Good reason to not let your kids play football

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I was giving an example of you talking about how violent/rough the girls soccer game was...because I witnessed it for years in basketball.  Running fast with not great body control equals violent hits.

that's because b****s be crazy 

Edited August 27, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I was giving an example of you talking about how violent/rough the girls soccer game was...because I witnessed it for years in basketball.  Running fast with not great body control equals violent hits.

whack!

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

whack!

 

The scariest thing I saw was two girls jumping on a loose ball.  Both went head first and both hit their foreheads at full diving speed.  So much blood....so much.

[metzelaars_lives]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I gave in and let my kid play this year, he has been asking since he was 5.   I made sure I could coach as I wanted to be as close to the field as possible.

 

With that said, the studies out there for public consumption say Soccer, Lacrosse, Gymnastics, and Wrestling all have comparable head injury rates.  

Professional wrestling maybe.  You’re telling me that former soccer players, lacrosse players and gymnasts (!?!) are suffering from CTE at the same rate as former football players??

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The scariest thing I saw was two girls jumping on a loose ball.  Both went head first and both hit their foreheads at full diving speed.  So much blood....so much.

why do i have the feeling you liked it?

[metzelaars_lives]

This thread:

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

why do i have the feeling you liked it?

 

I'm a Tarantino fan.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said:

This thread:

 

 

i don't get it.

[Philo]

16 minutes ago, teef said:

whack!

 

[thenorthremembers]

10 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said:

Professional wrestling maybe.  You’re telling me that former soccer players, lacrosse players and gymnasts (!?!) are suffering from CTE at the same rate as former football players??

No.  I am telling you the documented head injuries for kids who participate in these sports at an amateur level are similar.   CTE is different than a head injury.  However, plenty of research shows the likelihood of a Hockey Player developing CTE is similar to a football player considering the force of hits in those sports.   I dont see a lot of outrage for amateur hockey players.   The bottom line is football is a more popular sport and more likely to gain attention which is where the outrage comes from. 

 

Head injuries, which again are not CTE, are similar in Soccer, Lacrosse, and Gymnastics due to the likelihood of contact to the head.

[BillsFan17]

Sweet virtue signal 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

How do you know that?

 

The kid got up afterwards?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, teef said:

in college we went to a girls soccer game to see our friend play.  two girls were in a full on sprint, got tangled up, and absolutely destroyed themselves.  it's one on the hardest i've seen people without pads hit the ground.  it was violent.

 

They were doing it wrong.  Learn from the pro players:

 

[teef]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were doing it wrong.  Learn from the pro players:

 

lol!  i can't stop watching this for some reason.

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were doing it wrong.  Learn from the pro players:

 

 

LOL...soccer gifs are the best.

 

[947]

I've coached youth football for the past 8 years. Those kids are about 6 years old, and that was a clean tackle. Hard hits are very rare at that young age due to their speed & size, but there's always a savage like that in the league who hits hard from day 1. Those type of kids can be hard to reign in & teach proper technique, or they're dangerous, but it looks like the coaches did a good job in that.

 

When you know you're facing a kid like that on Defense, you have to be careful of who you let run the ball for safety reasons. It has to be your faster, more aggressive kids who will be able to avoid the big hit. That RB was basically a tackling dummy on that play, but still was probably ok after the hit.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL...soccer gifs are the best.

 

 

he executed the perfect 720.

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

lol!  i can't stop watching this for some reason.

 

Because it's the only reason to watch men's pro soccer...

[John from Riverside]

As a parent who had a son that played pop warner......I coached pop warner.....etc

 

What I learned eventually is that parents get way to carried away with sports before high school.....let the kids play if they WANT to play.....be nice to the other parents.....dont show up drunk at practice and games.....dont fight with parent of other teams

 

My son loved it......he went on to play varsity as a freshmen in high school...then he went onto scholarship offers before his senior year......tore his ACL BEFORE his senior year....but still loved  the game so he moved to Oregon and continued to play semi pro ball...they just won 2 consecutive championships there and he starts at linebacker there and is a team captain

 

MANY kids that play youth sports do not go on to play high school sports......its just a fact....so make sure they are enjoying the whole experience and understand that NOT playing youth sports doesnt mean they wont go on to productive high school players and possibly beyond.   An academic scholarship will do just as much if not more then a athletic one.

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

As a parent who had a son that played pop warner......I coached pop warner.....etc

 

What I learned eventually is that parents get way to carried away with sports before high school.....let the kids play if they WANT to play.....be nice to the other parents.....dont show up drunk at practice and games.....dont fight with parent of other teams

 

My son loved it......he went on to play varsity as a freshmen in high school...then he went onto scholarship offers before his senior year......tore his ACL BEFORE his senior year....but still loved  the game so he moved to Oregon and continued to play semi pro ball...they just won 2 consecutive championships there and he starts at linebacker there and is a team captain

 

MANY kids that play youth sports do not go on to play high school sports......its just a fact....so make sure they are enjoying the whole experience and understand that NOT playing youth sports doesnt mean they wont go on to productive high school players and possibly beyond.   An academic scholarship will do just as much if not more then a athletic one.

The parents are RIDICULOUS at some of the practices and games. They try to tell the coaches what positions and when their child should be playing. Making a fool out of themselves when we have road games over different things with the opposing team's parents. It's unreal. I volunteer to hold the chains or down marker most weeks just so I can be down on the field at my youngest son's youth league games. One of the parents was getting pissed off at the officiating. He proceeds to leap the fence and walk onto the field cursing at the ref in question. I grabbed him by the back of his collar to keep him from walking onto it, told him to get off of the field, and the guy took a swing at me. He missed of course and some of the league officials that were there kind of took him down after that. Needless to say he is never allowed back at his son's games now. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were doing it wrong.  Learn from the pro players:

 

 

what a bunch of wussies  

 

It is also seen in women's game too but at a much lower rate.  

[colin]

i've read quite a bit about how girl's sports have much much higher injury rates than men's sports.

 

It seemed to be attributed to women having different (less robust) bodies than men, but that's impossible because women and men are equal and caitlyn jenner is a bravery winner as a women in sports, and she won the men's decathlon, so deal with it bigots. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Damn, that was one hell of a hit/tackle for a young child that age,I'm guessing 6 or 7 yrs old

[Mat68]

Living in an area I'm not born and raised, I wouldn't feel comfortable having my sons taught the sport by men I dont know.  I work too many hours to coach myself.  At this point I'm not a fan of them playing tackle football until high school age.  That doesnt limited their ability to play past high school if they are talented.  It does limited their exposure to injury and concussions.

[Patrick Duffy]

Lol, I wonder if the kids parents (of the kid that got hit) were angry after that.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Lol, I wonder if the kids parents (of the kid that got hit) were angry after that.

 

They were probably on their phones reading about the Popeyes vs CFA sandwich challenge.  

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Living in an area I'm not born and raised, I wouldn't feel comfortable having my sons taught the sport by men I dont know.  I work too many hours to coach myself.  At this point I'm not a fan of them playing tackle football until high school age.  That doesnt limited their ability to play past high school if they are talented.  It does limited their exposure to injury and concussions.

It would be awfully hard to produce the next Tom Brady or manning if they never strap up the pads till they are 15-16

 

 

[CookieG]

55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

As a parent who had a son that played pop warner......I coached pop warner.....etc

 

What I learned eventually is that parents get way to carried away with sports before high school.....let the kids play if they WANT to play.....be nice to the other parents.....dont show up drunk at practice and games.....dont fight with parent of other teams

 

My son loved it......he went on to play varsity as a freshmen in high school...then he went onto scholarship offers before his senior year......tore his ACL BEFORE his senior year....but still loved  the game so he moved to Oregon and continued to play semi pro ball...they just won 2 consecutive championships there and he starts at linebacker there and is a team captain

 

MANY kids that play youth sports do not go on to play high school sports......its just a fact....so make sure they are enjoying the whole experience and understand that NOT playing youth sports doesnt mean they wont go on to productive high school players and possibly beyond.   An academic scholarship will do just as much if not more then a athletic one.

Yeah, I agree with the idea of letting them if they want to play.  My oldest wanted to and went from flag to Pop Warner, junior high and 4 years of high school. He liked it and was pretty dedicated. He put on about 70 lbs, mostly muscle, during high school. But he also realized that most colleges don't use 240 lb offensive linemen and his body was maxed out bulk wise. He was a shy kid and I think football really helped build his confidence.

 

My youngest...sigh.  He would be the tackler in the video of the OP. I know because I coached my oldest's flag team for 2 years, and that's what my youngest would do if I put him in a practice scrimmage if we were short handed. It didn't matter to him that the other kids were 2-3 years older or that tackling wasn't allowed in flag football. I used to call him my LB in training.

 

But he had no desire to play. In junior high, the coaches approached him repeatedly about joining. When he started high school, he told me the head coach trapped him on the first day and spent a 1/2 hour trying to convince him to join.  I never pushed it.

 

We had my oldest on a one concussion rule. If he got one, his career was over and he knew it. Luckily, he never got one. IDK, he had a friend that he played together with from flag football to high school.  A very good kid with really nice parents. But the kid had 3 concussions that I knew of, plus a seizure disorder. The parents never stopped him from playing. His senior year, the coach cut him under some pretense, but my oldest said it was really out of a concern for his health. He ended up transferring to another school.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

This kid gets wrecked. I wonder how many NFL players have a lot more concussions that went un-diagnosed when they were younger. Morse has had 4 in his NFL career, but how many did he get while growing up?

 

 

Mitch Morse watched this and went right back into Stage 1...

[Mat68]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It would be awfully hard to produce the next Tom Brady or manning if they never strap up the pads till they are 15-16

 

 

If they were drawn to football and had arms, there is flag football and 7 on 7.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

If they were drawn to football and had arms, there is flag football and 7 on 7.

Neither replicate real contact football with pads or line play. 

 

Line play is down all over all football levels as well. If kids weren't allowed to strap it up till HS, development would go south .. Joe Thomas's and John Ogden's are also developed from 10 years old

 

My friend was a starting varsity tackle in 8th grade, 6'4 270 in 8th grade.. they shouldn't punish him for being good

 

[teef]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Mitch Morse watched this and went right back into Stage 1...

You’re on a bit of a roll in this thread. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, teef said:

You’re on a bit of a roll in this thread. 

 

Thanks.  I'm here all week..!

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I gave in and let my kid play this year, he has been asking since he was 5.   I made sure I could coach as I wanted to be as close to the field as possible.

 

With that said, the studies out there for public consumption say Soccer, Lacrosse, Gymnastics, and Wrestling all have comparable head injury rates.  

That's it, my kid is playing Fortnite!

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They were doing it wrong.  Learn from the pro players:

 

This is embarrassing, he should be kicked in the nuts. 

[Mat68]

41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Neither replicate real contact football with pads or line play. 

 

Line play is down all over all football levels as well. If kids weren't allowed to strap it up till HS, development would go south .. Joe Thomas's and John Ogden's are also developed from 10 years old

 

My friend was a starting varsity tackle in 8th grade, 6'4 270 in 8th grade.. they shouldn't punish him for being good

 

I dont see what benefit my 12 or 13 year old son gains from playing varsity.  Even if he is a specimen. 

 

Playing other sports without the same level of contact will improve his body and mind in other areas that makes up for the percieved deficits in nuance. 

 

If they are in the 95 percentile in athletic ability to gain collegiate recognition it doesnt matter if they start in pads at 5, 10, or 14.

[Mr. WEO]

28 minutes ago, Dopey said:

That's it, my kid is playing Fortnite!

This is embarrassing, he should be kicked in the nuts. 

 

What nuts..?

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I dont see what benefit my 12 or 13 year old son gains from playing varsity.  Even if he is a specimen. 

 

Playing other sports without the same level of contact will improve his body and mind in other areas that makes up for the percieved deficits in nuance. 

 

If they are in the 95 percentile in athletic ability to gain collegiate recognition it doesnt matter if they start in pads at 5, 10, or 14.

You can certainly have your opinion

 

90% of the NFL were born and raised playing football

 

The game will severely hurt if nobody ever strapped it up till 16. 

 

It's a game of repetition and practice, which they don't even get enough of

[Mat68]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can certainly have your opinion

 

90% of the NFL were born and raised playing football

 

The game will severely hurt if nobody ever strapped it up till 16. 

 

It's a game of repetition and practice, which they don't even get enough of

Correct.  But I love my kids more than football. 

 

Looking back at playing football from pee wee through high school and understanding that every "ding" I got was a minor concussion, was jarring for me.  Getting your body used to contact, for me means something different and now darker.

 

I never had what I thought was a concussion while playing.  Now older I now know I never had a severe one.  My sons will not have a concussion until they are more physically more mature and can sort of more understand the risks associated with playing organized tackle football.  

 

There are positives gained from playing football at any skill level.  To me the positives dont out way the risks til they are older and they beg me to allow them to play it.  I want them to beg me because they will truly need to love it to play it.  If they dont there is not a point to do it.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Correct.  But I love my kids more than football. 

 

Looking back at playing football from pee wee through high school and understanding that every "ding" I got was a minor concussion, was jarring for me.  Getting your body used to contact, for me means something different and now darker.

 

I never had what I thought was a concussion while playing.  Now older I now know I never had a severe one.  My sons will not have a concussion until they are more physically more mature and can sort of more understand the risks associated with playing organized tackle football.  

 

There are positives gained from playing football at any skill level.  To me the positives dont out way the risks til they are older and they beg me to allow them to play it.  I want them to beg me because they will truly need to love it to play it.  If they dont there is not a point to do it.

That is fully acceptable and your right as a parent. Listen I'm not trying to downplay head injuries

 

I have played and coached my whole life. I lost my playing career to head injuries and I know how bad they are

 

Huge men flying around at fast speeds is not a great recipe. You really need to love the game

 

 

 

[from_dunkirk]

I like Fournette's hit better:

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by from_dunkirk