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46 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Unfortunately no.  I've just never been on the McDermott train and he's done nothing to change my mind.  He took a good defense in Philly and wrecked it, he had a mediocre, soft, defense in Carolina and he's had a mediocre, soft, team here.  I see so many people talking about culture and character and blah, blah, blah.  Today was a game they needed to win and all their culture didn't do squat.  Their soft defense got smacked around all afternoon long, again, and they still managed to hand them a lead with 4 minutes left.  They needed to make them punt once. Nope.  Barely even slowed them down and they didn't luck out in the red zone the last time.  Needed a touchdown to win the game and they let clock run to obviously play for the tying 53 yard FG.  Best case scenario, they make that kick and then what? Go into overtime with a defense that has let the Browns march up and down the field?  Soft is a culture too and this team is soft. Soft and timid.

 

So fine, keep McDermott and see more of this, because this is what he is.  Or fire him and hire someone else and possibly see something different.  maybe better, maybe worse, maybe the same but at least there is an opportunity to be successful.  At this point?  Whatever.

 

And someone I'm sue will respond by saying they are 6-3!  how do you consider firing a 6-3 coach?!?  This is the worst 6-3 football team in the history of the league and they are in the process of being exposed in a big, big, way and to call what is coming anything more than an epic collapse is fooling yourself.  Who will the fall guy(s) be so we can keep the faith with McDermott?  

It's nice to see some Bills fans having some sense. It's going to be painful as we watch McDermott's career come to an end because it will be long and slow. Culture over talent is not how to win in this league.

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1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Could have saved some draft picks and taken Rudolph

They will lose Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger, LeVeon Bell and Ryan Shazier in a calendar year and STILL make the playoffs.

1 minute ago, london_bills said:

You can't realistically call for MCDS head at 6-3 with a top 3 D. 3-6 more possible. 

If this D is one of the best 3 defenses in the NFL in any way other than meaningless stats I'm the Pope.

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2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

They will lose Antonio Brown, Ben Roethlisberger, LeVeon Bell and Ryan Shazier in a calendar year and STILL make the playoffs.

If this D is one of the best 3 defenses in the NFL in any way other than meaningless stats I'm the Pope.

It's doing better than the offence. The defense is not the main bills problem. 

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10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

No one. They’ll talk about progress and process and culture some more until the inevitable firing. 

I don't want to hear process or culture anymore. You get embarrassed by a struggling 3-4 Eagles team. You almost lose to Miami and today you can't handle a struggling 2-6 Browns team. 

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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I cannot believe (i) Lee Smith was allowed to have two more penalties; (ii) Levi Wallace was left on an island; and (iii) Allen fumbled AGAIN.  Re the last point, but for a fortuitous bounce and great awareness by Feliciano, the story of this game is Allen coughing it up yet again, this time on the goal line.

 

Allen is a knucklehead.  Still has a high ceiling but I’m drafting a QB in the 3rd-4th round if I’m Beane.  Something about Allen is just off.

 

Two plays signified it for me.  Bakers desperation pass to Landry to get them inside the 10, and Allen’s miss to Brown in the last series.   Mayfield gave his WR a chance at the catch, Allen didn’t.

 

Most people miss the point that if Allen makes the routine throws that an NFL QB is expected to make, there would be no need for 4Q heroics.   He’s not there yet, and the progress is very slow. 

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3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

You can't realistically call for MCDS head at 6-3 with a top 3 D. 3-6 more possible. 

When this D had to have a stop with 5 minutes to play, they rolled over and allowed Browns to have an 80 yard drive with winning TD. They suck and Fraizer needs to be shown the door with Daboll.

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1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't want to hear process or culture anymore. You get embarrassed by a struggling 3-4 Eagles team. You almost lose to Miami and today you can't handle a struggling 2-6 Browns team. 


Deserved a loss against the Jets and Bengals also

 

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1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:


Haha, that’s funny. So because it’s his 3rd or 4th read, which you are guessing at you don’t know, it’s ok for him to miss a wide open receiver? Have I got that right? And that’s being objective? Because he might have to rush the throw? He might have to rush the throw on his first read, why does it matter what read it was? 
 

Josh has a problem with his long ball, that’s not ripping into him, that’s an observation.

Once again your lack of reading comprehension comes out.  I was posting an observation.  Looking at  several factors.  I did not weigh in on whether it was okay or not. It was to point out that the other factors come into play.  This is not Madden football.  Real time and quick decisions are made.  Look at the big picture of the play.  If you find that amusing then have a good chuckle. 

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Just now, Nitro said:

Once again your lack of reading comprehension comes out.  I was posting an observation.  Looking at  several factors.  I did not weigh in on whether it was okay or not. It was to point out that the other factors come into play.  This is not Madden football.  Real time and quick decisions are made.  Look at the big picture of the play.  If you find that amusing then have a good chuckle. 


ok thanks, I will.

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Just now, london_bills said:

It's doing better than the offence. The defense is not the main bills problem. 

In my eye they are almost exactly the same.  Neither one makes enough plays in a game for you to beat a good team.  The offense can't move the ball against a halfway competent defense and the defense can't stop a halfway competent offense and they both get absolutely owned by quality.

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Just now, london_bills said:

It's doing better than the offence. The defense is not the main bills problem. 

 

That is a very low bar that has been set.  This defense, the one on the field today, is not a top 10 defense.

I agree with what you said in an earlier post that at 6-3 it is too early to call for McD's head; the organization can't keep doing that and expect to be better than 7-9.  But McD needs to change the way he coaches, as well as what he expects from his coordinators.

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17 point playbook worked again

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3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

That is a very low bar that has been set.  This defense, the one on the field today, is not a top 10 defense.

I agree with what you said in an earlier post that at 6-3 it is too early to call for McD's head; the organization can't keep doing that and expect to be better than 7-9.  But McD needs to change the way he coaches, as well as what he expects from his coordinators.

Mcds defense is holding teams generally to 20 points or less. That's pretty good. If you mean the way he coaches in terms of game day etc then I'm open to hearing that. The record is everything for mcdermott. 

 

The offence is what worries me under mcdermott. 

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12 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

Could have saved some draft picks and taken Rudolph

 

Great idea …. It would be great to repeat every draft, two years after it happened. 

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1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

 

Greta idea …. It would be great to repeat every draft, two years after it happened. 

Or they could stop being dumb the first time around. That would work too.

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56 minutes ago, Chill said:

Mayfield is on a totally different level as Allen. 

 

Imagine if Mayfield had Landry and Higgins as his #1 and #2, and Chubb was getting less than 10 carries a game. And Njoku was leading the NFL in dropped passes. Do you think the outcome of today's game would have been different? Serious question. Because that's what our offense is right now.

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10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I cannot believe (i) Lee Smith was allowed to have two more penalties; (ii) Levi Wallace was left on an island; and (iii) Allen fumbled AGAIN.  Re the last point, but for a fortuitous bounce and great awareness by Feliciano, the story of this game is Allen coughing it up yet again, this time on the goal line.

 

Allen is a knucklehead.  Still has a high ceiling but I’m drafting a QB in the 3rd-4th round if I’m Beane.  Something about Allen is just off.

I’m very confused how any “process” could include a player like Lee Smith. I was a big Allen guy last season, and going into this year. I haven’t seen the progress that so many speak of. Even more concerning is the fact that he doesn’t play smart football. It’s tough to win with a QB like that these days. 

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2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

0-4 at attempts of 20+ yards...all over throws 

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I think we're having two different conversations here. I'm talking about deep shots. He only had 2 of those this game. 1 he missed badly and 1 he had no chance of completing. The only other 20+ yard passes I remember were the drop by Roberts and the one where John Brown weirdly stopped running and jumped in the air.

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2 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

This loss is on Josh and his inability to hit on any deep passes. The two he missed were the difference in the game.  No point in a cannon if you can’t hit anything with it...

Thats honestly your takeaway?! If so, your football acumen seems pretty suspect. Like the idiot who called the postgame show saying he wants to see a VET come and try and make these throws - WHAT?! YES, the deep balls need to come.... the sooner the better, but itll happen. It would have helped today, esp on the McKenzie throw BUT thats like 14th on the list of whats going on. 

When you play to outsocre the other team by a point, then the margin for error is much smaller and when everything doesn't go your way you end up with a game like today.

Plain STUPID things like being lucky they fell for the 1st Allen TD. Is our OC really that naive to think they are dumb enough to fall for it AGAIN?! Thats crap you try in Little Loop - NOT the NFL. Its just a pure WASTE of a redzone play!! Same with essentially the entire construct of the 3 plays prior to H missing his 1st FG attempt. The only shot at the endzone is essentially a throwaway?! GO FOR THE JUGULAR!! 

3rd and short and we go for a bomb that was essentially another throwaway?! Some will complain it was a poor pass by Allen, but he knew he was throwing into double coverage and put it over everyones head to be safe. Piss poor playcall right inline w 3 Gore runs up the middle last week and 3rd and 4 on the last play before the last attempt. A FADE route?! Low % play to begin with and just a safe dump by Allen bc it wasnt there. I guess props to Allen for knowing to be safe with it, but good god its poor playcalling. 

Its like he says to himself 'ok, i know this stuff works but this stuff doesnt so lets see if we can try and get it going' RATHER THAN DOING WHATS BEEN WORKING. 

At the start of the year it seemed as though plays were being stacked and each had a purpose to set stuff up for later in the game. Now its like he has a conservative play dart board and hes just chucking darts. 

Allen makes some GREAT throws and hopefully he is who we hope. 

Sure the fumbles and deep ball need to be fixed.

Yes, Motor could have been involved more.

Of course, if the D makes a stop they win.

Obviously 2 FG change the score.

Having a guy to make a play for the qb rather than watching poor drops.

THESE are ALL legitimate gripes.  

Sadly, they are all down the list because first and foremost the crappy conservative playcalling needs to be fixed becuase id imagine youd win more games trying to win 40 to 16 rather than 17-16. Time and place Daboll, time and place...

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2 MAJOR weaknesses this team has personnel wise are at receiver and pass rusher. Hopefully we can fix that this offseason. Get sick of QBs having all day to throw against us. Also get sick of no YAC. 
 

Coaching wise, Daboll has been a travesty. Constantly overthinking it. Neutering Josh. Josh certainly isn’t free from blame either. I realize some of that is on McD, but I get the sense he’s extremely hands off with the offense. The OC is essentially the HC of the offense. Otherwise, why else would McD not tell Daboll to pull his head out of his a**. I really think he doesn’t do much on that side of the ball. Sounds dumb enough to be true around these parts. 

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