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Josh Allen's "awful" 1st half...THIS is the article to read

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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Oh yeah, and Michael Lombardi?

 

Yes, I read that snippet as well and thought to myself, you've got to be kidding me...this guy obviously didn't even watch the game.

 

There's a narrative about Josh Allen that is going to be next to impossible to change until the Bills get on some nationally broadcast games -- like the playoffs -- and everyone can see what he really is or isn't.

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2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Confirmation bias. Everyone is wrong, except for those that agree with us. 

 

A win is a win. its hard to sugar coat four turnovers and a safety.  Something among the preparation, play calling and/or execution is at least a small part of those results. 

I don't think this article "sugar coats" anything.  The point he makes is primarily that Allen remained composed and did not let the mistakes get the best of him.  Even though it was frustrating to watch as it was happening, it did not feel like the EJ Manuel turn-over-a-thon we have previously witnessed.  I am glad to see we are able to over come some adversity and still keep the train on the tracks.

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2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Confirmation bias. Everyone is wrong, except for those that agree with us. 

 

A win is a win. its hard to sugar coat four turnovers and a safety.  Something among the preparation, play calling and/or execution is at least a small part of those results. 

 

I tried to spell it out in more detail in my own response.  You don't sugar coat four turnovers and a safety.  No one is trying to.   On the other hand, pundits and reporters (who either did not watch the game, or watched it with confirmation bias) are saying things about Allen such as "wildly inaccurate" "erratic" "passes falling incomplete" that are factually incorrect if you look at the play by play and calculate Allen's completion percentage quarter by quarter.

 

The point is that not one of the 4 turnovers were the result of inaccuracy per se or poor play-time decision making by Allen.  The Beasley interception could have been a better throw, but it was catchable and Beasley has to haul it in or deflect it down.

 

The INT that was nullified by penalty and a later goal-line throw on the R side of the field that could have been picked but wasn't, showed questionable decision making, so it's not like it's all good except the win.

 

The Win is good we can agree on that, right?

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12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

It's amazing to me how knowledgeable sensible people - pundits and fans - say some of the stuff they do

Consider Michael Lombardi: “Down 16-0, Josh Allen can’t really make a throw; he’s missing receivers, he turned the ball over. He’s so erratic," Lombardi said

That's ridiculous.  Allen was 63% completion in the first half, 66% in the first Q. 

Consider this Jets fan's Youtube recap (He's obviously a true football fan like some of us here - he can comment sensibly on differences in the two teams offseason strategies for example and he's honest about what he saw from the Jets, Darnold and Gase.  At 4:30, he says Allen was "rocky" and "a lot of those passes were incompletes" at the start of the game.  Facts: they weren't.  (I found the frustration of a knowledgable Jets fan truly enjoyable btw, it may be I'm a sick puppy)

 

 

I saw the Lombardi quote and couldn't believe that someone PAID to follow football got it so wrong.  Sure, if you want to criticize Allen say that he was careless with the ball leading to 4 TO's.  I would consider this statement debatable but at least it's in the realm of possibility.

 

But to claim that "Josh Allen can't really make a throw" is an incredible thing to say for someone who watched the game.  In fact it's so off that you almost have to believe that it's a DELIBERATE LIE designed to reinforce Lombard's dislike of Allen.  It was clear to anyone with a TV (maybe Lombardi was following the game on radio?) that Allen was throwing the ball well at times and completing passes left & right.  In fact he drove the Bills into scoring position 3 times in the 1st half. 

 

I suspect the reason these "experts" can sound so stupid at times and it seems like they weren't watching the same game as us is that in fact they're not watching the same game.  They're trying to watch multiple games simultaneously and yea, if you caught Allen's performnce on the one drive where he just missed getting intercepted you might make the kind of statement Lombardi made.

 

 

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One line that stuck out to me in the article was when JK said (to paraphrase) that the turnover on the snap fumbled by Allen was nothing more than not converting on 4th down.  If the Bills had run the ball & been stuffed, the outcome would have been the same, but the stat sheet would have had one less turnover for the Ignorati* to complain about.

 

* Ignorati =members of the media in NFL cities who never watch anything about the Bills except Sportscenter highlights and make ignorant statement about the Bills with no data to back them up.  One of the leading members of the Ignorati is WFAN's Mike Francessa, who has many New Yorkers thinking that Josh Allen is a 20% completion passer.  

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2 hours ago, Chris from Rochester said:

Not to sound cheap, but is it worth subscribing to the athletic? I feel like most of these writers are worse then the people we have on TSW. For those who have it, do you get your moneys worth? 

 

I have subscriptions to both The Athletic and TBN Blitz. 

 

I love some of our regulars here, but I still gain a ton of insight and information. 

 

I got them both on one of their periodic deals but I did re-up this year (a bit reluctantly to The Athletic because it rots my socks that they offer the great deal to new subscribers and not to those who resubscribe - that's a silly thing to do in this digital age), but I'd say, get them on a deal and then see what you think.

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2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

As I've said 100 times, Allen will make errant throws every game. So long as he offsets a bad int in a game with 2 or 3 td passes, who gives a *****? 

 

Also, EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has errant throws every game.  Every.  Single.  One.

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4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

One line that stuck out to me in the article was when JK said (to paraphrase) that the turnover on the snap fumbled by Allen was nothing more than not converting on 4th down.  If the Bills had run the ball & been stuffed, the outcome would have been the same, but the stat sheet would have had one less turnover for the Ignorati* to complain about.

 

* Ignorati =members of the media in NFL cities who never watch anything about the Bills except Sportscenter highlights and make ignorant statement about the Bills with no data to back them up.  One of the leading members of the Ignorati is WFAN's Mike Francessa, who has many New Yorkers thinking that Josh Allen is a 20% completion passer.  

 

On the one hand, he's correct and the same could be said about a QB who throws an INT on 4th down deep in the opponent's territory.  It really shouldn't go against a QB's stats the same way to take a risk and take a shot at a point in the game where a failure doesn't change the course of the game - the opponent was gonna get the ball there from a punt anyway.

 

On the other hand, I did see that as "sugar coating" that fumbled snap.  That's the kind of fundamental execution mistake that can not happen and must be corrected.  If you do your best and the opponent stuffs you, that's one thing, but if you stuff yourself, that's something else.

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2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

As I've said 100 times, Allen will make errant throws every game. So long as he offsets a bad int in a game with 2 or 3 td passes, who gives a *****? 

I guess that’s the point. He threw two picks, had one called back 

, and another dropped, all while throwing one TD pass. So nowhere near a two or three TD:INT ratio. 

He made great throws during the game and I think got more unlucky than anything else. Pick six was on Beasley and Bills batted 5 balls but did not pick any. 

Giants have worst DB in the league. Should be a good opportunity to have a clean game.

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Nice read.  Thanks for the link.

 

I suspect the fact that Morse was in the protocol much of the preseason had at least something to do with that failed snap.  Not trying to make excuses - but it's just a fact.

 

What will it take to remove the 'bias'?  consistent improvement.  Frankly, I don't care what others think - but if that eggs Allen on to do better, then it is not all bad.  If his play continues to impress and get wins, he will win over all but the most jaded folks.

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2 hours ago, Ta111 said:

So you believe we will have balls bouncing off receivers hands, hitting their thigh and going straight into the arms of a linebacker going forward?

Josh Allen would of had an 82.4 passer rating if it weren’t for that Cole Beasley interception, Allen put that ball on the money. Wasn’t a great performance, wasn’t a terrible one. The Jets have a pretty decent defense and we were playing on the road. Ideally you’d like to see Allen take care of the football better but it happens, especially to young QBs going up against Gregg Williams defenses.

 

The silver lining of the whole situation was that Allen looked accurate and deadly on the short to intermediate passing game. Very decisive, moved the ball almost at will, which is what everybody wanted to see. He looks like a more complete quarterback, he just has to clean up a couple things in his game, but I think we are golden in terms of what we drafted Allen to be for us and where we drafted him and what we gave up to get him. Looks light years better than last year and he is still very, very young.

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Aah he didn’t play well in the 1st half.  HOWEVER  ultimately Allen still kept good body language throughout and kept his composure for the winning strike 

 

 

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3 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Confirmation bias. Everyone is wrong, except for those that agree with us. 

 

A win is a win. its hard to sugar coat four turnovers and a safety.  Something among the preparation, play calling and/or execution is at least a small part of those results. 

 

Wrong.

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15 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

 

 

The silver lining of the whole situation was that Allen looked accurate and deadly on the short to intermediate passing game. Very decisive, moved the ball almost at will, which is what everybody wanted to see. He looks like a more complete quarterback, he just has to clean up a couple things in his game, but I think we are golden in terms of what we drafted Allen to be for us and where we drafted him and what we gave up to get him. Looks light years better than last year and he is still very, very young.

 

If we get 1st drive Josh and 4th Quarter Josh for 4 quarters next week.... then the Giants better watch out. I feel like he needs a day like that. A real complete performance to change the narrative. I thought Sunday showed real progress in those spots in the short and intermediate game. 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If we get 1st drive Josh and 4th Quarter Josh for 4 quarters next week.... then the Giants better watch out. I feel like he needs a day like that. A real complete performance to change the narrative. I thought Sunday showed real progress in those spots in the short and intermediate game. 

Yep. I hope we see a continuation of that progress against the Giants. Next you’d like to see him sprinkle in some of those big plays from last year in there and wallah we have a top 10 QB.

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Probably 80-85% of all games come down to the last 10 minutes of the game. Either holding onto a lead or trying to come back from a deficit. I really want to know how you play in crunch time. Josh played lights out during crunch time. We will win many more games than we lose if he continues that type of play.

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47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

On the one hand, he's correct and the same could be said about a QB who throws an INT on 4th down deep in the opponent's territory.  It really shouldn't go against a QB's stats the same way to take a risk and take a shot at a point in the game where a failure doesn't change the course of the game - the opponent was gonna get the ball there from a punt anyway.

 

On the other hand, I did see that as "sugar coating" that fumbled snap.  That's the kind of fundamental execution mistake that can not happen and must be corrected.  If you do your best and the opponent stuffs you, that's one thing, but if you stuff yourself, that's something else.

It was interesting to hear Eric Wood not be able to tell who was at fault on the snap. I genuinely do not think he was sugar coating it or not wanting to blame Morse or Josh. He said it could have been either’s fault. I think it is hard to not fault Josh on the first fumble. The Jet knocked it loose pretty easily even though he made a good play and Dawkins a bad one. Josh tucked it just not strong. 

 

All of those four four were fluky to some degree and not likely to be repeated. That’s the silver lining.  

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I had toyed with the idea that the Brown TD pass was an adjustment dictated by the coverage but opted instead for the ball having been under thrown. Just didn't think Allen was there yet. If as the writer says it was a good read with perfect execution then that's huge and one of the game's most important takeaways IMO. That's something only good passers can do.

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First things first.  For the life of me I have no idea why or how Michael Lombardi has been elevated to some kind of NFL savant. 


Second, for any of these articles that show up, either positive or negative, the first question that should come to mind is this:  did you actually watch the game?  Not just highlights, not just looked at the box score, but did you actually watch the entire game? 

 

If you actually watched the game, and if you are truly interested in an objective evaluation of Allen as opposed to showing your confirmation bias (i.e. you have already decided he is either inaccurate, careless, clueless or all the above), then this is what you would have seen.  Allen unlike last year stayed in the pocket for the most part and went through his progressions, unlike last year when he was running for his life, and sometimes doing that prematurely.  If you actually watched his passes you will see that he was very accurate, delivered the ball right where he wanted.  On the pick 6, he knew he had to protect Beasley by coming in low, and he did.  It may have been 4 inches outside, but when you hit an NFL WR in the hands they normally catch the ball and don't bounce it straight up into a defender's hands.  He also did a good job for the most part (exception below) throwing it away instead of trying to be a hero when he needed to do so.  So from a read and accuracy perspective Allen looked much improved the other day.

 

Now as for negatives, he still thinks his arm strength can let him get away with things he can't get away with in the NFL.  The almost pick down near the goal line was a classic example.  He is scrambling and while on the run tried to hit Brown, and should have been picked.  He has to learn you can't do that in the NFL.  As for the other pick nullified by penalty, took a shot into double coverage; also not well advised but after watching the replay last night I think it's very possible he saw the flag and/or penalty and took a free shot knowing he had one.  As for the fumbles, one was not him - it is not a fumble of your part if you never touch the ball.  The one on the sack he has to learn to just wrap the ball up and take the sack.  He is a young QB, he is going to by definition do some dumb things.  What you hope is that with experience the frequency of dumb things declines.  But we should all fully expect as the season goes along to have moments where we scream at the field or TV NOOOOOOOO when he make a dumb decision.  That is called learning, my friends. 

 

So what I saw, and anyone who actually watched the game should have seen, is a young QB figuring it out.  You should have seen progress in his reads and in standing in the pocket delivering accurate passes.  You should have seen the impertinence of youth at times.  But you would only see this if you actually watched the game.  Which is what makes the commentator stuff so maddening, because you know some guys either don't watch, or refuse to let their eyes change their opinions.  The guy on mad dog sports from 6-10, don't know his name but I listened for a bit while in the car last night.  And he said that you could ignore the bad game Mayfield had Sunday, because he clearly is the best of the 4 first round Bs from last year.  That Jackson because of his game is the second best.  And Allen, despite the moxie coming back, despite showing well all game?  According to him he's the worst of the four and will never change. 


When you hear this kind of stuff, when you see sites like the PFF drivel saying he and Singletary were rated poor, just ignore them, good or bad.  They have agendas and refuse to let data change them. 

 

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Who The Actual $!%! is Michael Lombardi and why should anyone care as to what he has to say.

 

Personally I would rather the Bills fly below the radar for as long as possible.  EXTREMELY hard to do in the day and age of 24/7 news coverage but I would rather see the Bills as underdawgs each and every week.

 

I was happy with JA's effort in the 1st half not to happy with the score.  The D is UNFREAKING real!!!!

 

Go Bills!

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23 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It was interesting to hear Eric Wood not be able to tell who was at fault on the snap. I genuinely do not think he was sugar coating it or not wanting to blame Morse or Josh. He said it could have been either’s fault. I think it is hard to not fault Josh on the first fumble. The Jet knocked it loose pretty easily even though he made a good play and Dawkins a bad one. Josh tucked it just not strong. 

 

All of those four four were fluky to some degree and not likely to be repeated. That’s the silver lining.  

 

Woods is objectively correct from the film - it’s clear there was a miscue but who is right or wrong can’t be determined from that.  But, the QB probably knows what he just called for.  So either it wasn’t clearly communicated in the noise or Morse got it wrong.  Wood ain’t gonna throw a fellow center under the bus.

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Ask the Jets if they’d be willing to trade Sam Darnold and Quinnen Williams for Josh Allen and Ed Oliver straight up, right now. To me, Darnold is Dalton-Lite, Allen looks like much more of a gamer. Oliver seems to be a more disruptive DT and already had Jets fans wishing they had picked him. I know it’s early, but I’d laugh at that trade if I were the Bills.

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I've said this in another article but to me Allen has Brett Favre's gun slinger mentality (which I love) but with that mentality you are going to make mistakes, we should not make excuses for him since there is no need to, as long as he can come back from those mistakes and win games which he did. If we have the next Brett Favre with more athleticism, do we really give 2 ***** about whether or not he makes mistakes as long as were getting to the playoffs or Superbowls?

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1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

Aah he didn’t play well in the 1st half.  HOWEVER  ultimately Allen still kept good body language throughout and kept his composure for the winning strike 

 

 

This is the most important aspect of the position. While everybody wants to focus on passer ratings, I prefer to look at him as a quarterback and his ability to get off the mat when things go bad. Allen was tested numerous times in that regard on Sunday and came through with flying colors. The kid is a flat out competitor who can take a punch in the jaw, come back, and knock your ass out. And if I can borrow a line from Jarvis Landry, that is CONTAGIOUS! To everybody on the team, including coaches. 

 

Bad plays happen to everyone. The key is all about how you respond. Always. 

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