Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 This thread warms my heart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 hours ago, njbuff said: Lay off Oliver. He is a rookie playing a tough position. Donald wasn’t exactly dominant at the start of his career either. Be patient for once. its all a process. Edmunds, Oliver , T Johnson, Wallace, other low draft choices, FAs ... so impressed at how Beane has found these guys... super young and learning/growing. very little cap space tied up. this D is going to be good for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: its all a process. Edmunds, Oliver , T Johnson, Wallace, other low draft choices, FAs ... so impressed at how Beane has found these guys... super young and learning/growing. very little cap space tied up. this D is going to be good for awhile ... not dominant probably, just very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: What.... Donald was great at the start of his career. I mean, he was ONLY the NFL Defensive Rookie of the year, a Pro Bowl player, and named to the NFL's All Rookie Team...totally below average right? I swear, sometimes people don't even think before saying ANYTHING to defend our own players. Also doesn't help that in the past we had a difference maker at DT the year we drafted him...Dareus. He wasn't dominant the first half of his rookie year. And I do know what I am talking about and I am the first one to call out "our own" players if it warrants. Donald was exceptional the second half of his rookie. Oliver is going to have to do a 180 to be in Donald's class in comparison to the second half of their respective rookie years. Point is, people can't expect every rookie that is drafted high to come in and dominate right away. It just isn't in the cards for every rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, M. Wrotto said: I wonder why Oliver hasn’t been given the chance to play Defensive End. There is no mistaking his effort, but he seems to be often overmatched by the hulking Offensive Lineman and has has a really hard time releasing from their blocks. Jordan Phillips have proven to be much more effective on the inside and watching V Taylor a couple days ago I don’t see a great drop off. Oliver is strong as an Ox, young and quick, I think the coaches should give this a try and see what happens. Thoughts? I was one of few here who was TOTALLY against drafting Oliver , NOT at 9 NOT even at 29 overall , an like most here I’ve seen almost all of his games ( Houston) and I was never impressed with him especially the level of competition he was facing , With that said give the Kid a BREAK it’s only been 8 games and he’s actually doing MUCH better then I thought he would , DT is not an position where a rookie can just come in and start dominating , so let’s give the kid a little time to learn and grow , as far as your question goes of putting Ed at DE , I say NO because that would suggest (IMO ) that we’re giving up on the kid , I think they could move him around on the DL if they / coaches think there’s a mismatch that he could take advantage of because of his speed and so on , Go Bills!!!! Edited November 6, 2019 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: According to this board the Bills need to -Move Oliver to DE -Move Ford to Guard -Move Edmunds to OLB If this board is right the Bills really need to start drafting players who can actually play the position they drafted them to play. I agree Edmunds is more an OLB than a middle LB. He just isn't that run plugger you want in the middle. (thinking Chris Spielman here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, bigK14094 said: I agree Edmunds is more an OLB than a middle LB. He just isn't that run plugger you want in the middle. (thinking Chris Spielman here) I loved Chris Spielman, but the days of the guy sitting in the middle just plugging the run are gone .. if the MLBer can't cover the TE , RB on passes and go sideline to sideline on runs .. he will struggle. Think Luke Kuechly not Spielman. This is an older but decent article on the transformation of the role. https://www.theringer.com/2016/8/25/16044526/nfl-linebacker-position-evolution-deone-bucannon-mark-barron-6bd005ab96b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Arm length. He'd have too many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, hemma said: Arm length. He'd have too many problems. This. He’s where he needs to be. Still adjusting to the pros where you can’t overpower your guy or split the double every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Wondering though if part of Liuget's signing was for his interior pass rush, and maybe they can sub in Oliver for Shaq's passing downs, where he's been less than invisible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Can we move him to Seattle for Metcalf or would they hang up on us ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Can we move him to Seattle for Metcalf or would they hang up on us ? You're speaking my love language here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 37 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Can we move him to Seattle for Metcalf or would they hang up on us ? I sincerely hope they would hang up on us. Terrible suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I sincerely hope they would hang up on us. Terrible suggestion. Lol wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I sincerely hope they would hang up on us. Terrible suggestion. One guy keeps making plays though. He’s a seahawk What do you see that I am missing ? Edited November 6, 2019 by Teddy KGB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 hours ago, BigDingus said: What.... Donald was great at the start of his career. I mean, he was ONLY the NFL Defensive Rookie of the year, a Pro Bowl player, and named to the NFL's All Rookie Team...totally below average right? I swear, sometimes people don't even think before saying ANYTHING to defend our own players. Also doesn't help that in the past we had a difference maker at DT the year we drafted him...Dareus. I mean....I really dont have to explain this to you....but they are not the same players? Aaron Donald is the best DT in football.....our rook has the same traits but was not the refined pass rusher Donald was coming out of college he could get to that status....but even if he ends up being a notch below Aaron Donald in the end this will not have been a bad pick. Ppl labeling him bust are short sided and STUPID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: One guy keeps making plays though. He’s a seahawk What do you see that I am missing ? I'll tell you what he's seeing. Pass rush win rates. That's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 23 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The question for me to ppl is what if it takes someone like murphy off the field to do this Taking Murphy off the field would be best case scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: One guy keeps making plays though. He’s a seahawk What do you see that I am missing ? Russell Wilson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Ppl labeling him bust are short sided and STUPID You’ve said this company line in the past in reference to many busts. Its losing its kick. 11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'll tell you what he's seeing. Pass rush win rates. That's what. Thats what the analytics nerds say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: You’ve said this company line in the past in reference to many busts. Its losing its kick. Thats what the analytics nerds say. You dont call rookie players busts.....its common sense. If they end up being busts....so be it.....but to say a player is a bust without even watching them for a full season is just stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You dont call rookie players busts.....its common sense. If they end up being busts....so be it.....but to say a player is a bust without even watching them for a full season is just stupid Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Teddy, Players dont pan out.....it happens....players also have a lot of potential and get better. I think Oliver is def a candidate for that....especially when he has been graded as one of our best run defenders already? He comes to us with insane freak physical ability.....but a bit raw in pass rush tools...which can be taught. You dont label a player like that a bust. If you want to be upset he has not given us production equiv to his draft position....there is an arguement for that. The DT drafted ahead of him has been even worse....this was supposed to be a draft rich in defensive linemen.....we took a DL in that draft. I like that philosophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The DT drafted ahead of him has been even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: One guy keeps making plays though. He’s a seahawk What do you see that I am missing ? You're investing in a guy who has the potential to be a dominant pass rushing 3 tech DT. This investment will pay off; defensive line is a big transition from college because the pro o-linemen are better than anything Oliver saw in college. A WR is a little easier; understand the routes, run them and catch the ball. 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Lol wut If it was up to you, we wouldn't even draft defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: You're investing in a guy who has the potential to be a dominant pass rushing 3 tech DT. This investment will pay off; defensive line is a big transition from college because the pro o-linemen are better than anything Oliver saw in college. A WR is a little easier; understand the routes, run them and catch the ball. If it was up to you, we wouldn't even draft defensive players. I wouldn't draft a DT in the top 10, correct. DE, sure. But not DT. Edited November 7, 2019 by Joe in Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I wouldn't draft a DT in the top 10, correct. DE, sure. But not DT. even though McD love those penetrating DTs? Kid needs time , not all do.but he does. let us be gracious enough to allow him a season or so. Edited November 7, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I think Oliver just needs to bulk up into the low 300 range. Oliver is physically gifted but he is a very young rookie and a starter. It wouldn’t surprise me to see slight improvements in his game as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Wasnt foolish when it was said about Zay ✊? Maybe you can can talk to coach and ask him for more PT. The bust-o-meter is picking up some signals. Hasn't Zay been good in Oakland? He is not a bust just a guy in wrong system. Bust is out of league in three years and Zay will be in league for 8 years or more. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.silverandblackpride.com/platform/amp/2019/11/4/20947559/week-9-snap-counts-zay-jones-leads-all-offensive-weapons-in-snaps&ved=2ahUKEwjevOzbkdflAhUQbKwKHYfHAjkQiJQBMAJ6BAgCEAM&usg=AOvVaw2ZsY4B9VZ8XKV_EIigbTzW&cf=1 55 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I think Oliver just needs to bulk up into the low 300 range. Oliver is physically gifted but he is a very young rookie and a starter. It wouldn’t surprise me to see slight improvements in his game as the season goes on. How does one bulk up a dude who is already 285? How many wings? 200 a night? ? Edited November 7, 2019 by Buffalo Timmy Added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Snap counts ^^ ??? He catch any footballs ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Snap counts ^^ ??? He catch any footballs ? zay is a marginal 4 in oakland and that’s most likely where he’ll stay, barring the guys ahead of him getting all 6 of their knees blown out. Oliver, I obviously have higher hopes for. We’ll see. But if Phillips is playing better right now Phillips should play. And that doesn’t make Oliver a bust (yet.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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