Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I posted this in the thread about the dumb comments from ESPN. But thought it should be its own thread as I am not sure how many people actually realize these things. ONLY 5 QBs in the NFL have more TDs than Josh Allen this year: Lamar - 40 Watson - 33 Wilson - 31 Winston - 31 Dak - 29 Allen - 27 And two of those guys above are the front runners for MVP and every single one of those 5 have a substantially better group of weapons around the QB. Furthermore, since week 5 (after the week 4 NE game), ONLY Lamar has more combined TD's than Josh...where Josh has 21 TDS to only 4 turnovers. Bonus facts: Josh holds the longest streak in the NFL this year of multi TD games. He has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since entering the league despite missing parts or all of 6 games. He is also the highest rated passer in the NFL on 3rd and long He is one of the highest rated passers in the 4th quarter He is a big reason why Buffalo is one of the top red zone offenses in the NFL His top 3 WRs average 5'10" and 185 pounds He is 13-6 since coming back from injury last year in games he started and finished (knocked out of first NE game this year) Bonus fact: We lost 3 of those games literally because of ST (Jets last year, Pats and Cle this year) and one due to multiple dropped passes (Zay and Clay in first Mia game last year during final drive). Final fun fact: Bills are second in the NFL in dropped passes. He is no where near a final product yet and has a lot to keep working on, especially the deep accuracy. But I think he is definitely being under appreciated by a lot of people still around here for what he has done so far, and obviously by a lot of media outlets. Best part is that we have $90M in cap room and extra draft assets going into an offseason where Josh would have already shown a lot of growth, and gained valuable playoff experience. For anyone to be negative or down on him right now is crazy to me. None of us know what the finished product will look like with Josh, but there is substantially more to be optimistic about than pessimistic. Edited December 19, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 28 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I posted this in the thread about the dumb comments from ESPN. But thought it should be its own thread as I am not sure how many people actually realize these things. ONLY 5 QBs in the NFL have more TDs than Josh Allen this year: Lamar - 40 Watson - 33 Wilson - 31 Winston - 31 Dak - 29 Allen - 27 And two of those guys above are the front runners for MVP and every single one of those 5 have a substantially better group of weapons around the QB. Furthermore, since week 5 (after the week 4 NE game), ONLY Lamar has more combined TD's than Josh...where Josh has 21 TDS to only 4 turnovers. Bonus facts: Josh holds the longest streak in the NFL this year of multi TD games. He has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since entering the league despite missing parts or all of 6 games. He is also the highest rated passer in the NFL on 3rd and long He is one of the highest rated passers in the 4th quarter He is a big reason why Buffalo is one of the top red zone offenses in the NFL His top 3 WRs average 5'10"d He is 13-7 since coming back from injury last year Bonus fact: We lost 3 of those games literally because of ST (Jets last year, Pats and Cle this year) and one due to multiple dropped passes (Zay and Clay in first Mia game last year during final drive). Final fun fact: Bills are second in the NFL in dropped passes. He is no where near a final product yet and has a lot to keep working on, especially the deep accuracy. But I think he is definitely being under appreciated by a lot of people still around here for what he has done so far, and obviously by a lot of media outlets. Best part is that we have $90M in cap room and extra draft assets going into an offseason where Josh would have already shown a lot of growth, and gained valuable playoff experience. For anyone to be negative or down on him right now is crazy to me. None of us know what the finished product will look like with Josh, but there is substantially more to be optimistic about than pessimistic. Ravens had that issue with drops either last year or the year before and dumped all their receivers. Brown was in that group, but hasn’t really been the problem here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I posted this in the thread about the dumb comments from ESPN. But thought it should be its own thread as I am not sure how many people actually realize these things. ONLY 5 QBs in the NFL have more TDs than Josh Allen this year: Lamar - 40 Watson - 33 Wilson - 31 Winston - 31 Dak - 29 Allen - 27 And two of those guys above are the front runners for MVP and every single one of those 5 have a substantially better group of weapons around the QB. Furthermore, since week 5 (after the week 4 NE game), ONLY Lamar has more combined TD's than Josh...where Josh has 21 TDS to only 4 turnovers. Bonus facts: Josh holds the longest streak in the NFL this year of multi TD games. He has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since entering the league despite missing parts or all of 6 games. He is also the highest rated passer in the NFL on 3rd and long He is one of the highest rated passers in the 4th quarter He is a big reason why Buffalo is one of the top red zone offenses in the NFL His top 3 WRs average 5'10"d He is 13-7 since coming back from injury last year Bonus fact: We lost 3 of those games literally because of ST (Jets last year, Pats and Cle this year) and one due to multiple dropped passes (Zay and Clay in first Mia game last year during final drive). Final fun fact: Bills are second in the NFL in dropped passes. He is no where near a final product yet and has a lot to keep working on, especially the deep accuracy. But I think he is definitely being under appreciated by a lot of people still around here for what he has done so far, and obviously by a lot of media outlets. Best part is that we have $90M in cap room and extra draft assets going into an offseason where Josh would have already shown a lot of growth, and gained valuable playoff experience. For anyone to be negative or down on him right now is crazy to me. None of us know what the finished product will look like with Josh, but there is substantially more to be optimistic about than pessimistic. Thanks for this... some interesting pieces. Stats don’t tell the whole story BUT it is nice to see the positive side of Josh’s stats. I’m tired of seeing completion% with no context with people screaming he’s no good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I posted this in the thread about the dumb comments from ESPN. But thought it should be its own thread as I am not sure how many people actually realize these things. ONLY 5 QBs in the NFL have more TDs than Josh Allen this year: Lamar - 40 Watson - 33 Wilson - 31 Winston - 31 Dak - 29 Allen - 27 And two of those guys above are the front runners for MVP and every single one of those 5 have a substantially better group of weapons around the QB. Furthermore, since week 5 (after the week 4 NE game), ONLY Lamar has more combined TD's than Josh...where Josh has 21 TDS to only 4 turnovers. Bonus facts: Josh holds the longest streak in the NFL this year of multi TD games. He has the most 4th quarter comebacks in the NFL since entering the league despite missing parts or all of 6 games. He is also the highest rated passer in the NFL on 3rd and long He is one of the highest rated passers in the 4th quarter He is a big reason why Buffalo is one of the top red zone offenses in the NFL His top 3 WRs average 5'10"d He is 13-7 since coming back from injury last year, 13-6 in games he's started and finished. Bonus fact: We lost 3 of those games literally because of ST (Jets last year, Pats and Cle this year) and one due to multiple dropped passes (Zay and Clay in first Mia game last year during final drive). Final fun fact: Bills are second in the NFL in dropped passes. He is no where near a final product yet and has a lot to keep working on, especially the deep accuracy. But I think he is definitely being under appreciated by a lot of people still around here for what he has done so far, and obviously by a lot of media outlets. Best part is that we have $90M in cap room and extra draft assets going into an offseason where Josh would have already shown a lot of growth, and gained valuable playoff experience. For anyone to be negative or down on him right now is crazy to me. None of us know what the finished product will look like with Josh, but there is substantially more to be optimistic about than pessimistic. Alpha this is great, but a minor change, if I may. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Alpha this is great, but a minor change, if I may. Good point...he got knocked out the NE game where we had some momentum and he was driving. I will edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Good point...he got knocked out the NE game where we had some momentum and he was driving. I will edit. Alpha...what if he finished the Houston game last year and the Pats game this year? In a weird way I am glad he didn't finish against the Texans. If he wins that game, No Oliver at #9 this year. ...and sure, he was taking his lumps against the Pats and I love me some Barkley...but given his 4th quarter comeback record i would love to have seen him finish and win that first game. Just think...we would be playing to clinch the division this weekend with an eye towards clinching a first round bye thereafter. Edited December 19, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I wouldn't consider the dropped passes a "fun fact" but I see what you mean. I am very high on Josh. I just get frustrated because it seems like when he starts a game off bad, he keeps it going until the 4th quarter, when, against good teams it's already too late. I'm excited to see how he finishes out this season and leaps into next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Alpha...what if he finished the Houston game last year and the Pats game this year? I a weird way I am glad he didn't finish against the Texans. If he wins that game, No Oliver at #9 this year. ...and sure, he was taking his lumps against the Pats and I love me some Barkley...but given his 4th quarter comeback record i would love to have seen him finish and win that first game. Just think...we would be playing to clinch the division this weekend with an eye towards clinching a first round bye thereafter. I have argued that the biggest impact Charles clay ever had on our team was dropping that game winner in Miami last year..... thanks Charlie. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Yes many positives. Cant ignore how the defense has impacted all of that as well. I am not a fan of giving QB's credit for every rushing TD as a lot of that is playing calling or personnel related thus QB should not get full credit. Allen has been a good game manager since some rocky high turnover games. We are winning with him not because of him at this point given our defense. I am tired of the agendas to either say how great he is or how terrible he is. Why is so hard to accept he is really somewhere in the middle right now? He has lots of development ahead of him still and that is ok. Luckily we have a great defense and can win with the current JA. As history shows defenses are hard to sustain and we will need more of JA in the future. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Good info thanks. Totally agree on how so many in the media are still down on Josh. They should read your post and get educated I think! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Alpha...what if he finished the Houston game last year and the Pats game this year? In a weird way I am glad he didn't finish against the Texans. If he wins that game, No Oliver at #9 this year. ...and sure, he was taking his lumps against the Pats and I love me some Barkley...but given his 4th quarter comeback record i would love to have seen him finish and win that first game. Just think...we would be playing to clinch the division this weekend with an eye towards clinching a first round bye thereafter. Well the Houston game last year was outside the range of games I listed in terms of his record as I went back to when he returned from injury that he sustained in that Houston game. The reason, is that was when Josh really started to ascend and seemed to be a different and better QB than prior to the injury where he mostly was a very raw product. I actually fully believe we win the first NE game this year if Allen doesnt get knocked out the game. Lets not forget, Barkley went on to throw a pick in the end zone on that drive. We had momentum and Josh was starting to come on like he does before he got hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Where is jrober to tell us he is a bottom tier QB and back it with his QBR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: Yes many positives. Cant ignore how the defense has impacted all of that as well. I am not a fan of giving QB's credit for every rushing TD as a lot of that is playing calling or personnel related thus QB should not get full credit. Allen has been a good game manager since some rocky high turnover games. We are winning with him not because of him at this point given our defense. I am tired of the agendas to either say how great he is or how terrible he is. Why is so hard to accept he is really somewhere in the middle right now? He has lots of development ahead of him still and that is ok. Luckily we have a great defense and can win with the current JA. As history shows defenses are hard to sustain and we will need more of JA in the future. Yeah of course, and Bills success is by no means all because of Josh. But most of what I said is about Josh's individual performance. And this is football, no one wins because of just one player (even though fans and media like assign credit or blame to individuals a lot). But I do believe Allen still has had a big hand in a lot of our wins, its not just the stout defense. End of the day, the defense has to do their job...and the offense has to do their part to put up more points than the other team. And Allen and the offense, which has less talent overall on it than our D, have done their part too most weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 For a second year "raw" QB, I'm happy with a 2-1 TD-INT ratio while being top 10 in the league (including RBs) in rushing TDs. He'll keep getting better. Similar progression next year will have him as a lock for the Pro Bowl and us as a Super Bowl contender. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Virgil said: Ravens had that issue with drops either last year or the year before and dumped all their receivers. Brown was in that group, but hasn’t really been the problem here Brown was killing it before Flacco got hurt...once Jackson came in he became a non-factor, mainly because Jackson was a running back playing some quarterback last year. Check out his numbers before and after Flacco. Edited December 19, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Final fun fact: Bills are second in the NFL in dropped passes. I think that's by # of passes, but we don't pass as much. Josh is first for drop % and it's not close (7.5%, second is Kyle Allen at 6.2% then a 5-way tie for 3rd at 6.0%) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Brown was killing it before Flacco got hurt...once Jackson came in he became a non-factor, mainly because Jackson was a running back playing some quarterback last year. Check out his numbers before and after Flacco. That's why I was so excited about signing him to a multi-year deal. Figured Brown would help Josh develop this year, and dominate with him next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Amazing stat line. My question is how has he looked against top D's in the NFL? For example I know Lamar has thrown 66% of his TD passes and only games over 200 yards passing against Miami,Cincy (2X), Cleveland, KC (BEFORE THE D STARTED PLAYING BETTER), and Texans... 2 in losing efforts... the other games it was 150 or less with 1 TD or less throwing BUT his accuracy made them tough to beat as well as his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 My gut feeling is that a 23 year old QB that plays well relative to his peers in Redzone, 4th quarter and 3rd and long must have some special qualities. Winning while learning is not easy and you have to wonder what it will look like once he has it figured out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 In the last 4 games, he has had a total of 7 TDs: 5 passing, 2 rushing and the Bills are scoring 16 ppg. All against top 10 Defenses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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