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Can Lamar Be Stopped???

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Maybe we can pull a Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan on him on his way to the stadium. Either that or sweep the leg like in the Karate Kid. Lamar will get his and the Ravens will score. Bills will need at least 28 IMHO to win this game.

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I remember when the wildcat was a fad.. It was figured out and never to be heard from again.  Their offense will be figured out eventually.  If not his style of play isn’t sustainable for his health long term

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Even with all of the running, Lamar has yet to take any really big hits this year. Let him take a couple of those in a game and it will slow him down. As good as he has been I still think if you force him into the throws outside of the numbers he doesn't have as much success. He loves to throw the ball over the middle of the field when in the pocket and a lot of his completions come from where he breaks contain to extend plays. Keep him in the pocket and close off the middle of the field as much as possible. 

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5 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

DE's going against the Ravens I just do not understand how they attack the RB when the responsibility of the DE is the edge and the QB.  Countless times I saw Bosa and Armstead crash so hard on Ingram mind boggling when week after week he pulls the ball out and takes off on the edge.  Gap responsibility and as I tell my players I coach quit getting sucked inside.  Mind blowing in the NFL these fundamentals still are an issue.

 

I get they are all playmakers and playing on Sunday, but this is why I like Buffalos chances since they have a real good team concept and individuals understanding their  responsibilities, it really is 11 pieces working together and when one part suddenly tries to do another parts job too holes develop.  Just crazy to see sooo many DE's not understand there first priortiy

This ^ ,,,again!

 

Our DEs have to maintain the edge. On so many of LJ's runs against the 49ers he never had to beat the DE because he crashed on Ingram. I agree that this is mind-blowing, especially because the NFL has seen this exact thing before with Roman and a mobile QB (HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED).

 

I think the Bills should seriously consider moving Ed Oliver to DE for this game opposite Hughes. Trent Murphy and Shaq Lawson don't seem to me to have the speed or quickness to get lateral to cut off Jackson. Oliver does. If he and Hughes could remain disciplined, Jackson's running can be limited and they'll like get some hits on him at the "mesh point" during the option. On option plays, they DEs should be entirely targeting the QB and let the RB be handled by our MLB and DTs (maybe go 4-2-5 and keep a hard hitting safety in near the LOS too).

 

My 2 cents.

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1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

We have a really good defensive coaching staff. There is reason to believe they could be the ones. But if they aren't, it really isn't the end of the world. 

 

None of this is going to change the fact that if we lose next week this board is going to explode with anger and chants of "same old bills" 

Man smh... that's what I want to try to prevent... our fanbase is great! We're having a good time right now... I just don't want to see it explode as you said....if we lose this Sunday. The guy is hard to stop & if he kills us...it doesn't mean our defense is horrible & we should fire Frazier 😄

4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

In their 8 game win streak Lamar has only thrown the ball more than 25 times twice.   They are 2-2 when Lamar throws more than 30 passes in a game.   The Bills need to come out not scared and get up on them early.  If you force the Ravens to throw it they can be beat.

This is a great point! I forgot about this

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The key to beating them, ironically, is to score first.  They are different when playing from behind.  Would love to jump on them early and force him to pass.  Keep him in the pocket as long as possible.

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20 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

In their 8 game win streak Lamar has only thrown the ball more than 25 times twice.   They are 2-2 when Lamar throws more than 30 passes in a game.   The Bills need to come out not scared and get up on them early.  If you force the Ravens to throw it they can be beat.

 

Easier said then done.  Other teams have tried, including the 2 best defenses in the NFL and have failed. San Fran came closest but something tells me if the game wasn't played in a driving rain storm all game, the outcome might have been different and the Ravens would have piled up points.

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45 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

That was earlier in the year & I've mentioned this past Sunday... 100 yards passing, 100 yards rushing 2TD's on his bad day

 

If Josh had 100 passing regardless of how much he ran people here would rip their own skin off, tie it into knots and hang themselves from the ceiling fan, the reaction would be biblical...

 

even if the Bills won the statements would be: it's not sustainable, an injury waiting to happen, we need a legitimate passing QB!

 

so yes, i would say that's a bad day; are you suggesting it's unbelievable they are calling it a bad day?

 

look - they were playing a west coast team, in the afternoon, crappy, wet, cold weather with a starting RB injured and their starting TE just back and probably not 100%, won by 3 only putting up 20 total so if LJ has a hundy/hundy day i kinda like our chances @ home.

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52 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Please .. he's not a GOD.  

You do realize that Jackson’s play has reduced us to quoting old Star Trek dialogue?

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28 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

In their 8 game win streak Lamar has only thrown the ball more than 25 times twice.   They are 2-2 when Lamar throws more than 30 passes in a game.   The Bills need to come out not scared and get up on them early.  If you force the Ravens to throw it they can be beat.

Was thinking about this earlier. Conventional wisdom says the Bills should run a ball control offense and keep Jackson off the field. Then I thought if the Bills come out and score quick that might make the Ravens come out and Throw .

Unfortunately I Think Roman will try to run everything down our throats . Power run game with that nasty O line and maybe even designed runs to Lamar . We are going to have to have our corners play man and Hyde is going to have to live at the line of scrimmage to stop the run. Good news is our corners can handle man. It will be quite a chess match . MCClappy will have them ready.

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He wont be stopped, but our scheme, ball control, and crazy loud fans will affect his play. Buffalo can win this game. Baltimore is coming off of a huge physical battle with SF, while we have 10 days rest. 

Buffalo 28 Baltimore 27

 

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1 hour ago, Mojo44 said:

 Of course he can be stopped. Anyone can be stopped in this game. The better question is: can he be beaten? Of course he can. It will not take long for NFL defenses to catch up with this. I doubt the ravens even make it to the Super Bowl.

Catch up with what? He's quick and fast and a good passer. Has anyone caught up to Russell Wilson...

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1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

This is the sort of hyperbole that kills me.   Is Lamar an incredible athlete, yes.  I would even say generational as far as athletic traits, but he can be beat.   

 

The hyperbole part comes in because he didnt throw for 400 yards every other game, he threw for 400 yards twice in his entire college career, thats 38 games.   He also only ran for 200 yards once, and he never had a 400 passing and 200 rushing yard game.

 

The Lamar stuff is starting to be stuff of legend more than reality.   At some point someone is going to take away his tight ends and make him play QB.   He is the MVP this season, no question but he can be beat.   He was beat quite a lot in college. 

Just like Faker Mayfield and Sam Darnold last season

 

And ....   Mahomes who? 

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12 minutes ago, nucci said:

Catch up with what? He's quick and fast and a good passer. Has anyone caught up to Russell Wilson...

Wilson is 10x the passer Jackson is. Hell, Wilson is 10x the passer he used to be early in his career. Not saying Jackson won't get there, but it's not an accurate comparison right now. 

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Because of their backs and O-line Ravens have a good NFL calibre ground game without Lamar. With him and Roman they take it to another level and best in class. Being himself a great runner he makes the other parts of it that much better. The Ravens O is not unidimensional but their passing game largely (and I would say disproportionately) leverages off the ground game. At the end of the day, great as it is, it is not really a balanced and properly diversified attack. All the pre-draft scuttlebutt about Lamar not being able to throw was nonsense. His arm strength is good but not great. Some question his accuracy but I don't. His ball placement looks pretty good to me. Having said that I see no evidence of him being able to make all the throws and while of course he may improve my sense of it is that there is probably not a lot of upside there otherwise we would have seen more of it by now. In fact we have seen none of it IMO. So while it was wrong for people to call him a running back (or a wide receiver) at this level he is and is likely to remain a running quarterback. Lamar is great at what he does but he, and the Raven's O, is not likely to ever get any better and it is vulnerable because of its necessary dependence on the ground game (because Lamar is limited as a passer). DCs will eventually catch up and I agree with what other posters here have said about setting the edge, bringing pressure up the middle, maintaining gap responsibility and covering the middle of the field (and control time of possession if you can).

Over time if Allen continues to progress at the rate he has he will be a more complete pro quarterback and with a few more playmakers the Bills offence will ultimately be harder to defend. Much as I like Lamar I would not today trade Allen for the league's likely MVP. 

As others have said we probably match up reasonably well with Baltimore. Not confidently predicting a win because they are at the peak of their game but it should be very interesting. Really eager to see how McD and Frazier deal with it. They are pretty good after all. 

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13 rushing attempts for -1 yards and 3 receptions for 4 yards..... Those are Barry Sanders stats in a playoff game. Every player can be stopped. The issue is what you give up to stop that player. To stop Lamar Jackson completely you have to give up the inside run which almost guarantees a loss with Ingram (it’s why they signed him) going wild. Now, maybe the weather helps like that referenced Sanders game. IDK. Eventually the physicality of the NFL will change Jackson’s game just like it did to Chris Johnson and RGIII. Perhaps the NFL will pull back some of the QB run protections (highly unlikely). No matter, Jackson will have to evolve just like Josh, R Wilson, Favre, etc to have continued success. 
 

As for how this team stops L Jackson.... Short of Jackson, Yanda, Ingram, or Andrews getting injured early we don’t stop him. However, if this team plays disciplined football and the offense is effective we can limit Jackson and likely force some turnovers. Honestly, if Allen puts up better numbers than Jackson we probably win this game barring TOs, penalties, etc. 

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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Please .. he's not a GOD.  

 

2 teams did stop him and one almost did Sunday 

 

 

 

Yes, the 2nd best D in the league almost stopped him from rushing for over 100 yards and a TD, 21 1st downs on 62 total plays in horrible weather.

 

And those 2 teams (months ago) stopped him?  The Chiefs were able to keep him under 350 combined yards (they still scored 4 TDs).  The Browns "stopped him" by allowing 247 yards passing/3 TDs plus 66 yards rushing.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Scorp83 said:

I've watched LJ in college, his Heisman year 2016 I think... was one of the greatest collegiate performances I've ever seen!  I mean the guy was throwing 400+ yards & rushing for damn near 200 yards every other game! It wasn't a game where he didn't score 3+ TD's ... he was remarkable.  Fast forward today... I see the same kid.  😄

 

I think I'm more impressed with him now than his collegiate days. John Harbaugh & Greg Roman has built something special around his talents. We all know this... but some of the things Lamar is doing is not part of the design and I think that's why DC's are having a hard time trying to figure out how to stop him.

 

McDermott is really good at what he does...a real student of the game... I hate his clock management but that's a different thread. But he said something yesterday that stuck with me:

"He (Lamar) is just so fast"

 

& that's what you can't teach or defend. LJ never ran the 40 at his pro day or combine. But, there were rumors at Louisville around 2016 that he hit 4.1 just playing around.  I don't know how much of the Ravens many of you watched this year. 

 

But DO NOT overreact this Sunday that our D sucks or our team is about to crumble if LJ kills our D. I'm just saying he put up 100 yards passing & 16 carries for 100 rushing with 2 TD's & it was considered his BAD GAME. I pray we can jus hold him to that.

Just don't overreact people... we're still good. 

Yes.  Check the playoffs last year.

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I have a feeling it might be take a game (a loss) to get a handle on how to defend Jackson. But it would be a big benefit if the Bills have a rematch iagainst the Ravens in the playoffs.

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Even Superman had his kryptonite lets hope Frazier can find Jacksons kryptonite this Sunday given the extra time to prepare. Hopefully he can find enough of a kink in the armor of the Ravens to hold them & Josh will continue to show us his improvement enough to out score them by 1 that's alls it takes is 1 !! 

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