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Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

There is no QB in the world that has no accuracy issues, and the ones you intimate Allen has are overblown.  Allen needs to continue to progress in reading defenses and knowing what his best choices are pre-snap.

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4 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

I am no Allen fan, but they aint getting rid of him next year, no mattter what happens from here on out.

 

That being said

 

The only guy on that list i would like is Minshew...but what cha ya willing to give up to get him? 

 

BTW, what Barkley ya talking about ? Matt?

 

Now, i have always liked Matt Moore. 

 

Fitz is still getting it done to

 

 

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The problem with Fitz is that he comes in everywhere, the starter struggles or gets hurt, Fitz comes in and lights it up for a few games (Fitzmagic), you have a QB controversy and it screws up the team chemistry and/or a young guy isn't getting the reps he needs to develop.  It's not Fitz's fault, but that's just how it plays out, time and time (and time) again.  I am a huge Fitzpatrick fan, but I don't see this plan working out for the Bills.

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Are we forgetting about Andy Dalton?

 

He'll be the started in Buffalo next year, sig it.

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Yes.  I’d go get Dalton.  He doesn’t necessarily spell the end for Allen, but he can get you to the playoffs if the lightbulb never goes on for Allen.  At a minimum, Bills need an upgrade to Barkley.  

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I still think Allen will make it.......when I think of how bad JP Losman was, and how bad EJ Manuel was......Allen is better than either by a lot at this point.  So, cool your jets, Allen is here for at least two more years beyond this....and, by then, we will know.  I shudder to think how long it took Kurt Warmer (two super bowl rings) to mature...including time in the infamous arena league.  What I am saying is Allen has all the tools.....JP didn't have the head, EJ didn't have the arm and had a poor presence on the field.....Josh seems to have avoided those problems.  Yes, he is still working on his mechanics and learning the pro game....but, I think, he will progress.  He didn't play in the SEC or the Big Ten....he played at Wyoming...and, has a little further to come than SEC/ACC QB's imho.

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24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

There is no QB in the world that has no accuracy issues, and the ones you intimate Allen has are overblown.  Allen needs to continue to progress in reading defenses and knowing what his best choices are pre-snap.

Allen has accuracy issues.  A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver.

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Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Josh Allen in one QB room.

 

Tyrod & Fitz split the first three quarters down the middle. Josh comes in for the 4th. 

 

Three men combined into one reliably decent QB

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What a dumb post.  Let’s get Allen some playmakers (I.e., Ceedee Lamb) on offense and buildup the oline before we judgements on Allen.  He needs to be more consistent with his passing game ( especially long balls) but he has all the intangibles that you want in a QB (Smart, toughness, leadership) which is not what we could say for most of the QBs weve had over the years.

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So a QB with all the tools, drive, traits and leadership to succeed who has a winning record as a starter on teams devoid of offensive help is already a bust to some of you?

 

He needs weapons and a better OC.  Brees still sucked at this stage of his career and Allen isn’t sucking.  
 

He’s got lots to work on and keep developing, but he still is dealing with an inconsistent OL and below average offensive weapons around him with an OC who isn’t putting him in the best positions to succeed.

 

Allen has more to prove, but he also is far from peaked too.  This thread is pointless, 0% chance he isn’t the top dog going into next season.  
 

4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Allen has accuracy issues.  A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver.


See every QB ever.  Allen’s biggest problem is our receivers suck at making those catches and adjustments.  

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Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate

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37 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

No love for Ryan Tannehill that doing good in Tennessee?

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Just now, ALLEN1QB said:

Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate

I can't see Cam wanted to go somewhere and be a backup, at the very least he'd want to compete to start. I could see him with the Dolphins, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers (pending Rivers), Broncos, Redskins, Bears or Buccaneers before coming here. 

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43 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

 

So are you admitting you are done with Allen; because we already know you were never on board?

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45 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year.

 

Barkley

Minshew

Newton

Bridgewater (probably no chance)

Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal)

Winston

 

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5 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate


Cam is done being what he was at his best.  And Bills are not where he will go, he is only going to go into a situation as the unquestioned starter, not to compete.  
 

Cam is a bad fit here, he isn’t going to be any better than Josh and Josh has a much much bigger ceiling at this stages of their careers.  

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9 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate

Youve seen him play both in years past and this year? Is this sarcasim?

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I'd like to see us make a serious run at Bridgewater.  Why do you think we have no chance to get him?  We have tons of cap space. I'm thinking after his success this year he wants to start. Who can blame him?  

 

I'd really hate to see us waste a really good D while trying to see if some how Josh can become an accurate passer when the odds of that are like 10 gazillion to 1 he will.

 

I'd also try to trade for Minshew.  Even a first if that's what it takes.

 

 

 

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