QB A vs QB B

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This is a pinnable comment if I ever saw one...

 

 

 

I really miss the signature feature.

 

[Gugny]

47 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I really miss the signature feature.

 

 

Among other things, my signature contained the @DC Tom quote that made me laugh the hardest.  He told @Meark: "Go eat your eggless mayonnaise."  I don't know why, but it killed me.

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I really miss the signature feature.

 

 

I did find those entertaining to read.   I even remember one poster who for the longest time had a sig about how excited he was to see how EJ would do under Rex Ryan and Greg Roman

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Nice guy though  

 

 

Point to one tree he ever planted...

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, Bandito said:

I was being sarcastic and ready for the Woke people on here to say it. Check out what the Undefeated is doing: Chronicling what is going on with black QBs in the league. Rush Limbaugh said the media wants black QBs to succeed back in the day and got fired for it. He was 100000% right

Got it. At the time , I thought Limbaugh was full of it. Today? He’d probably be right. The media nonsense has really gone off the rails the few years and it’s out of control now. 

[C.Biscuit97]

57 minutes ago, Bandito said:

I was being sarcastic and ready for the Woke people on here to say it. Check out what the Undefeated is doing: Chronicling what is going on with black QBs in the league. Rush Limbaugh said the media wants black QBs to succeed back in the day and got fired for it. He was 100000% right

Great point.  The only reason Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Jackson are good is because of the media.

 

these borderline racist takes are embarrassing for non racist Bills fans.  Why are they allowed on this board? Is that pill popping, fat slob Rush still fighting the war on drugs?

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Great point.  The only reason Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Jackson are good is because of the media.

 

these borderline racist takes are embarrassing for non racist Bills fans.  Why are they allowed on this board? Is that pill popping, fat slob Rush still fighting the war on drugs?

Ridiculous interpretation of discussion. Who ever said the reason any player is good is due to the media ? No one, ( and if they did, they’d be an idiot). However, the media today is obsessed with race and assumes that anyone who isn’t a minority is racist. We don’t care about a players race, only if they can play or not. They don’t stop bringing up the subject and it’s beyond tiresome. 

 

                Bandito : Look at media outlet A. They’re writing about what a group of NFL QBs are doing, but only 

                 those of a certain racial background. 

 

                 Boat : That’s ridiculous. The media obsession with race is off the rails. Does everything, even enter

                  -tainment have to come back to this ? 

 

                  C Bisc : Bills fans are such racists. It’s embarrassing. 

                   

Edited October 2, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[C.Biscuit97]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Ridiculous interpretation of discussion. Who ever said the reason any player is good is due to the media ? No one, ( and if they did, they’d be an idiot). However, the media today is obsessed with race and assumes that anyone who isn’t a minority is racist. We don’t care about a players race, only if they can play or not. They don’t stop bringing up the subject and it’s beyond tiresome. 

Genius, you and that other dork brought up race.  My favorite part of the race debates is the losers who just complain about how much race is talked about yet constantly bring it up. Everything in your silly post is strawmAn arguments.  Yeah, all media thinks everyone who isn’t a minority. How do people like you exist with this silly mindset?  Yeah, the media is out to get you.  They are holding you back!

 

and that fat slob Rush (a hypocrite, drug abuser who failed out of college) said McNabb was a media creation.  He is a borderline HOfer (he won’t make it but he was very good) who had better numbers than Kelly across the board.  Why anyone would quote that moron is beyond me. 

 

And why is it even being discussed in this thread?  Oh yeah, the guys who complain about race being too involved brought it up. Hypocrisy. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by C.Biscuit97

[Boca BIlls]

EJ had slow eyes, Josh doesn't 

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Genius, you and that other dork brought up race.  My favorite part of the race debates is the losers who just complain about how much race is talked about yet constantly bring it up. Everything in your silly post is strawmAn arguments.  Yeah, all media thinks everyone who isn’t a minority. How do people like you exist with this silly mindset?  Yeah, the media is out to get you.  They are holding you back!

 

and that fat slob Rush (a hypocrite, drug abuser who failed out of college) said McNabb was a media creation.  He is a borderline HOfer (he won’t make it but he was very good) who had better numbers than Kelly across the board.  Why anyone would quote that moron is beyond me. 

 

And why is it even being discussed in this thread?  Oh yeah, the guys who complain about race being too involved brought it up. Hypocrisy. 

Jesus. You know you can buy ruffled panties. You don’t have to do it yourself.

Calm Down.

[Gugny]

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Genius, you and that other dork brought up race.  My favorite part of the race debates is the losers who just complain about how much race is talked about yet constantly bring it up. Everything in your silly post is strawmAn arguments.  Yeah, all media thinks everyone who isn’t a minority. How do people like you exist with this silly mindset?  Yeah, the media is out to get you.  They are holding you back!

 

and that fat slob Rush (a hypocrite, drug abuser who failed out of college) said McNabb was a media creation.  He is a borderline HOfer (he won’t make it but he was very good) who had better numbers than Kelly across the board.  Why anyone would quote that moron is beyond me. 

 

And why is it even being discussed in this thread?  Oh yeah, the guys who complain about race being too involved brought it up. Hypocrisy. 

Well, he brought up a light hearted joke about what a nonsensical response to the original discussion might be.. I misinterpreted it as serious, and he explained it to me. I’m no Limbaugh fan, ( never was) but it’s a fact about the media, even sports media today. It gets old, and some of us vent about it. Maybe the media doesn’t bother you, that’s fine. Nothing wrong with others pointing out their hypocrisy, obsession and bias, though. Jumping into and twisting a conversation between two posters to fit your narrative ? Not fine. I’m done with this discussion. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by Boatdrinks

[Mango]

Since we are playing this game...
 

STRENGTHS

 Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though he?s throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.

WEAKNESSES

 Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy ? short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

BOTTOM LINE

 As gifted as any quarterback in the class, the physically imposing has a chance to shoot up this list using his strong arm and mobility. Scouts appreciate his leadership qualities and toughness , and hope he can improve on his consistency. decision-making and accuracy drop in the face of pressure, but has the velocity and mobility teams look for in a project quarterback.

[prissythecat]

30 minutes ago, Mango said:

Since we are playing this game...
 

STRENGTHS

 Physically imposing passer. Throws from the shotgun formation quite often, but is also effective on play action. Flashes the velocity to stretch the field and throw in tight spaces between defenders and on the sideline. Good athlete with the mobility to step up in the pocket to avoid pressure and take advantage of openings to pick up first downs with his feet. Quick release, though it often looks as though he?s throwing darts on shorter throws. Intelligent, high character team leader.

WEAKNESSES

 Gives opponents too many chances for turnovers by forcing throws into coverage trying to make a play. Area code accuracy ? short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven, as well. Gets happy feet under pressure, spins to the outside to avoid the rush. Inconsistent recognizing blitz. Must step into his throws more consistently to fully utilize his arm strength.

BOTTOM LINE

 As gifted as any quarterback in the class, the physically imposing has a chance to shoot up this list using his strong arm and mobility. Scouts appreciate his leadership qualities and toughness , and hope he can improve on his consistency. decision-making and accuracy drop in the face of pressure, but has the velocity and mobility teams look for in a project quarterback.

 

If thats who i think it is ,  I can shorten that.

 

Strengths

 

Strong Arm.   Better than average mobility

 

Weaknesses

 

Poor accuracy.   Hospitality tents should be afraid of him.    Cannot read a defense .   Has the pocket presence of Bambi.   Runs lack authority.   Often looks more like a headless chicken when he takes off with the ball .   

 

Bottom Line

 

Massive project.  Likely would be a decent backup if his accuracy and ability to dissect a defense can be improved.

[Meark]

On 10/1/2019 at 1:50 PM, Gugny said:

 

Among other things, my signature contained the @DC Tom quote that made me laugh the hardest.  He told @Meark: "Go eat your eggless mayonnaise."  I don't know why, but it killed me.

 

Best foods now makes a really good eggless mayo BTW.. LOL  

 

Or should I say sandwich spread? Guess it's not really mayo without eggs. 

 

Edited October 3, 2019 by Meark

[Mango]

2 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

If thats who i think it is ,  I can shorten that.

 

Strengths

 

Strong Arm.   Better than average mobility

 

Weaknesses

 

Poor accuracy.   Hospitality tents should be afraid of him.    Cannot read a defense .   Has the pocket presence of Bambi.   Runs lack authority.   Often looks more like a headless chicken when he takes off with the ball .   

 

Bottom Line

 

Massive project.  Likely would be a decent backup if his accuracy and ability to dissect a defense can be improved.

 

This made me laugh out loud. 

 

Point is, the original pre-draft right up, really is not all that different than JA, and both tested very similarly at the combine. Their strengths and weaknesses are pretty similar. 

 

EJ

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 237

Arms: 35"

Hands:  10 3/8"

40: 4.65

Veritcal: 34.0"

Broad Jump: 118"

3 Cone: 7.08"

Shuttle: 4.21"

 

JA

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 237 lbs

Arms: 33 1/4"

Hands:  10 1/8"

40: 4.75

Vertical: 33.5"

Broad Jump: 119"

3 Cone: 6.9"

Shuttle: 4.4"

 

 

[dickleyjones]

On 9/30/2019 at 9:26 AM, Dan Darragh said:

I said on another thread that Allen is beginning to look like EJ 2.0.  I wish I was wrong.

Completely different players. 

[Gugny]

50 minutes ago, Meark said:

 

Best foods now makes a really good eggless mayo BTW.. LOL  

 

Or should I say sandwich spread? Guess it's not really mayo without eggs. 

 

 

LMAO!!!  This made my day!

[uticaclub]

On 10/2/2019 at 12:53 PM, Gugny said:

Are those suppose to be panties in a bunch?

[Gugny]

On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 12:51 PM, Chandler#81 said:

Jesus. You know you can buy ruffled panties. You don’t have to do it yourself.

Calm Down.

 

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Are those suppose to be panties in a bunch?

 

Please see above.

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Are those suppose to be panties in a bunch?

 

Is it just me, or do those look like the legs of a man?

[CincyBillsFan]

On 9/30/2019 at 10:30 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

So we realize the Pats secondary is elite and got the best of Allen. Here's a big question for me...… there were a handful(not many, but a couple) of plays where he had a TON of time in the pocket and didn't pull the trigger. I have to wonder if everyone was blanketed or if he just didn't see what he needed to see. I really wanna see him nail some chunk throws in that those situations going forward against lessor secondary's.... the fan in me is hoping it was just the pats defense covering THAT good.

 

On the broadcast Fouts showed replays of a couple of those plays and our receivers looked to be blanketed.  Where Allen missed "open" receivers appeared to be on the quick throws where he opted for the deeper passes.  On the plays where he moved around NO ONE seemed to get open - which is its own problem.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Is it just me, or do those look like the legs of a man?

Well i did model the ruffled panties

[CincyBillsFan]

On 9/30/2019 at 1:36 PM, OrediggerPoke said:

 

Honestly, I am starting to sour on a lot of the Buffalo fans with the constant Allen negativity on here.  The dude is a competitor.  He is going to make mistakes.  He is going to have his struggles.  But I don't give a *****, ask me the one QB in the NFL that I want in the 4th quarter to lead my team back and I am taking Josh Allen.  Bills beat the Patriots if Josh Allen is on the field at the end of the game.  Plain and Simple.

 

I'm starting to get there to OrediggerPoke.  It's like they're just waiting for Allen to screw up so they can say "I told you so".  Do these people not realize that if Allen is in fact a bust the Bills are set back by 3 - 5 years? 

 

To be clear I'm not saying people should view everything Allen does through rose colored glasses.  Criticism is clearly warranted on some parts of his game.  But folks have to maintain perspective when talking about a young QB who has about one season worth of games under his belt.

 

I do know this if the Bills give up on Allen to soon, and IMO that means less then 3 seasons, we're looking at a San Diego/Brees situation.  Luckily for us I think the Bills brain-trust is way to smart for this. 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[CincyBillsFan]

On 10/1/2019 at 2:16 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Peyton joined a 1-15 team.  Allen joined a team coming off a playoff berth that had the 2nd best defense in the nfl.  There were also completely different rules when Manning was a rookie. Not exactly apples to apples.

 

 

Sure none of these are perfect apples to apples comparisons but:

 

*  Buffalo was a playoff team in name only in 2017.  Backing in on a miracle win by Cincy and then laying an offensive egg the size of the rock of Gibraltar the next week at Jacksonville was hardly an endorsement of that teams skill.

 

*  In fact I suspect that the offensive talent around Allen last year was every bit as bad as the offensive talent around Manning in his 1st year.  We were not a 1 - 15 team because of our defense. 

 

 

 

On 10/1/2019 at 3:01 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’d rather have less 4th quarter comebacks and games that are blowouts. ?

 

So would I.  But the 4th quarter comebacks tell you something good about a young QB like Allen.

On 10/1/2019 at 3:27 PM, jrober38 said:

 

Woods and Goodwin were rookies. TJ Graham was actually our #3 receiver when EJ was a rookie. Scott Chandler was our leading receiver his rookie year. 

 

Watkins came in Manuel's 2nd season. 

 

But it's fair to say that Chandler was way better then Clay was last year.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 10/1/2019 at 3:55 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:

Will you nitwits stop comparing Josh Allen to every ***** former QB of the Bills?  Jesus Christ you guys are so out of control.  Take some Midol

 

Damn!  And here I was just about to post how Allen reminds me of Jack Kemp!  

[uticaclub]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Is it just me, or do those look like the legs of a man?

I thought that was part of the joke

[Dan Darragh]

On 10/3/2019 at 9:04 PM, dickleyjones said:

Completely different players. 

 

Thanks for the insight.

[dickleyjones]

1 hour ago, Dan Darragh said:

 

Thanks for the insight.

there is no insight to be found...

[fansince88]

On 9/30/2019 at 8:58 AM, ******* said:

Quarterback A: 248-451, 2,977 yards, 6.6 yards per attempt, 13 touchdowns, 18 interceptions, 13 fumbles, 8-7 record.

 

Quarterback B: 256-437, 2,810 yards, 6.4 yards per attempt 16 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 7 fumbles, 6-8 record

 

 

guess who 

Who has bigger hands?

On 10/3/2019 at 5:29 PM, Gugny said:

 

Is it just me, or do those look like the legs of a man?

I think it depends on what you are imagining.  Whatever your mind is focused on is what you see. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 9/30/2019 at 6:26 AM, Dan Darragh said:

I said on another thread that Allen is beginning to look like EJ 2.0.  I wish I was wrong.

 

 

You are wrong.

 

Allen has been trending in the right direction ever since coming back from injury and finishing the final six games of the season last year. He had one terrible game last week against a historically great defense. One game does not make a season or a career. 

 

When did EJ Manuel ever improve? Ever show promise? I could be wrong but I don't think there was any point EJ's career where we could break down his starts in splits and see improvement from his first 6 games to his last 8. We can with Allen.  

 

And none of this even considers what they bring with their athleticism. EJ was not an athlete like Allen is. If Allen did not have his athleticism and those talents that he brings to the game he would not be as good of a QB. But he does so that is a moot point.

On 9/30/2019 at 6:42 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

My only counter to that would be is Allen benefits from one of the best defenses in the nfl.  Allen would have much worse W/L if Arizona drafted him.  Allen gets more chances to “win” games because the D is awesome (?).  

 

There is some truth to that but heck Russell Wilson was already on a hall of fame trajectory before he became a legitimate franchise QB with the defenses he had in Seattle which were even better than the one here in Buffalo. There is no rule that says he can't win now, gain experience and become the legitimate franchise QB we want in the future down the road. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 10/3/2019 at 10:57 AM, Mango said:

 

This made me laugh out loud. 

 

Point is, the original pre-draft right up, really is not all that different than JA, and both tested very similarly at the combine. Their strengths and weaknesses are pretty similar. 

 

 

The biggest difference is Josh Allen far exceeded everyone's expectations as an athlete on the field. Even Beane and McDermott probably didn't realize he was THIS GOOD running with the ball. On the other hand, EJ was underwhelming as a runner and did not meet expectations. 

 

As others have mentioned, EJ may have had slower eyes than Allen too. Something Allen still needs to work on himself. The only thing EJ has Allen beat on is EJ won't throw a ton of picks trying to play hero ball, but that also means EJ is very unlikely to end a game in the hero roll. Where as Allen has already played that roll several times in his young career.