Daboll is an excellent play caller

[transplantbillsfan]

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Even Bill Belichick runs goalline dives. Is he sometimes putrid?

 

Yeah.  Goalline dives are fine, but not 3 plays in a row when you were completely stuffed the previous 2.

 

Daboll even came back to it at least once later in the game and lost 3 yards.

 

I think there was another time they did it and got stuffed, too.

 

Now, if Daboll came in on that 3rd down with that exact setup to run it and ran a naked QB bootleg or told the TE to slip behind the D, then I'd congratulate him on his playcalling, even if we fail.

 

I NEVER like it when you run the same play 3 straight plays after getting stuffed on the first 2.

 

Maybe that's just me.

 

Frankly, I challenge you to find a moment where a Belicheck coached team did that.

[BringBackOrton]

14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Based on McDermott's postgame comments, I have a hunch that it was him and not Daboll who was behind the slam-Gore-repeatedly-up-the-middle-against-a-very-talented-front-seven approach.

A very talented front seven? Are you basing that on the fact they are all NFL players or something?

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yeah.  Goalline dives are fine, but not 3 plays in a row when you were completely stuffed the previous 2.

 

Daboll even came back to it at least once later in the game and lost 3 yards.

 

I think there was another time they did it and got stuffed, too.

 

Now, if Daboll came in on that 3rd down with that exact setup to run it and ran a naked QB bootleg or told the TE to slip behind the D, then I'd congratulate him on his playcalling, even if we fail.

 

I NEVER like it when you run the same play 3 straight plays after getting stuffed on the first 2.

 

Maybe that's just me.

 

Frankly, I challenge you to find a moment where a Belicheck coached team did that.

BB teams don’t run dives 3x in a row because they get in on the first or second try almost always. 

 

If Allen fumbles on a naked bootleg, Daboll would get crushed for getting cute. It’s so obvious.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Olympus said:

Your posts are refreshingly reasonable and I appreciate your contribution to this board. We're all here to discuss Buffalo Bills football and not the validity of each other's passion. I genuinely believe that the people that are mad at Dabol running Gore 3 straight times at the 1 yard line, are the same people that got mad at Dabol for being "too cute" on the 2 yard line the drive before. When we got to the 1-yard line after the catch from Knox, I said out loud while watching, "Just run the ball with Frank until its a touchdown or 4th down.". That genuinely made the most sense to me, and even sitting here with the hindsight of the results, I STILL think it was the right decision. Frank Gore is a savy vet who's a power runner with as good of ball security as we could ask for.

 

 

Oh, and we have the highest offensive red zone efficiency in the NFL halfway through the season. That's near impossible to do with bad playcalling imo.

 

I agree with all this. I liked the first down call at the 2 the first time. Thought it was a good call and absolutely not "getting too cute". I didn't love the 2nd down call (the tap pass to McKenzie as that feels like a tendency the defense can tee off on there) and who knows what the third down call was because it was a bust play once Josh dropped the snap. I liked that series much more than the slam Gore into the line a million times. 

[transplantbillsfan]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Based on McDermott's postgame comments, I have a hunch that it was him and not Daboll who was behind the slam-Gore-repeatedly-up-the-middle-against-a-very-talented-front-seven approach.

 

If that's the case, I retract my criticism of Daboll.

 

And honestly, I've been having my issues with McDermott lately.

 

Last week he should have taken the Field Goal in relatively easy Hauschka FG territory.

 

This week he should have challenged that John Brown DPI.

 

I think there was another play this week involving a FG that was a questionable decision.

 

3 of the exact same play on the Goal line after getting stuffed on the first 2 plays.

 

McDermott is a really good coach, but he's definitely still learning on the job.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

BB teams don’t run dives 3x in a row because they get in on the first or second try almost always. 

 

Exactly.

 

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

If Allen fumbles on a naked bootleg, Daboll would get crushed for getting cute. It’s so obvious.

 

If Allen fumbles on a naked bootleg?

 

When do you ever see a fumble on a naked bootleg?

 

What a weird statement.  It's like you're saying Allen should never touch the ball.

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

A very talented front seven? Are you basing that on the fact they are all NFL players or something?

 

I'm basing it on the fact that Payne, Allen, Kerrigan, and Montez Sweat are all truly elite athletes and universally regarded as blue-chip level talent (Sweat set a combine record for a d-line player with a 4.41 40). On every one of those Gore runs, Payne absolutely destroyed Morse, beating him to the low spot because he's a lot quicker and then blowing up the play.  Minnesota couldn't handle their front seven the weak before either, but took advantage of their edge play and weak secondary. 

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If that's the case, I retract my criticism of Daboll.

 

And honestly, I've been having my issues with McDermott lately.

 

Last week he should have taken the Field Goal in relatively easy Hauschka FG territory.

 

This week he should have challenged that John Brown DPI.

 

I think there was another play this week involving a FG that was a questionable decision.

 

3 of the exact same play on the Goal line after getting stuffed on the first 2 plays.

 

McDermott is a really good coach, but he's definitely still learning on the job.

He would have 100 percent lost that PI challenge. No coach is winning those challenges, and that one, while certainly PI, was a lot closer to legit than many of the ones that aren't being overturned on challenges. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by dave mcbride

[BringBackOrton]

22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I'm basing it on the fact that Payne, Allen, Kerrigan, and Montez Sweat are all truly elite athletes and universally regarded as blue-chip level talent (Sweat set a combine record for a d-line player with a 4.41 40). On every one of those Gore runs, Payne absolutely destroyed Morse, beating him to the low spot because he's a lot quicker and then blowing up the play.  Minnesota couldn't handle their front seven the weak before either, but took advantage of their edge play and weak secondary. 

He would have 100 percent lost that PI challenge. No coach is winning those challenges, and that one, while certainly PI, was a lot closer to legit than many of the ones that aren't being overturned on challenges. 

Such good athletes that they’re bottom 4 in rushing yards allowed and middle of the pack in Y/A allowed.

[transplantbillsfan]

28 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

A very talented front seven? Are you basing that on the fact they are all NFL players or something?

 

https://theathletic.com/1343959/2019/11/01/bills-redskins-preview-which-defenders-buffalo-should-unleash-against-a-beleaguered-offense/

Matt Ioannidis vs. Bills interior

The Bills’ defense has a considerable advantage on Sunday, but on the other side, Washington’s defense is quite underrated. Other than their struggles against the pass, Washington’s defensive front possesses a lot of talent and has kept most games close. Out of their entire front seven, five-technique defensive end Matt Ioannidis has looked the strongest.

 

Ioannidis is a gifted one-on-one player at the line of scrimmage. He flashes the ability to get into the backfield after one move or effective hand usage. Against either right guard Jon Feliciano or left guard Quinton Spain, Ioannidis will win some battles and try to force the Bills into negative situations. In both run and pass defense, Ioannidis helps set the table either for pass rusher Ryan Kerrigan or for inside linebacker Jon Bostic. His teammates along the defensive line, in Jonathan Allen and nose tackle Da’Ron Payne, will make it difficult for the Bills to focus their attention on Ioannidis. If the Bills can neutralize his impact throughout the game, they’ll have a far better chance to move the ball consistently.

24 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He would have 100 percent lost that PI challenge. No coach is winning those challenges, and that one, while certainly PI, was a lot closer to legit than many of the ones that aren't being overturned on challenges. 

 

What?!

 

You thought that play was a legit play by the defender?

 

Wow I couldn't disagree more!

 

It was an absolutely blatant DPI.  It was one that I think would have been overturned.  The defender literally grabs Browns legs as he's jumping for a very catchable football. 

 

That play right there would have been a great test to see if the officials are being honest, because there's no way they could have not overturned it.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

https://theathletic.com/1343959/2019/11/01/bills-redskins-preview-which-defenders-buffalo-should-unleash-against-a-beleaguered-offense/

Matt Ioannidis vs. Bills interior

The Bills’ defense has a considerable advantage on Sunday, but on the other side, Washington’s defense is quite underrated. Other than their struggles against the pass, Washington’s defensive front possesses a lot of talent and has kept most games close. Out of their entire front seven, five-technique defensive end Matt Ioannidis has looked the strongest.

 

Ioannidis is a gifted one-on-one player at the line of scrimmage. He flashes the ability to get into the backfield after one move or effective hand usage. Against either right guard Jon Feliciano or left guard Quinton Spain, Ioannidis will win some battles and try to force the Bills into negative situations. In both run and pass defense, Ioannidis helps set the table either for pass rusher Ryan Kerrigan or for inside linebacker Jon Bostic. His teammates along the defensive line, in Jonathan Allen and nose tackle Da’Ron Payne, will make it difficult for the Bills to focus their attention on Ioannidis. If the Bills can neutralize his impact throughout the game, they’ll have a far better chance to move the ball consistently.

The Browns have very talented pass catchers but their performance this year hasn’t really demonstrated their talent you know.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Such good athletes that they’re bottom 4 in rushing yards allowed and middle of the pack in Y/A allowed.

Have you watched their edge play or any of their games for that matter? 

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

The Browns have very talented pass catchers but their performance this year hasn’t really demonstrated their talent you know.

 

Largely because of the guy throwing to them.

 

The play of the Washington front 7 doesn't rely on someone throwing to them.  Their play up the middle of the defense has been very good so far this year.  It's why Daboll's initial gameplan with Singletary was fantastic. 

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

What?!

 

You thought that play was a legit play by the defender?

 

Wow I couldn't disagree more!

 

It was an absolutely blatant DPI.  It was one that I think would have been overturned.  The defender literally grabs Browns legs as he's jumping for a very catchable football. 

 

That play right there would have been a great test to see if the officials are being honest, because there's no way they could have not overturned it.

No, I don't think it was legit, I just think it was a closer call than some of the absolute muggings that aren't being overturned on review. He got there a second early, but some of the plays not being overturned involve facemasks and pull-downs long before the ball gets there. Literally NOTHING is being overturned, and hasn't been since game 2 of the season. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by dave mcbride

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Have you watched their edge play or any of their games for that matter? 

 

Exactly.

 

@BringBackOrton just isn't getting it.  The interior of the Redskin defense has been stout all year but their edges have been crap, which was why we had so much success with Singletary on Sunday and why it was so stupid to try 3 straight QB dives on the goalline with Gore.

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Largely because of the guy throwing to them.

 

The play of the Washington front 7 doesn't rely on someone throwing to them.  Their play up the middle of the defense has been very good so far this year.  It's why Daboll's initial gameplan with Singletary was fantastic. 

But it does rely on the play of the OL in front them. I continue to contend that Morse and co, a group we invested a decent chunk of cash into, should be able to get a yard on 3 plays. Regardless of the talent level of any front 7 in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Have you watched their edge play or any of their games for that matter? 

For sure not. I’ll concede that lol.

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

No, I don't think it was legit, I just think it was a closer call than some of the absolute muggings that aren't being overturned on review. Literally NOTHING is being overturned, and hasn't been since game 2 of the season. 

 

I disagree.

 

A lot of the "absolute muggings" I could see officials arguing defenders are with the WR and the fact that they at least have the chance to make a play on the ball makes it questionable if they are.

 

On Sunday that defender was on the ground, had ABSOLUTELY no shot at the ball, and just held Brown's legs so he couldn't go up and get it.

 

Blatant and there was no singular excuse for that DB.

 

 

By the way, all of this is beside the point unless you honestly believe McDermott is just being shrewd in not challenging ANY DPIs the rest of the year because they aren't being overturned.

 

Should've been challenged.

3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

But it does rely on the play of the OL in front them. I continue to contend that Morse and co, a group we invested a decent chunk of cash into, should be able to get a yard on 3 plays. Regardless of the talent level of any front 7 in the NFL.

 

Now you're being obstinate.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

56 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Based on McDermott's postgame comments, I have a hunch that it was him and not Daboll who was behind the slam-Gore-repeatedly-up-the-middle-against-a-very-talented-front-seven approach.

 

Interesting.  It may be asking too much, but could you pull out (or at least give the time stamp of) the comments that have you believe so?

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Interesting.  It may be asking too much, but could you pull out (or at least give the time stamp of) the comments that have you believe so?

 

I second this request 

[Tesla03]

no he isn't 

 

if he was our offense would be putting up way more points than they are with how many stops our defense gets per game. 

[Chandler#81]

So, it’s the ‘Haves’ vs the Gugnyites, eh? 

Well here’s a little salt for your Cheerios, G’s; One team stands alone at the top of the stat sheet for RedZone efficiency (read Scoring), and It isn’t Brady & Belichek, Brees & Payton, Mahomes & Reid, Goff, Rodgers or Jimmy G.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

-pretty damn effective traveling over 70 yards to get in the RedZone as well. Yet, they continue to be plagued by penalties and untimely dropped passes. Far from the experienced proficiency of the others mentioned, Buffalo has NINE new players starting on Offense from the start of ‘18. That’s  9. Count ‘em. NINE! Barreling down the field almost at will and punching it their face AND the into the Endzone! They’re doing it with 3 rookies starting, a second year QB and castoffs at OL & WR.

 

jmo, but it’s pretty juvenile to think the OC sucks and should be replaced.

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

only after similarly crashing our franchise QB into said pile

So...yes?

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Interesting.  It may be asking too much, but could you pull out (or at least give the time stamp of) the comments that have you believe so?

I may be reading too much into this but ...

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/11/03/buffalo-bills-beat-redskins-sean-mcdermott-says-team-work-in-progress-devin-singletary-josh-allen/4125094002/

 

How hard is it to gain one yard?

 

Really hard if you’re the Bills. They have been confronted with a third-and-1 situation 12 times this season and have made the first down just five times, gaining only three yards net. Add in fourth-and-1 and they’ve had that situation four times and made the first down twice, gaining just two yards. Not good.

As McDermott said, “and ones” were a problem in this game, specifically. It was most glaring in the second quarter when the Bills failed to gain an inch on first-, second-, and third-and-goal at the 1 — all Frank Gore runs — before Allen finally punched it across. Later, they failed on a fourth-and-1 attempt by Gore at the Redskins' 24.

Allen made a third-and-1 with a sneak in the first quarter, and he was stopped in the same situation on a sneak in the third on the play before Gore was stuffed on fourth down. And then in the fourth, on third-and-1, Gore lost three yards.

In every case, the Bills were bunched together at the line with multiple tight ends and could not win, rather than spread out the formation and attack into wider spaces. 

“At the end of the day, it’s your job to drive the guy off the ball, right?” McDermott said. “So we’ve got to look at that.”

What McDermott and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll really need to be looking at is changing their approach and using more spread formations on short yardage plays. Just ask their own defensive players, which I did.

When safety Jordan Poyer sees the “big people” come on the field on third-and-short, he loves it. “Of course you do because you can kind of narrow down the types of plays they’re going to run,” he said. “Especially if they’ve been running them all game and they’ve been successful. To me it’s always easier to play third-and-1 when they bring bigger guys on the field than it is to play when they spread you out and force you to probably play man.”

Linebacker Lorenzo Alexander said, “It can be (tougher against spread out formations), depending on who the quarterback is and what type of weapons they have on the outside. I think at the end of the day, the core of it is, (the offense) saying, ‘We’re tougher than you and we’re going to knock you off the ball and get this first down.’ It’s mindset football, it’s an old-school way of thinking.”

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

But it does rely on the play of the OL in front them. I continue to contend that Morse and co, a group we invested a decent chunk of cash into, should be able to get a yard on 3 plays. Regardless of the talent level of any front 7 in the NFL.

 

I agree with you, a decent OL has to be able to get a yard.

FWIW I think Morse is playing a bit hindered but not enough to show on the injury report.  He was injured in Week 5 vs the Titans about 1/3 into the game, and showed up on the injury report as "ankle" in week 7 but not last week.  Long had an ankle too, so they're kind of low on options.  But that would fall into making adjustments.

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I may be reading too much into this but ...

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/11/03/buffalo-bills-beat-redskins-sean-mcdermott-says-team-work-in-progress-devin-singletary-josh-allen/4125094002/

 

How hard is it to gain one yard?

 

Really hard if you’re the Bills. They have been confronted with a third-and-1 situation 12 times this season and have made the first down just five times, gaining only three yards net. Add in fourth-and-1 and they’ve had that situation four times and made the first down twice, gaining just two yards. Not good.

As McDermott said, “and ones” were a problem in this game, specifically. It was most glaring in the second quarter when the Bills failed to gain an inch on first-, second-, and third-and-goal at the 1 — all Frank Gore runs — before Allen finally punched it across. Later, they failed on a fourth-and-1 attempt by Gore at the Redskins' 24.

Allen made a third-and-1 with a sneak in the first quarter, and he was stopped in the same situation on a sneak in the third on the play before Gore was stuffed on fourth down. And then in the fourth, on third-and-1, Gore lost three yards.

In every case, the Bills were bunched together at the line with multiple tight ends and could not win, rather than spread out the formation and attack into wider spaces. 

“At the end of the day, it’s your job to drive the guy off the ball, right?” McDermott said. “So we’ve got to look at that.”

What McDermott and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll really need to be looking at is changing their approach and using more spread formations on short yardage plays. Just ask their own defensive players, which I did.

When safety Jordan Poyer sees the “big people” come on the field on third-and-short, he loves it. “Of course you do because you can kind of narrow down the types of plays they’re going to run,” he said. “Especially if they’ve been running them all game and they’ve been successful. To me it’s always easier to play third-and-1 when they bring bigger guys on the field than it is to play when they spread you out and force you to probably play man.”

Linebacker Lorenzo Alexander said, “It can be (tougher against spread out formations), depending on who the quarterback is and what type of weapons they have on the outside. I think at the end of the day, the core of it is, (the offense) saying, ‘We’re tougher than you and we’re going to knock you off the ball and get this first down.’ It’s mindset football, it’s an old-school way of thinking.”

 

Thanks.  I'm not sure I read into it the same way.  But it's clear it reflects McDermott's mindset of what "ought to work" and the mindset of the defensive players is also interesting.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with you, a decent OL has to be able to get a yard.

FWIW I think Morse is playing a bit hindered but not enough to show on the injury report.  He was injured in Week 5 vs the Titans about 1/3 into the game, and showed up on the injury report as "ankle" in week 7 but not last week.  Long had an ankle too, so they're kind of low on options.  But that would fall into making adjustments.

 

Thanks.  I'm not sure I read into it the same way.  But it's clear it reflects McDermott's mindset of what "ought to work"

Yeah, that's fair, but I'm also connecting it with the fact that he's constitutionally pretty conservative. I think that sort of playcalling reflects his preferences. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, kenny3000 said:

 

I won't lie, first 2 times I was like "hand that effing ball off" ?‍♂️

 

I did too.  I was yelling to punch it in.  Glad they did.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Yeah, that's fair, but I'm also connecting it with the fact that he's constitutionally pretty conservative. I think that sort of playcalling reflects his preferences. 

 

I think one thing that is pretty clear from McDermott's press conferences - and this is both a strength and a weakness - is that he is pretty "old school" in his thinking.  If something fundamentally ought to work, and it doesn't work, his idea is that you fix the fundamentals. 

 

Which can be a strength during a long season - athletes want to believe they can get a different outcome somehow, and coaches who can say "let's look at film, you're doing X, we need you to be doing Y and then it will work" can be lifted up much more easily than by a coach who, say, just yells at them for being a bunch of lazy @#$$!*

But it can be a weakness, because sometimes you really don't have the horses (or your horse is injured) and you need to come up with a different approach.  I kind of get the impression this kind of flexibility simply isn't in McDermott's or Frazier's vocabulary.  Maybe I'm wrong.

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think one thing that is pretty clear from McDermott's press conferences - and this is both a strength and a weakness - is that he is pretty "old school" in his thinking.  If something fundamentally ought to work, and it doesn't work, his idea is that you fix the fundamentals. 

 

Which can be a strength during a long season - athletes want to believe they can get a different outcome somehow, and coaches who can say "let's look at film, you're doing X, we need you to be doing Y and then it will work" can be lifted up much more easily than by a coach who, say, just yells at them for being a bunch of lazy @#$$!*

But it can be a weakness, because sometimes you really don't have the horses (or your horse is injured) and you need to come up with a different approach.  I kind of get the impression this kind of flexibility simply isn't in McDermott's or Frazier's vocabulary.  Maybe I'm wrong.

I think that's a good observation. 

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, Dr. K said:

"Toe" the line, not "tow" the line.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 hours ago, stuvian said:

running Gore 3 x in a row on the goal line was real innovative

 

The guy has averaged 4.4 yards per carry for nearly three miles of NFL yardage. I wouldn’t have objected if he ran him on fourth down too. 

 

Who wouldn't bet on gore getting in the end zone on three tries, first and goal from the 1?

 

Gore had a bad day and the Bills got the TD. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Even Bill Belichick runs goalline dives. Is he sometimes putrid?

Not sometimes, he is always putrid. F that guy

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

The guy has averaged 4.4 yards per carry for nearly three miles of NFL yardage. I wouldn’t have objected if he ran him on fourth down too. 

 

Who wouldn't bet on gore getting in the end zone on three tries, first and goal from the 1?

 

Gore had a bad day and the Bills got the TD. 

Gore didn't have a bad day; the Bills' o-line did against superior talent across from them. Gore never had a ghost of a chance on any of those plays. He was stoned either behind the LOS or at the LOS every time. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Gore didn't have a bad day; the Bills' o-line did against superior talent across from them. Gore never had a ghost of a chance on any of those plays. He was stoned either behind the LOS or at the LOS every time. 

 

True- they are stout up the middle.

 

I thought Gore was getting in on third down. That hole closed out of no where. 

 

Bills game plan of attacking outside outside was smart. For most of the game. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

The guy has averaged 4.4 yards per carry for nearly three miles of NFL yardage. I wouldn’t have objected if he ran him on fourth down too. 

 

Who wouldn't bet on gore getting in the end zone on three tries, first and goal from the 1?

 

Gore had a bad day and the Bills got the TD. 

 

That is truly spectacular.

85 yards more to get to 3 all time!

[Turk71]

32 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

But it does rely on the play of the OL in front them. I continue to contend that Morse and co, a group we invested a decent chunk of cash into, should be able to get a yard on 3 plays. 

  The decent chunk of cash invested puts the Bills at 20th in the league in cash spent on offensive line. Right near the spot their offense ranks.

  Hate the 6yd deep handoff when you are trying to gain a yrd or less. Pretty sure 3 QB sneaks would have gotten it done.

  

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Gore didn't have a bad day; the Bills' o-line did against superior talent across from them. Gore never had a ghost of a chance on any of those plays. He was stoned either behind the LOS or at the LOS every time. 

The ‘Skins’ two DTs play with exceptional leverage; absolutely textbook. If a coach ever wants to teach what “low man wins” really means in the game of football, he need go no further than showing the video of those two tackles in short yardage and goal line situations. And they do that to most opposing OLs they face. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Derek Anderson on Twitter told a very handsome fan that the playcalling had been fine, it's all about growing.

 

So there may be some truth to what Wood is saying. Anderson is NOT on the OBD payroll, he also said players who fans claim suck are very poorly informed by the boardcasters. He didn't go into more info than that, so not sure who he was referring too.

[PlayoffsPlease]

7 hours ago, George C said:

Geez...

We’re not Cleveland. Let’s not fire everyone on a whim... Let them develop the team and the players for gods sake. 

Daboll is and should be our coordinator for the foreseeable future. 

The classic backwards understanding of cause and effect.  Cleveland makes bad coaching hires not bad coaching fires. Do you think holding on to Freddie Kitchens is a winning formula for the Browns.   NFL coaches who don't win much don't typically last past three years.  This more or less because they have demonstrated they are not that good at that point.  

[SirAndrew]

6 hours ago, TroutDog said:

It’s not a secret, it’s the SIMPLE fact of showing upcoming opponents as little of your O as possible when a game is already in hand. 
 

It is exceedingly basic and not sure how it’s hard to grasp. 

I’m not intelligent enough to understand. On a serious note, I know what you mean by the game being in hand, but usually teams come out of the gate running their normal offense in regular season games. I don’t understand what Daboll is hiding, please englighten the ignorant. The Pats and Brady have run an offensive scheme that has worked for years. They don’t need to hide what they are. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by SirAndrew

[Chas6969]

Am I the only one who knows this one? Every game since the NE game we have run ff Right Tackle and been very unsuccessful. Yet when we run off Left Tackle we have had good success. When it was 1st and goal I said to those around me, do not run right, run let or wide. Gore and the right side just can't get it done. For the last 5 plus years our lack of success running right is terrible. Left is so much better. I also agree the Sean calls every play inside the 10 yard line. Think about it, the calls tend to be conservative as a DC now HC  is.

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, Chas6969 said:

Am I the only one who knows this one? Every game since the NE game we have run ff Right Tackle and been very unsuccessful. Yet when we run off Left Tackle we have had good success. When it was 1st and goal I said to those around me, do not run right, run let or wide. Gore and the right side just can't get it done. For the last 5 plus years our lack of success running right is terrible. Left is so much better. I also agree the Sean calls every play inside the 10 yard line. Think about it, the calls tend to be conservative as a DC now HC  is.

What the Hell does 5 years have to do with sunlight hours in the day??

[SirAndrew]

13 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Derek Anderson on Twitter told a very handsome fan that the playcalling had been fine, it's all about growing.

 

So there may be some truth to what Wood is saying. Anderson is NOT on the OBD payroll, he also said players who fans claim suck are very poorly informed by the boardcasters. He didn't go into more info than that, so not sure who he was referring too.

Isn’t ones opinion of play calling very subjective though? Regardless of whether or not a guy is a former player, it’s really a matter of opinion. At the end of the day, results are all that matters. Right now the Bills offense is not good. Personally, I don’t put much concern into what fans or former players think about these matters. Results are what matters, and Daboll/Allen have a lot to prove. It doesn’t help much when opinions also might have personal bias. Anderson could have liked Daboll a lot as a person, so he isn’t going to say the guy stinks as an OC, I’ll let his track record speak for itself.