Eight a briefing. The public doesn’t get one yet. That’s Adam Schiff’s job. He’ll be translating them for our consumption while explaining how this is now really, really, really, truly even is grounds for impeachment and burning him at the stake on the DC Mall.   

Edited January 7, 2020 by Nanker

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Actually, he does.  He's the President; you're describing royalty.

Since when has any president in the past 20 years justified ANYTHING?

 

Why is it that it has to start with THIS president?

 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Since when has any president in the past 20 years justified ANYTHING?

 

Why is it that it has to start with THIS president?

 

 

 It's not starting with this President.  You're just wrong, is all.

 

But you're picking a hell of a time to explicitly mbue the Presidency with monarchial powers, what with it being occupied by a candied yam.

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

He survived an attack from the previous administration, who abused the massive powers of state/surveillance/law enforcement and its media apparatus. What was done to him was an assault on not just him, but our entire republic and the rule of law. 

 

No one could survive this by accident. Or luck. 

 

He survived because he was the only one who could -- and has turned the tables on the entire dirty cabal which has dominated our country for decades. That there is unending caterwauling from the very institutions and personnel who lied to the country for years for the sake of their own bank accounts is not unexpected. It's information warfare 101. 

 

No one is asking you to like the man, I'm not. I'm not even asking you to vote for him. I'm pointing out your analysis is wrong based on every single piece of evidence we've had uncovered the past several years. 

Reagan ate a bullet -- and it buckled him, made him a servant to these very same people. Trump took their shots and stomped them. And is continuing to do so. 

 

There's only two sides to this conflict. And you might not like who is running the show for the good guys, but he's the only one who could do what's been done so far. 

People that take risks in life are bound to fail. The mentally tough ones get up, dust themselves off, take more shots and keep pressing on. This is what has

so many frustrated and infuriated with Trump- they can’t beat him.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

 It's not starting with this President.  You're just wrong, is all.

 

But you're picking a hell of a time to explicitly mbue the Presidency with monarchial powers, what with it being occupied by a candied yam.

 

Well, could do a lot worse than a candied yam in the office.

 

Like, say, having an effete, ineffectual community organizer at the helm.

 

[John Adams]

18 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...he'll probably call you tonight from the "Oval Office Hot Line"........

 

He's tried one justification as linking it to 9-11, which is completely absurd. 

 

Now he's also going with imminent threat. We will see about that justification.

 

And we will see if it was strategically wise. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by John Adams

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Since when has any president in the past 20 years justified ANYTHING?

 

Why is it that it has to start with THIS president?

 

It has to start somewhere. Trump had no obligation to inform Congress prior to the killing but he has an obligation to inform Congressional leaders afterward. He is doing that tomorrow. The problem is, for good reasons he can't allow his people to go into any real details with the public. The meeting tomorrow is supposed to be classified but Adam Schiff, as usual will leak out a version that fits his agenda. 

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Well, could do a lot worse than a candied yam in the office.

 

Like, say, having an effete, ineffectual community organizer at the helm.

 

 

there hasn't been a completely overwhelmed nothing in the White House since Carter

 

and that was just a fluke after Watergate and Nam and too much acid

 

[John Adams]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

It has to start somewhere. Trump had no obligation to inform Congress prior to the killing but he has an obligation to inform Congressional leaders afterward. He is doing that tomorrow. The problem is, for good reasons he can't allow his people to go into any real details with the public. The meeting tomorrow is supposed to be classified but Adam Schiff, as usual will leak out a version that fits his agenda. 

 

Justification provided by 

 

dun 

dun duuuuuun

 

THE DEEP STATE

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

there hasn't been a completely overwhelmed nothing in the White House since Carter

 

and that was just a fluke after Watergate and Nam and too much acid

 

 

You're wrong there. The last president was out of his depth, completely. An entire embassy wiped out, crimea annexed by russia, red lines in syria, pallets of cash to iran, the eight "summers of recovery", et al.

 

[Wacka]

4 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

 

The apostrophe goes in between the "u" and the "r"- like this - you're.

Your head goes up your ass.

[3rdnlng]

Just now, John Adams said:

 

Justification provided by 

 

dun 

dun duuuuuun

 

THE DEEP STATE

OK, I'll play your dumb game. Maybe the justification came from Military Intelligence. You know, the guys that initially broke open the malfeasance of the true Deep State. 

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

OK, I'll play your dumb game. Maybe the justification came from Military Intelligence. You know, the guys that initially broke open the malfeasance of the true Deep State. 

 

Probably did.  DIA or NSA.  It certainly didn't come from CIA.

[row_33]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You're wrong there. The last president was out of his depth, completely. An entire embassy wiped out, crimea annexed by russia, red lines in syria, pallets of cash to iran, the eight "summers of recovery", et al.

 

 

we'll disagree with that one....

 

 

[sherpa]

36 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I hear you. I really do. I didn't vote for him, and this is the last thing I expected to find when I began digging into it. But I go where the evidence leads..

 

You didn't go where the evidence lead when you posted that nonsense about Seventh Fleet corruption, and specifically, Adm Pat Walsh's involvement, which you suggested.

Once you do that, no matter how honorable your intentions, people who know these folks doubt your ability or sincerity  to:

    "go where the evidence leads"

No disrespect intended.

Just things remembered, and not admitted.

Edited January 7, 2020 by sherpa

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I hear you. I really do. I didn't vote for him, and this is the last thing I expected to find when I began digging into it. But I go where the evidence leads, and it's overwhelming if you really look at it. 

 

If he ends up committing us to long term war/occupation in Iran, or lets the dirty cops/state officials he has dead to rights walk, then that calculus will change. Until then, he has them on the ropes. He has to drop the hammer to make it count though. 

 

...interesting perspective.....maybe political practices and business practices are a bad mix......the political landscape is littered with career politicians and/or appointees (never rid of parasitic dead weight) .....the private sector provides NO protectionism......maybe trying to meld the two cannot happen....if in the political arena an appointee differs from the President's view(s), any President and not just Trump, is the immediate consequence "the ax"?...I have no idea.....,

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You didn't go where the evidence lead when you posted that nonsense about Seventh Fleet corruption, and specifically, Adm Pat Walsh's involvement.

Once you do that, no matter how honorable your intentions, people who know these folks doubt your ability or sincerity  to:

    "go where the evidence leads"

No disrespect intended.

Just things remembered, and not admitted.

 

The Post and NYT wrote up the Fat Leonard scandal, too, so I wouldn't be that quick to accuse DR of tossing around baseless conspiracies in that case.

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The Post and NYT wrote up the Fat Leonard scandal, too, so I wouldn't be that quick to accuse DR of tossing around baseless conspiracies in that case.

 

I know what he posted, and I stand by what I said.

That isn't important.

But.....When you claim some sort of credibility based on honest consideration of facts, your skeletons get exposed.

 

 

Edited January 7, 2020 by sherpa

[GG]

29 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

He's tried one justification as linking it to 9-11, which is completely absurd. 

 

Now he's also going with imminent threat. We will see about that justification.

 

And we will see if it was strategically wise. 

 

Attacking a military base and killing a US citizen and then ordering a mob to attack, burn and occupy a US embassy isn't enough?

[Deranged Rhino]

9 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You didn't go where the evidence lead when you posted that nonsense about Seventh Fleet corruption, and specifically, Adm Pat Walsh's involvement, which you suggested.

Once you do that, no matter how honorable your intentions, people who know these folks doubt your ability or sincerity  to:

    "go where the evidence leads"

No disrespect intended.

Just things remembered, and not admitted.

 

You're still hung up on something I never said. 

 

I posted a news article on the story -- I offered no opinion on it or the people involved. 

 

I've offered plenty of opinions over the years, but never on that. And when you spoke up about knowing the people involved I listened   

[Foxx]

52 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Is your period key rubbed clean?

i think you should probably change your tampon. maybe use a douche to clean up afterwards.

[sherpa]

23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You're still hung up on something I never said. 

 

I posted a news article on the story -- I offered no opinion on it or the people involved. 

 

I've offered plenty of opinions over the years, but never on that. And when you spoke up about knowing the people involved I listened   

 

What you say is OK with me.

 

What you did is post a suggestion of involvement in an illegal activity by people I know and also know were not involved, and your suggestion was clear.

That was not, and should not, be taken lightly.

 

That causes me to be suspicious.

Shouldn't matter to you.

The facts always prevail.

 

 

[dubs]

4 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I am assuming that there is absolutely no need to deal with this guy's incompetence, whether as a businessman or a leader of a nation in possession of the greatest military and financial capability the world has ever known.

 

I did a bit of financial work, formally and paid,  on his "business" a few decades ago when he tried to launch a hostile bid on a company.

Thank God he failed.

 

I've watched him "fail" in many other endeavors that ended up in court, and those of a more personal nature that we all know about.

 

I hoped he would work out, because I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for his competitor.

 

He is in over his head, and everything suggests that, at it always has.

 

All that aside, no matter the suggestion of his advanced skilled nuance, never visible in his track record heretofore, he has suggested that the US military will do something it doesn't, and won't do.

 

If this is because he is brilliant, I'll admit it when I see it.

What I see is stupid unnecessary nonsense.

 

Donald Trump is an unsuccessful businessman?  That’s your position?  
 

What did Obama do before he was president that gave you such confidence he’d be a great leader?  Was it his community organizing?

 

just trying to gauge the standard here. 

[Cinga]

 

 

In Iran/Iraq right about now.....

Edited January 7, 2020 by Cinga

[Tiberius]

Air base attacked, oh boy 

[Deranged Rhino]

15 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

What you say is OK with me.

 

What you did is post a suggestion of involvement in an illegal activity by people I know and also know were not involved, and your suggestion was clear.

That was not, and should not, be taken lightly.

 

That causes me to be suspicious.

Shouldn't matter to you.

The facts always prevail.

 

 

 

I really do not remember it that way, and just spent some time digging for the subject in the DS thread (and couldn't find it -- which shows me it wasn't a big topic of discussion at least on my end). I remember clearly posting a news article on the scandal without further comment. That article might have named people -- but I did not.  

[Tiberius]

Rockets fired from Iran? Wow, this is a another escalation. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[dubs]

Desperate actions by a desperate regime. The economy is crushed, GDP decreased by 10% in 2019 as a result of sanctions and projected to be worse in 2020. They have only conventional military capabilities and the citizens, by in large, hate the rulers. All indisputable facts. 
 

there is more likely a chance of revolution in Iran than any type of war with the US. 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Quick, roll Hillary out! 

[dubs]

Yet according the the NYT Trump might institute the draft because we killed this revered Iranian “official”. 
 

pathetic

 

i think some people on this board are already burning draft cards and bras!

Edited January 7, 2020 by dubs

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, dubs said:

Desperate actions by a desperate regime. The economy is crushed, GDP decreased by 10% in 2019 as a result of sanctions and projected to be worse in 2020. They have only conventional military capabilities and the citizens, by in large, hate the rulers. All indisputable facts. 
 

there is more likely a chance of revolution in Iran than any type of war with the US. 

No, look at Asad in Syria and Venezuela, these governments don’t get toppled easily 

[RaoulDuke79]

And here we god. God bless all of our service men and women. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Tiberius]

They are trying to drive us out of Iraq. 

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Only trust a truthful liar, like Trump! 

[Hedge]

Public service announcement: Remember this is a Tib's created thread. Anything you post here may go *poof* once this takes a turn the OP doesn't like.

maybe we do need a dedicated thread to this, aside from the Foreign Policy one, however.

[Tiberius]

Just now, Hedge said:

Public service announcement: Remember this is a Tib's created thread. Anything you post here may go *poof* once this takes a turn the OP doesn't like.

maybe we do need a dedicated thread to this, aside from the Foreign Policy one, however.

Fire it up Hedge, I’m use to people being jealous of my work, so go ahead and start a new thread. 

 

 

 

Rand Paul just called the Maximum Pressure campaign a failure and that Trump is leading us into a war for no reason.