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Now this is some real dicey stuff here...i was never worried about the pissing match DTV was in during the summer, knew football would prevail and require a deal.

 

But now Disney, who is starting their own streaming service...now they just might have a much stronger negotiating stance. I think you can buy ESPN ala cart..can anyone confirm that?

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-abc-and-other-disney-owned-channels-could-be-pulled-from-directv-u-verse-and-other-att-platforms-as-early-as-friday-night.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Now this is some real dicey stuff here...i was never worried about the pissing match DTV was in during the summer, knew football would prevail and require a deal.

 

But now Disney, who is starting their own streaming service...now they just might have a much stronger negotiating stance. I think you can buy ESPN ala cart..can anyone confirm that?

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-abc-and-other-disney-owned-channels-could-be-pulled-from-directv-u-verse-and-other-att-platforms-as-early-as-friday-night.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Wow!

otherwise, I got nothin’..

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I can do without Monday night football for a long time........since the Bills are not on there this year.  (DirectV customer here)

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I view this rather simply as a fan and as a consumer.  Anytime the Bills are on ESPN, which I can't imagine would be more than 1 game a season, I'll subscribe to their service for that month.  Once that month has elapsed, I'll walk away and cancel.  College football and basketball fans, as well as MLB fans, can do something similar during their seasons.

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

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Sounds like the whole dynamic underlying the way the NFL is televised is about to blow up.

 

I think that is good for most fans.  Definitely good for me.

 

 

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I view this rather simply as a fan and as a consumer.  Anytime the Bills are on ESPN, which I can't imagine would be more than 1 game a season, I'll subscribe to their service for that month.  Once that month has elapsed, I'll walk away and cancel.  College football and basketball fans, as well as MLB fans, can do something similar during their seasons.

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

Well yeah, but, uh, it's the live sports that make ESPN and its family of channels indispensable for me.

 

I like watching NFL games that don't involve the Bills and I like watching sports in general.  You never know what you might want to see on ESPN, including college football games, other random stuff, and most importantly for me, F1 motor racing.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

I view this rather simply as a fan and as a consumer.  Anytime the Bills are on ESPN, which I can't imagine would be more than 1 game a season, I'll subscribe to their service for that month.  Once that month has elapsed, I'll walk away and cancel.  College football and basketball fans, as well as MLB fans, can do something similar during their seasons.

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

I think their live sports coverage is horrible too! If you watch ESPN through a streaming service (I use Youtube TV) commercial breaks are the worst with their static ESPN logo playing for minutes at a time with cringe-worthy music. 

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8 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

I prefer their interface for fantasy sports too, but that's about it.

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23 minutes ago, alton said:

I think their live sports coverage is horrible too! If you watch ESPN through a streaming service (I use Youtube TV) commercial breaks are the worst with their static ESPN logo playing for minutes at a time with cringe-worthy music. 

 

I'll defend their tennis coverage. It's outstanding.

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32 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

I view this rather simply as a fan and as a consumer.  Anytime the Bills are on ESPN, which I can't imagine would be more than 1 game a season, I'll subscribe to their service for that month.  Once that month has elapsed, I'll walk away and cancel.  College football and basketball fans, as well as MLB fans, can do something similar during their seasons.

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

 

 

Agree, they have show after show of sports "experts" all screaming about the same things.  After the "Summer of Kapernick", where probably half the dialogue was about Colin I gave up on ESPN.  How many hours did they devote today to Antonio brown?

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maybe someday people won't have to apply online and hope they are among the chosen few who are allowed the honor of purchasing Sunday Ticket.

 

Just do what every other freaking league does: offer the package on multiple platforms and stop screwing around with the dish. NFL does that purposely to limit the number of people who can get it. They DO NOT want it on cable, where anyone can get it without an application and kissing the ring of a garbage company offering a garbage product. 

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Tell me when i can buy individual games on Prime or Hulu, and then I’ll be interested. This whole monopoly that DirecTV has with the NFL is just such a wasted effort. Proprietary deals are irrelevant in today’s economy. You make more money offering the same product individually for more money. It’s basic math. 

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36 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

I view this rather simply as a fan and as a consumer.  Anytime the Bills are on ESPN, which I can't imagine would be more than 1 game a season, I'll subscribe to their service for that month.  Once that month has elapsed, I'll walk away and cancel.  College football and basketball fans, as well as MLB fans, can do something similar during their seasons.

 

ESPN is garbage outside of live sports.  I honestly can't think of anyone I know that would pay for their original "content".

Yeah, I like to watch too many live sports to be cancelling ESPN. I also like to be able to get up and watch highlights in the morning before work. I'll stick with Comcast. I watch all of the sporting events I can't see on TV via online anyway. 

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I miss ESPN for college football and MNF - but i do have my friend logged in on my xbox.  I end up playing football on saturdays half of the fall anyway so i watch games at the bar.

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27 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Do people still watch ESPN?

Quote of the year, thanks ha ha! I love the old guys!

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50 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Tell me when i can buy individual games on Prime or Hulu, and then I’ll be interested. This whole monopoly that DirecTV has with the NFL is just such a wasted effort. Proprietary deals are irrelevant in today’s economy. You make more money offering the same product individually for more money. It’s basic math. 

 

I am hoping that this will be the case next season.  DTV is losing hundreds of thousands of customers by the quarter.  They have removed CBS, NFL Network from my programming and the only reason I am keeping it for the next 4 months is the Sunday Ticket.  If/When they lose the Ticket they are bound to implode.  At the moment they don't seem to interested in retaining their customers, as many have indicated in the other thread about DTV.

 

Can't wait to be able to order single games a la carte

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It's just another carriage agreement squabble.  Apparently, the ESPN/Disney carry agreements purchased several years ago by DTV are up September 30th.  Hence, the sabre rattling by both sides, not unlike the CBS/ABC debacle that many DTV customers encountered this year.

 

My DTV complaints are well documented on this forum but years ago, the station blackouts were usually commonplace on cable and DTV seemed to avoided these persistent battles.  Now, DTV seems to have fallen in-line with their cable brethren and blacked out channels if agreements aren't reached.

 

I'll say this though in a sort of veiled defense of the satellite and cable operators: ESPN, and the ESPN family of channels, are by far the most expensive for operators to broadcast.  The cost of live sports has skyrocketed in recent years, to the point where these carriage agreements become financially unstable.  When the agreements are up, ESPN needs to recoup their financial investments, to the tune of jacking up prices to never before seen heights.

 

What's the ultimate solution?  Maybe the ESPNs of the world stop being so reckless in their negotiations with the various leagues (BTW, ESPN is paying the NFL more for MNF than NBC is paying the NFL for SNF).  What it may ultimately come down to, but this is years away, is that these networks stream their own product without carriage agreements, for example ABC or CBS stream independent of any satellite or cable carrier.  Networks will miss the carrier revenue but the relationships with the cable and satellite behemoths are reaching a price point that will soon be untenable.  

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47 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’m waiting for this to turn into a PPV by the game situation. I don’t see a way around that with streaming becoming more dominant. 

 

Not sure about that.  The money being paid to the NFL by the TV networks and Direct TV is real and accounted for.

 

A PPV system would rely on zillions of individuals paying the fee; people would come up with illegal technological work arounds, and the # of legitimately paying customers may not amount to as much money as what the TV networks are paying now.

 

I.E., the NFL would lose money switching to the PPV system.

 

Just a theory; I don't really know.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

I can do without Monday night football for a long time........since the Bills are not on there this year.  (DirectV customer here)

 

...sleepless nights without Booger??....just askin'......

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11 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

Not sure about that.  The money being paid to the NFL by the TV networks and Direct TV is real and accounted for.

 

A PPV system would rely on zillions of individuals paying the fee; people would come up with illegal technological work arounds, and the # of legitimately paying customers may not amount to as much money as what the TV networks are paying now.

 

I.E., the NFL would lose money switching to the PPV system.

 

Just a theory; I don't really know.

 

 

 

 

My guess is they wouldn't use a PPV system, they'd do a Sunday Ticket system without DTV being the only way to get it. That would open up a lot of other customers. 

 

It would also kill DTV. I'm guessing there are many people who are like me and only have DTV for Sunday Ticket. The moment they lose that I cut the cord. 

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A quick internet search found this

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonogus/2019/03/28/nfl-commissioner-goodell-says-sunday-ticket-could-soon-have-a-streaming-partner/#2a9ad6c450fa

 

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The latest agreement was restrictive, as it does not expire until the completion of another four seasons, but an option was created at the time that allows the league the opportunity, if it chooses, to opt out of the deal at the end of the upcoming 2019 NFL season. It was first reported back in October that the NFL was considering implementing the opt-out provision, and now NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has confirmed that the league is strongly considering this option.  The opt-out to provide access to previously unavailable out-of-market games on multiple platforms, which could split up the rights for fans and change the way they access and view NFL games.

 

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