Mango Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: So does Tomlin. Rudolph is not without any blame here. Rudolph got in a scuffle. It happens. Worst case scenario before the helmet swing was probably offsetting penalties to both MG and MR. How a flag wasn’t thrown when MR got hit is beyond me. MG took things to a totally different level. Nothing that happened was worthy of MG’s actions. This is very much a “but did you see what she was wearing” moment for some people. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Could the Steelers, including Tomlin and Rudolph pursued a different course of action that would not have resulted in Garrett's assault. Yeah, sure, but every situation is unique and Garrett still bears responsibility for his violent act. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 that last tweet in the OP is a blazing hot take. ”Easy way to avoid the situation. Don’t throw ball in an unwinnable game with 8 seconds left“ Aka... don’t play football in a football game! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Tomlinson is a tool! Of course it was a teachable moment, how? By teaching them to disengage and walk away especially a QB! Garrett was the ultimate tool, but Pouncey And Rudolph were also Dumb. I’m shocked Rudolph didn’t get a game himself for the ruckus.. whenever you get suspended it’s a teachable moment how prevent said suspension. The one view I saw Rudolph kicked him in the twig and berries, he deserves some punishment here too. I’m not letting Garrett off the hook cause that was stupid, but getting kicked in that location can make a man do foolish things.., 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness. As I said in another post, he kicked Garret in the groin, to say he didn’t do anything is a serious stretch. Garrett lost control and now he’s paying the price for stupidity and a truly reckless act, Luckey he’s not facing charges, but Rudolf was no angel here.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I don't understand why the Browns were even trying to take down Mason Rudolph. The game was already done no matter the outcome of that play. Plenty of blame goes to both sides because neither team were playing smart football at all during those final seconds. As some of you mentioned, just through a hail mary pass or pull a new play out of the book to see if it works. No pressure was needed on the line at all from either team. MG was clearly playing selfish ball by trying to add to his stat line. I understand, the Steelers have owned the Browns for years, so it must have felt nice to beat them down the way they did, but there's absolutely no need to try and kick them while they're down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Gronks hit on Tre White was far worse that what Garrett did with Rudolphs Helmet. Gronk only got a 1 game suspension and therefore Garrett shouldn't get more than 1 game. Sorry, but going at the back of the neck with a metal arm brace on a player who is laying on the ground is 100% worse than swinging a helmet at someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I agree with the substance of what Tomlin said, but it strikes me as callous and arrogant. His players can learn from anything. Have some perspective. The more I hear from him the more he rubs me wrong. Who knows he could be a great guy, and he's obviously a good coach, but I don't like the way he comes across here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: The one view I saw Rudolph kicked him in the twig and berries, he deserves some punishment here too. I’m not letting Garrett off the hook cause that was stupid, but getting kicked in that location can make a man do foolish things.., As I said in another post, he kicked Garret in the groin, to say he didn’t do anything is a serious stretch. Garrett lost control and now he’s paying the price for stupidity and a truly reckless act, Luckey he’s not facing charges, but Rudolf was no angel here.., I didn't say Rudolph didn't do anything, serious or otherwise. What I said was this: It did not cause or warrant what Garrett did with the helmet. Garrett, and Garrett alone, decided to swing a helmet at another man's bare head. When you lose your temper to the point you purposefully engage in an act that could potentially have serious physical (to include lethal) consequences, that is on YOU. Edited November 20, 2019 by billsfan1959 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I didn't say Rudolph didn't do anything, serious or otherwise. What I said was this: It did not cause or warrant what Garrett did with the helmet. Garrett, and Garrett alone, decided to swing a helmet at another man's bare head. When you lose your temper to the point you purposefully engage in an act that could potentially have serious physical (to include lethal) consequences, that is on YOU. You certainly did say that... “To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.” Garrett certainly is responsible for letting himself get triggered into his response. But these aren’t rocket scientists here, they have been trained to be violent for over half their lives. Rudolph was kidding himself if he didn’t think his actions wouldn’t cause a response. I don’t approve of Garrets response, but I understand it. Edited November 20, 2019 by Meatloaf63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Gronks hit on Tre White was far worse that what Garrett did with Rudolphs Helmet. Gronk only got a 1 game suspension and therefore Garrett shouldn't get more than 1 game. Sorry, but going at the back of the neck with a metal arm brace on a player who is laying on the ground is 100% worse than swinging a helmet at someone. in brute force for sure in entertainment impact, with DAYS ON END to discuss Garrett ENDLESSLY, not at all Garrett was in the wrong place and it musta been the wrong time, good riddance young man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mango said: I get the whole MR went for Myles Garrets helmet first. I have 2 thoughts on that: 1. Mason Rudolph didn’t succeed in taking his helmet off and then also did not swing it at anybody’s head. 2. It was a late hit and MG was driving the QB into the ground. Both penalties. The whole thing looked like a scuffle on the ground, that happens sometimes in football. Not a huge deal until.... I am with Tomlin on this one. The throw was made with Garrett within a step. He was so close, withing inches actually, that Rudolph could only make a push of a throw. There is no way that a defender in that position can know if the ball was out unless he can see out his ear hole. He did wrap and then take him down late with a gator roll but, again, the defender could not know if the ball was actually delivered. That's the way to take a QB down without landing on him with his full weight which is a penalty. Garrett hits the ground first and Rudolph lands on top of him and then is rolled to the side. They are then face to face. Rudolph has played an awful game, just gotten rag dolled to the ground and takes exception to it. Mayhem results. I'll bet the Bills defenders have problems with Rudolph too. He seems like that kind of player. Edited November 20, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 don't be a poster boy for demonstrating the integrity of The Shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: Really the only teachable moment here is that you don't need to run a play (other than kneeling) with 8 seconds left and down 2 TDs. Doubt Tomlin learns from this, though since he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. And I'm not excusing Myles Garret at all, I think he was clearly in the wrong; Tomlin had zero chance to win the game and shouldn't have run an actual play in this particular instance. Every week teams with no chance of winning in the final minutes play till the final seconds without any hitches, so I dont see any probs playing till the final secs for extra reps, especially with the defense still playing hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Funny enough, not a SINGLE player-turned-analyst has defended Garrett. Not even some of the dumber ones that normally look for contrarian hot takes. Every one of them agrees Garrett was the one and only one to cross the line. Osi Umenyiora thought the ban was harsh. That’s as close as I’ve found to anyone in the media defending Garrett. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/american-football/50494989 Edited November 20, 2019 by BritBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I have a Browns fan client, came into the office friday morning basically gloating about it, like he was proud of the moment. Yipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Mango said: Rudolph got in a scuffle. It happens. Worst case scenario before the helmet swing was probably offsetting penalties to both MG and MR. How a flag wasn’t thrown when MR got hit is beyond me. MG took things to a totally different level. Nothing that happened was worthy of MG’s actions. This is very much a “but did you see what she was wearing” moment for some people. Not at all, and your rape analogy is ridiculous and offensiveto real rape victims. Rudolph got tackled hard. He went crazy. Garrett over reacted and beat him with his own helmet. On a douche bag scale, Garrett gets a 10 and Rudolph scores an 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: You certainly did say that... “To insinuate in any way that Mason Rudolph did anything to cause or warrant being struck in the head with a blunt object, an act of pure aggression with potentially lethal consequences, is pure foolishness.” Garrett certainly is responsible for letting himself get triggered into his response. But these aren’t rocket scientists here, they have been trained to be violent for over half their lives. Rudolph was kidding himself if he didn’t think his actions wouldn’t cause a response. I don’t approve of Garrets response, but I understand it. Well then why doesn't this happen every game? I've been watching for over 20 years and i've never seen it before. I'm not sure where you're going with this "i understand it", i'm sure everyone can understand being in a situation that would lead to that type of rage. I bet many and all of them for everyone here would be protecting family, etc. Not getting really angry playing a game. i don't know if you're just trying to be ultra-open-minded or what but you may need to re-evaluate what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Both these teams suck and they’re lame just reaching for relevance. We should move on and forget about the mistake called Myles Garrett. The stain of the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, eball said: The only takeaway from this is how embarrassing it is to see and hear Browns fans trying to justify Garrett's actions. I know. One dude said Rudolph deserved it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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