ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 We made him look pretty ordinary. Someone in the 2nd half thread said he is a great read-option QB, nothing more, and I agree. He looked lost when Andrews went out of the game, and kept throwing to the backup TE who fortunately for them is a good football player. Hopefully, the book on him is now out. Don't fall for the ball trickery, set the edge, don't overpursue, and eliminate the TE's. Force him to throw long into tight coverage. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. 18 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He got the job done for his team today. Worst case scenario though we just made a blueprint for NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. Yep. His field vision was phenominal, even if his running was shut down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. Lol @3 tds 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Agree. He can beat you from the pocket when the RPO and the traditional play action is working. But when you get him into obvious passing 3rd and longs and make him play dropback Quarterback.... you can make him look less than special. The Bills D did a good job with one coverage breakdown where the rarest of things happened - there was a communication failure between Hyde and Poyer which almost never happens. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. I don't think he lived up to the hype at all. 3 TDs is nice, but I didn't see the unstoppable force everybody was claiming he was the past 10 days on this board. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Still feel he's going to flame out within 3 years. He is awful at reading field, going through progressions. One read QB that also has play action as his crutch. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, ToGoGo said: I don't think he lived up to the hype at all. 3 TDs is nice, but I didn't see the unstoppable force everybody was claiming he was the past 10 days on this board. If this was literally the only game you’ve ever seen him play then you’d have a point. He’s been great this year and has helped beat really good teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He threw 3 TD's. We did a good job with him but he still played well and that's without his favorite target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 They run a great scheme. Him and Ingram are magic and tricky behind the line.. And they are extremely good at sneaking behind the linebackers for open receivers. The real credit belongs to their offensive line. The line is the first form of deception for them and sets everything else up. I personally do think this is a fad similar to a much deadlier wildcat with passes. But I do not think they can run this successful long term. I will give credit where it is due though Lamar is a better passer than I thought he could be. Not just today but all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Lol @3 tds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, JerseyBills said: Still feel he's going to flame out within 3 years. He is awful at reading field, going through progressions. One read QB that also has play action as his crutch. I agree. This year will be his greatest year in the league unless he manages to become a better passer. It's possible, but I think it's more likely that he gets figured out and injuries will also happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Oh and Russell Wilson is the MVP. If he doesn't win it then it is a scandal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: If this was literally the only game you’ve ever seen him play then you’d have a point. He’s been great this year and has helped beat really good teams. People keep saying that to me and it's false. It's the 4th game I've seen, and I don't normally watch 4 games of the Ravens in a typical regular season. I stick by it, he's a great read-option QB. He will flame out as teams learn to counteract their deception behind the line. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ToGoGo said: People keep saying that to me and it's false. It's the 4th game I've seen, and I don't normally watch 4 games of the Ravens in a typical regular season. I stick by it, he's a great read-option QB. He will flame out as teams learn to counteract their deception behind the line. Whatever you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: We made him look pretty ordinary. Someone in the 2nd half thread said he is a great read-option QB, nothing more, and I agree. He looked lost when Andrews went out of the game, and kept throwing to the backup TE who fortunately for them is a good football player. Hopefully, the book on him is now out. Don't fall for the ball trickery, set the edge, don't overpursue, and eliminate the TE's. Force him to throw long into tight coverage. he led his team to 24 points and the victory. Time for us to get there this is the last game I will be looking for Moral Victories in Losses. Our windo is opening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: They run a great scheme. Him and Ingram are magic and tricky behind the line.. And they are extremely good at sneaking behind the linebackers for open receivers. The real credit belongs to their offensive line. The line is the first form of deception for them and sets everything else up. I personally do think this is a fad similar to a much deadlier wildcat with passes. But I do not think they can run this successful long term. I will give credit where it is due though Lamar is a better passer than I thought he could be. Not just today but all season. To expound on what you've already said, this is the offense that took Kaepernick to the SB, Tyrod Taylor to the Pro Bowl 2 years in a row and now is setting all kinds of rushing and scoring records in Baltimore. It is most definitely sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: ? Two blown coverage one shovel pass fans two from inside the 5...saying he was decent because he threw 3tds is like saying Allen was decent because no picks. jackson is a very limited passer of the football 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Maine-iac said: To expound on what you've already said, this is the offense that took Kaepernick to the SB, Tyrod Taylor to the Pro Bowl 2 years in a row and now is setting all kinds of rushing and scoring records in Baltimore. It is most definitely sustainable. Then why has Roman been ran out of every job he’s had? He has a great playbook but he quickly runs out of options to expand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. he didn't have near the pressure Allen had today. When he did he looked just as bad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: he led his team to 24 points and the victory. Time for us to get there this is the last game I will be looking for Moral Victories in Losses. Our windo is opening I think he was #3 or #4 on the list of reasons they won. And again, my OP was in the context of all the hype. As for moral victories, there's a time and place for them IMO. I think this game is the place. Sometimes they're lame, I agree. But when you lost to Goliath by 7 points with a chance tie it up, and you're overachieving, then I think it's fine. Against the Steelers, I would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: Two blown coverage one shovel pass fans two from inside the 5...saying he was decent because he threw 3tds is like saying Allen was decent because no picks. jackson is a very limited passer of the football Your take makes absolutely no sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 plays cost us the game today. The Hurst 61 yards for the TD and the Josh Allen fumble. We wasn’t a push over so that’s that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Rc2catch said: Then why has Roman been ran out of every job he’s had? He has a great playbook but he quickly runs out of options to expand it. SF crashed when the defense had all the injuries (Willis never did come back) and couldn't stop anyone. Roman was fired when we gave up 37 to the Jets in a 37 to 31 loss which I will continue to say he was scape goated for Ryan's defense and the Baltimore story is still being written. He's already been to a SB and may well go back this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He managed the game good enough to win the game and he made that one deep pass that helped win it for him. Buffalo did very well containing him and when they put him in obvious passing situations they were largely able to stop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Yea what? He thoroughly outplayed Allen. He did? You let me know when our line holds the blitz, our TE gets blown coverage right in front of Allen down the middle... our TE not only catches the ball but his 250 lbs ass smokes the defense for 50 more yards. Allen had just as many good plays as Lamar did. Lamar had just as many bad throws as Josh did. You let me know when our O can throw the same screen pass 4 different times and have each one go for 10 + yards from behind the los. Edited December 9, 2019 by Scott7975 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: People keep saying that to me and it's false. It's the 4th game I've seen, and I don't normally watch 4 games of the Ravens in a typical regular season. I stick by it, he's a great read-option QB. He will flame out as teams learn to counteract their deception behind the line. Exactly. Literally every game I've seen him in I felt this way. Despite the hype machine behind him , I can't help but trust my eyes and knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Your take makes absolutely no sense. You think Jackson played well I take it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ToGoGo said: I think he was #3 or #4 on the list of reasons they won. And again, my OP was in the context of all the hype. As for moral victories, there's a time and place for them IMO. I think this game is the place. Sometimes they're lame, I agree. But when you lost to Goliath by 7 points with a chance tie it up, and you're overachieving, then I think it's fine. Against the Steelers, I would agree with you. good teams don’t look for moral victories in losses. We are a good team. This game proved it that we can play with anyone and I am done looking for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Your take makes absolutely no sense. He's right. A playground shovel pass and a blown coverage resulted in touchdowns. You can disagree, but don't say it doesn't make sense. Just now, MAJBobby said: good teams don’t look for moral victories in losses. We are a good team. This game proved it that we can play with anyone and I am done looking for them Well there's your moral victory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. He didn’t face the pressure Allen faced and he has a competent OC who knows how to game plan for his skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You think Jackson played well I take it He played well enough to win. Saying the book is out on him or that he’s just a flash in the pan is ignorant stuff people say who can’t stand the fact that Allen isn’t the best QB from his class or isn’t looked at by the media as a star. It’s bitter jealously. It’s the same nonsense people like say about Mahomes. Edited December 8, 2019 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Scott7975 said: He did? You let me know when our line holds the blitz, our TE gets blown coverage right in front of Allen down the middle... our TE not only catches the ball but his 250 yard ass smokes our defense for 50 more yards. Allen had just as many good plays as Lamar did. Lamar had just as many bad throws as Josh did. Our TE dropped a crucial pass that was perfect. Likely at least get 3 that drive. WR had few ugly drops too and a brutal, just atrocious missed p.i really cost us Which is why I'm not too upset , I now know we can beat the Ravens , the supposed top dogs in the AFC. We beat ourselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ToGoGo said: He's right. A playground shovel pass and a blown coverage resulted in touchdowns. You can disagree, but don't say it doesn't make sense. Are we going to criticize Allen for throwing TDs to open receivers too? Or will we just celebrate those as good plays? I already know the answer, I just want you to lie to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: He played well enough to win. Saying the book is out on him or that he’s just a flash in the pan is ignorant stuff people say who can’t stand the fact that Allen isn’t the best QB from his class. It’s bitter jealously. It’s the same nonsense people like say about Mahomes. It’s the same crap take you always make like you have better insight than others on this board LOL what a joke... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: He played well enough to win. Saying the book is out on him or that he’s just a flash in the pan is ignorant stuff people say who can’t stand the fact that Allen isn’t the best QB from his class. It’s bitter jealously. It’s the same nonsense people like say about Mahomes. He’s a read option QB. There’s not a lot of sustained success in the pros but if you think he’ll be the guy who breaks the mold good on you. I don’t see it myself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea what? He thoroughly outplayed Allen. He did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The book on him is out? He threw 3 TDs and didn’t look nearly as rattled or erratic as Allen. So many horrible takes on Lamar. He’s having a great season. 17 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: He threw 3 TD's. We did a good job with him but he still played well and that's without his favorite target. Probably one of the most mediocre 3 TD performances ever. He didn't put together any real long drives. - One of the TDs was after a fumble deep in Bills territory followed by two penalties. And a little flip pass where Poyer left the TE wide open to go after Lamar - Another TD was to a wide open Hurst that had about 50 YAC yards because Poyer left him uncovered. - Last one came on a short field too after a 29-yard punt by Bojorquez (he had a lot of really bad punts today even despite getting nice bounces / rolls) and a 15-yard personal foul penalty on that drive. That's not trying to downplay how great Lamar Jackson has been this year but today he looked pretty pedestrian. He is really tough to get to and tackle though that's for sure. Edited December 8, 2019 by suorangefan4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: Jackson just adds another dynamic when he's struggling to throw the ball. The reason the Ravens won the game. Allen missed throw after throw in the first half, held the ball too long, and still struggles mightly against the Blitz. We all missed you Scott. Not really. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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