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1 hour ago, Buddo said:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if come Sunday, there are a lot of guys given limited snaps. I think the method will be to have everyone practise as normal, but then make decisions based off of fitness etc. come the Sunday. Keeps actual preparation disruption to a minimum, and maintains routines.

 

The team really hasn't played especially well in the last few games, to warrant time off for good behaviour ;)

 

Offensively they have barely done enough, and defensively there was regression in the Cheaters game to some poor tackling, in particular.

 

Both sides of the ball need to show they have put things right, before getting time off (or rested). 

 

There is no sense in playing guys who are dinged up, however.

 

Unless they are missing tackles because they aren't rested, which is a heck of a lot more likely than them suddenly forgetting how to tackle.  They don't have the roster spots to rest everyone, and the backups aren't game fit to play huge snaps.

 

You're really talking Barkely for Allen, Duke for Brown or Beasley, Sweeney for Knox and Yeldon for Singletary. The rest of the starters would have to be active because they don't have players that are game fit enough to cover the position for a full game without greatly increasing the risk of injury.

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3 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Unless they are missing tackles because they aren't rested, which is a heck of a lot more likely than them suddenly forgetting how to tackle.  They don't have the roster spots to rest everyone, and the backups aren't game fit to play huge snaps.

 

You're really talking Barkely for Allen, Duke for Brown or Beasley, Sweeney for Knox and Yeldon for Singletary. The rest of the starts would have to be active because they don't have players that are game fit enough to cover the position for a full game without greatly increasing the risk of injury.

Exactly.  Because the roster is so small, we're going to have to play quite a few regulars regardless.  I assume we'll sit guys like Morse who are a little banged up, and I would prefer that they sit Allen, Singletary, and Tre because of their importance next week, but you can't rest everybody.

 

I'm hoping that they're just going to give Allen a couple of series to stay in his regular routine while keeping him out of harms way.  Trust the process, I guess.

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20 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Yeah, the way Allen reacts to an exotic pressure/coverage combo that he's never seen before is on tape already...ok👌

Because no one has been game planning to take him out of the game for like 2 years now...... you people crack me up

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14 hours ago, zow2 said:

Big deal.  Some of the important starters may Only play a series, a quarter or a half. They can get hurt in practice too.  The only ones I would sit for sure or play very sparingly are Tre, Singletary and possibly Milano. 

Definitely Tre!!

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3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

What happens if Gregg figures something out on how to stop JA, puts it on tape and the Bills don't have enough time to figure out how to counter it before the wild card?

 

Williams isn't just a dirty coach, he's arguably a top 20 all time d coordinator. 

Josh will probably only play like 2 series.  There really isn't anything that's going to be figured out that hasn't already been figured out.  

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22 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

You're right, thanks.

 

Do I need to go to confession, just went two weeks ago ?

Depends on how your last 2 weeks have gone. If you wanna get something off your chest, we're here for you.

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11 hours ago, NoSaint said:


meh. I get it but you know guys 4 and 5 on the list may be frustrated - especially if a little dinged up. Or 6 and 7 if you do 5 and so on. 
 

I don’t agree, but it’s also not insane. Just need to know your team to make the call.

Not quite my point. BB saying that he doesnt know how many starters he has is equivalent to deflecting the question. Perhaps a better posed question may be "will you rest few of the critical players". He very well knows what the real question is, yet chooses to provide these dense replies which he thinks implies genius on his part. He is undoubtedly a great coach but not a good orator. 

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The only thing worse than an injury is going out, trying and getting smoked by the Jets. The team earned a Week 17 bye, by taking care of their business. This is a mistake that McDermott will learn from

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3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

The only thing worse than an injury is going out, trying and getting smoked by the Jets. The team earned a Week 17 bye, by taking care of their business. This is a mistake that McDermott will learn from


that would be so Billsy

 

injuries and losing 

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On 12/24/2019 at 8:49 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t like it personally. There is NO upside imo. What do you guys think?

 

 

The upside is finishing 11-5, vs. 10-6, and not having the first two-game losing streak of the season. Winners don't play scared.

1 hour ago, row_33 said:


that would be so Billsy

 

injuries and losing 

 

The Eagles lost Wentz and still won the SB. The Giants lost Simms and still won the SB.

 

I have no objection to pulling the starters once the Bills are up by 21. Allen still needs the work. You have to earn the right to take a week off. The Bills have not earned it yet.

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56 minutes ago, egd said:

The upside is finishing 11-5, vs. 10-6, and not having the first two-game losing streak of the season. Winners don't play scared.

 

So Baltimore is scared or losers?

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Makes sense coming from McDermott.  He's the least logical/scientific/linear thinking guy you now.

 

He once admitted to challenging a penalty because he felt it sent a message to the team.

 

I'm sure he thinks there is a thing called "momentum" in sports and it's important to maintain it going into the playoff game.

 

Dude's replaceable.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Makes sense coming from McDermott.  He's the least logical/scientific/linear thinking guy you now.

 

He once admitted to challenging a penalty because he felt it sent a message to the team.

 

I'm sure he thinks there is a thing called "momentum" in sports and it's important to maintain it going into the playoff game.

 

Dude's replaceable.

 

 

Lol...first Bills coach to sniff the playoffs in how long?...and does it 2 out 3 years, AND

the team a few years ago was pitiful.

Totally replaceable.

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6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It wasn't just defense.  The OL did not block well on key downs.  Allen started the game playing poorly and misfired at the end.

 

 

There's the other side of the coin there too.  McDermott's team is built on "do your 1/11"

 

Now if a player is injured that's one thing

But otherwise, how do you say "everybody needs to do their 1/11 and every 1/11 is critically important" and then just go along and pick who rests? 

 

The Bills have invested heavily on defense and it's McDermott's forte.  Yeah offense didn't play particularly well but that was the Bills worse game on defense this year.  I think McD expected more from his team and in particular the defense.  Now the starters are playing against the Jets.

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1 hour ago, egd said:

The upside is finishing 11-5, vs. 10-6, and not having the first two-game losing streak of the season. Winners don't play scared.

 

The Eagles lost Wentz and still won the SB. The Giants lost Simms and still won the SB.

 

I have no objection to pulling the starters once the Bills are up by 21. Allen still needs the work. You have to earn the right to take a week off. The Bills have not earned it yet.


Eagles sprang a gimmick O on the NFL with two solid QBs, the NFL solved the gimmick over the offseason after the SB win, one and done fluke winner

 

the Giants had a suitable replacement for the barely above good Phil Simms, Parcells knew how little value Simms provided and let him know it every single day.

 

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This is a YOUNG team.

 

This is a team coming off an emotional defeat to a team they may see again in playoffs.

 

This is a team that’s been starting games slow offensively.  
 

This season is just the beginning, and not a last chance scenario.  
 

This is an offense with 9 new starters this year still coming together.
 

This is a team still learning to win and reduce mistakes.
 

Therefore:  It’s better that they play, at least part of the game.  Its not a good thing to go into the post season with a 2 week gap for our young starters and potentially on a streak of losing 3 games in last 4 (assuming backups lost to Jets).  
 

If someone gets hurt, well that’s football.  Resting starters would be like playing not to lose vs playing to win.  
 

If they want to win in the playoffs, then it’s better to keep the machine oiled.  If this was a veteran team with lots of playoff experience, then I would say let them rest.  But we need the reps.

 

I fully support this decision no matter what the outcome is.  McD obviously feels the same way.  

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Let's be real.

They'll play one drive and you'll see the backups come in

 

Book it. This is no big deal.

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33 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Lol...first Bills coach to sniff the playoffs in how long?...and does it 2 out 3 years, AND

the team a few years ago was pitiful.

Totally replaceable.


There are some terrible posters but Nextmanup takes it to a whole new level.   

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This is a YOUNG team.

 

This is a team coming off an emotional defeat to a team they may see again in playoffs.

 

This is a team that’s been starting games slow offensively.  
 

This season is just the beginning, and not a last chance scenario.  
 

This is an offense with 9 new starters this year still coming together.
 

This is a team still learning to win and reduce mistakes.
 

Therefore:  It’s better that they play, at least part of the game.  Its not a good thing to go into the post season with a 2 week gap for our young starters and potentially on a streak of losing 3 games in last 4 (assuming backups lost to Jets).  
 

If someone gets hurt, well that’s football.  Resting starters would be like playing not to lose vs playing to win.  
 

If they want to win in the playoffs, then it’s better to keep the machine oiled.  If this was a veteran team with lots of playoff experience, then I would say let them rest.  But we need the reps.

 

I fully support this decision no matter what the outcome is.  McD obviously feels the same way.  


 

It’s a matter of routine and my hunch is that most of the starters will play anywhere from a quarter to a half.  I’m fully supportive of whatever McD decides, he’s earned the right of the benefit of the doubt.

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1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Makes sense coming from McDermott.  He's the least logical/scientific/linear thinking guy you now.

 

He once admitted to challenging a penalty because he felt it sent a message to the team.

 

I'm sure he thinks there is a thing called "momentum" in sports and it's important to maintain it going into the playoff game.

 

Dude's replaceable.

 

 

Do you have a link?

 

McDermott has challenged exactly one penalty, in which he challenged that there was OPI on Josh Gordon during the week 4 game vs. NE*.  (he lost the challenge)

 

What message, pray tell, was that supposed to send to the team?

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7 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Because no one has been game planning to take him out of the game for like 2 years now...... you people crack me up

 

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Josh will probably only play like 2 series.  There really isn't anything that's going to be figured out that hasn't already been figured out.  

 

So McD calls a timeout so can get a free look at how the cowboys would respond to a specific pressure look later in the game, Romo gets hearts in his eyes for McD, people who understand football on this board go wild with praise...yet it's just two series in this case, no big deal...that was one play, clearly it matters!

 

If you look at Allen's progression it is jagged. People figure him out, he looks rough for a week or two, he adjusts looks awesome, they figure him out, he looks bad, Bills adjust he looks great again. Why would you want a top 20 all time d coordinator to get a chance to show a pressure package with backend coverage that confuses JA a week before a one and done situation?!

 

And just to help me clarify...the argument is you could fall on the ground walking to your car in the morning so therefore base jumping off a cliff is not risky...logical falicy much?

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37 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

 

So McD calls a timeout so can get a free look at how the cowboys would respond to a specific pressure look later in the game, Romo gets hearts in his eyes for McD, people who understand football on this board go wild with praise...yet it's just two series in this case, no big deal...that was one play, clearly it matters!

 

If you look at Allen's progression it is jagged. People figure him out, he looks rough for a week or two, he adjusts looks awesome, they figure him out, he looks bad, Bills adjust he looks great again. Why would you want a top 20 all time d coordinator to get a chance to show a pressure package with backend coverage that confuses JA a week before a one and done situation?!

 

And just to help me clarify...the argument is you could fall on the ground walking to your car in the morning so therefore base jumping off a cliff is not risky...logical falicy much?

 

No the argument is he can get hurt anytime.  It matters not if he gets hurt in this game or the next.  The result is the same.  They are paid to take that risk.  But im not going to argue this again.  No point.  I think they need more work and so does the coach.

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It simply comes down to risk vs. reward.  The risk of an injury far outweighs any argument to play the starters.    Playoffs are the very next week - even a minor injury keeping a player out a few weeks can hurt us bad.

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34 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

No the argument is he can get hurt anytime.  It matters not if he gets hurt in this game or the next.  The result is the same.  They are paid to take that risk.  But im not going to argue this again.  No point.  I think they need more work and so does the coach.

 

Ok...so Rocky in movie Rocky...he gets a shot at the champ for the title...it's a super long shot, but it's still a shot. 

 

What would you say if he fought a totally meaningless fight against some schlub who was potentially soaking his gloves in plaster the week before he got his shot? 

 

What if he broke his hand in that meaningless fight and couldn't fight against Apollo?

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Do you have a link?

 

McDermott has challenged exactly one penalty, in which he challenged that there was OPI on Josh Gordon during the week 4 game vs. NE*.  (he lost the challenge)

 

What message, pray tell, was that supposed to send to the team?

He won't respond. One of those "hit ya with a bull ***** post and runs" type.

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