Good Night / Bad Night - Pre-season Game 2

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I have myself convinced/mentally prepared for him to announce his retirement by no later than Week 3 of the regular season.

 

Before, During or After  the game ??? 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

I was a worry wart on this from the beginning. I’m less concerned now. I do think the brass is playing games with this somewhat, but serious concussions aren’t dealt this way Leaguewide. I believe the NFL would come down hard on McBeane if they thought/knew there was more to this than what OBD is admitting. jmo.

 

They have him in concussion protocol.  What more would the league be looking for, as far as how the Bills are handling it?

[mrags]

54 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I'd love to see him return kickoffs in one of these preseason games

I was going to say this but add in even more. Try him at KR, try him in the coverage teams, and for gods sake, for the thought of carrying him and getting rid of Dimarco, can we try him at FB? Just to see how he does. I know it’s another position for him. But if it means keeping him over the useless Dimarco, I’m all for it. Maybe he doesn’t do amazing, but he’s a rock solid tree trunk that’s impossible to bring down, maybe get him in there putting some hits on people to see how he does. At the very least, would be fun to see him and Shady or Singletary in the backfield at the same time. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I was a worry wart on this from the beginning. I’m less concerned now. I do think the brass is playing games with this somewhat, but serious concussions aren’t dealt this way Leaguewide. I believe the NFL would come down hard on McBeane if they thought/knew there was more to this than what OBD is admitting. jmo.

 

That is why I made the smoke and mirrors comment.   

 

He doesn't really need to be out there IMO

[Chandler#81]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You're assuming another team will claim him for their active 53??    The questions you yourself ask likely would also scare other teams away too from active 53.  Would other team like him o n their PS, sure, but why would be sign for another teams PS and not Buffalo?  Often guys will sign with another team because they feel they were shafted, don't sense that about him if he were to be cut.

Believe me, I hope so! The whole concept of an extra PS position that can’t be called up this year is a great way for this idea to evolve. I HOPE all the other teams think like this, but I’m fairly sure most teams weren’t offered a player for this exchange. Could there be some hard feelings elsewhere?

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, mrags said:

I was going to say this but add in even more. Try him at KR, try him in the coverage teams, and for gods sake, for the thought of carrying him and getting rid of Dimarco, can we try him at FB? Just to see how he does. I know it’s another position for him. But if it means keeping him over the useless Dimarco, I’m all for it. Maybe he doesn’t do amazing, but he’s a rock solid tree trunk that’s impossible to bring down, maybe get him in there putting some hits on people to see how he does. At the very least, would be fun to see him and Shady or Singletary in the backfield at the same time. 

I think Lee Smith stays on roster in Dimarco's spot. Knox, Sweeney, Croom at TE

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

Believe me, I hope so! The whole concept of an extra PS position that can’t be called up this year is a great way for this idea to evolve. I HOPE all the other teams think like this, but I’m fairly sure most teams weren’t offered a player for this exchange. Could there be some hard feelings elsewhere?

 

the PPP (no not that ppp) started in 2017 and I think the NFL is slowly working its way division by division.  

 

[Chandler#81]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

They have him in concussion protocol.  What more would the league be looking for, as far as how the Bills are handling it?

Idk, but this is a $eriou$ matter to the NFL. I assume there’s League oversight on this protocol. Many, if not most players who’ve suffered a concussion get back to playing much sooner than this episode.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You're assuming another team will claim him for their active 53??    The questions you yourself ask likely would also scare other teams away too from active 53.  Would other team like him o n their PS, sure, but why would be sign for another teams PS and not Buffalo?  Often guys will sign with another team because they feel they were shafted, don't sense that about him if he were to be cut.

Pretty much this. If this IS true and he can be picked up by another team through waivers, he would have to be on their 53 and that just doesn’t seem like it’s happening. PS, sure, I bet a dozen or so teams would want him on their PS but that cannot happen. IF the rule is true and he can only sign with another team or he’s on our PS I expect him to be on our PS. Maybe, just maybe, there’s a team out there with a RB... OR Holdout... that would want to sign him. 

 

Dallas

LA

or anyone else that gets an injury late in preseason. 

4 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I think Lee Smith stays on roster in Dimarco's spot. Knox, Sweeney, Croom at TE

No Kroft?

 

Smith ain’t making this roster. Period. 

[Gugny]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Idk, but this is a $eriou$ matter to the NFL. I assume there’s League oversight on this protocol. Many, if not most players who’ve suffered a concussion get back to playing much sooner than this episode.

 

Oh, I understand what you're saying now.   I just don't know why, if it wasn't as dire as I'm thinking it is, the Bills didn't take him out of protocol and just announce that he's not going to see any action until Week 1.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Believe me, I hope so! The whole concept of an extra PS position that can’t be called up this year is a great way for this idea to evolve. I HOPE all the other teams think like this, but I’m fairly sure most teams weren’t offered a player for this exchange. Could there be some hard feelings elsewhere?

 

Hard feeling or not, it's still up to Wade to decide to take an offer for another teams PS over Buffalo, unless the hard feelings are with Wade himself.  Then agree, if he truely thinks he deserves to be on the Bills active 53 and they don't make that move, then likely he will go sign with another team eve nfor their PS.  But just don't sense that from what he's said publicly, admittedly talk is cheap. 

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Pretty much this. If this IS true and he can be picked up by another team through waivers, he would have to be on their 53 and that just doesn’t seem like it’s happening. PS, sure, I bet a dozen or so teams would want him on their PS but that cannot happen. IF the rule is true and he can only sign with another team or he’s on our PS I expect him to be on our PS. Maybe, just maybe, there’s a team out there with a RB... OR Holdout... that would want to sign him. 

 

 

I thought that can happen, he can sign with any team for their PS,  just once he signs to someones PS another team can't come in and take him even for their active 53.  He's is then locked in on that teams PS for the entire season.

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Hard feeling or not, it's still up to Wade to decide to take an offer for another teams PS over Buffalo, unless the hard feelings are with Wade himself.  Then agree, if he truely thinks he deserves to be on the Bills active 53 and they don't make that move, then likely he will go sign with another team eve nfor their PS.  But just don't sense that from what he's said publicly, admittedly talk is cheap. 

He cannot be on another teams PS. It’s our PS or signed on another teams 53. That’s it 

[Chandler#81]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Oh, I understand what you're saying now.   I just don't know why, if it wasn't as dire as I'm thinking it is, the Bills didn't take him out of protocol and just announce that he's not going to see any action until Week 1.

Yeah, I can’t speak to that. They’ve turned it into a bit of a circus with their aloofness. 

Just a gut feeling. I think he’ll be back in the fold very soon -starting against the Jets.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, mrags said:

He cannot be on another teams PS. It’s our PS or signed on another teams 53. That’s it 

 

Not what I read!

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Not what I read!

He’s either signed by us. Signed by another teams 53. Or he’s the 11th PS member of our team and cannot be moved up to the 53 at all this year. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Thanks for the breakdown Gunner.

 

By the way, I think my favorite part of this game was how desperately the announcing crew was trying to put a positive spin on things for the Panthers.  Every time there was any good plays by Carolina (which was rare) they would say ok, now this will give them the momentum they need, and things like that.  It had to be a Panthers focussed broadcast because they did not focus much on our players throughout the game.

[mannc]

Just now, mrags said:

He’s either signed by us. Signed by another teams 53. Or he’s the 11th PS member of our team and cannot be moved up to the 53 at all this year. 

That’s what I thought too, based on what I read at NFL.com, but the Bills recently said otherwise.

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yeah, I can’t speak to that. They’ve turned it into a bit of a circus with their aloofness. 

Just a gut feeling. I think he’ll be back in the fold very soon -starting against the Jets.

 

I think so, too.  I just fear that it won't last long.  We shall see!

[mrags]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

That’s what I thought too, based on what I read at NFL.com, but the Bills recently said otherwise.

Well. At the very least, the whole thing is a cluster. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

He’s either signed by us. Signed by another teams 53. Or he’s the 11th PS member of our team and cannot be moved up to the 53 at all this year. 

 

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

That’s what I thought too, based on what I read at NFL.com, but the Bills recently said otherwise.

 

That' where I am too.  2 weeks ago completely agreed too with what mags stated, now not so sure.  There's an entire thread on it, but that still leaves some question.  Buffalo rumblings agrees with mrags.

 

We shall see soon as doubt any team would sign him to their 53 unless decimated by injuries.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Royale with Cheese]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I have myself convinced/mentally prepared for him to announce his retirement by no later than Week 3 of the regular season.

 

In the year 2024?

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You're assuming another team will claim him for their active 53??    The questions you yourself ask likely would also scare other teams away too from active 53.  Would other team like him o n their PS, sure, but why would be sign for another teams PS and not Buffalo?  Often guys will sign with another team because they feel they were shafted, don't sense that about him if he were to be cut.

 

And if he signed for any other PS he has no protection. They can drop him. The Bills and only the Bills get an extra PS spot for him. 

 

My worry is a bottom feeder who know they will suck this year signs him for the 53. Maybe Arizona or Miami or Washington. 

Edited August 19, 2019 by GunnerBill

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

That' where I am too.  2 weeks ago completely agreed too with what mags stated, now not so sure.  There's an entire thread on it, but that still leaves some question.  Buffalo rumblings agrees with mrags.

 

We shall see soon as doubt any team would sign him to their 53 unless decimated by injuries.

So yeah. BuffaloRumblings doesn’t have that factored in if he can be signed to another teams practice squad. Don’t even mention it. To me, that proves that he cannot because it’s not even an option. But maybe it wasn’t known, or was an oversight in the article. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/8/18/20810950/clarifying-the-buffalo-bills-roster-status-with-running-back-christian-wade

 

but yeah, I don’t believe any other team will sign him to their 53. But the teams short on RBs do scare me. Between injuries, and holdouts, there’s a few out there. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

So yeah. BuffaloRumblings doesn’t have that factored in if he can be signed to another teams practice squad. Don’t even mention it. To me, that proves that he cannot because it’s not even an option. But maybe it wasn’t known, or was an oversight in the article. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2019/8/18/20810950/clarifying-the-buffalo-bills-roster-status-with-running-back-christian-wade

 

but yeah, I don’t believe any other team will sign him to their 53. But the teams short on RBs do scare me. Between injuries, and holdouts, there’s a few out there. 

 

Yeah maybe he leads Dallas to a SB win in Elliott's place!!  LOL

[freddyjj]

29 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I think Lee Smith stays on roster in Dimarco's spot. Knox, Sweeney, Croom at TE

I think we might see Croom get the broom.  If Knox is back for game 4 they put Kroft on PUP and keep Smith, Knox and Sweeney for now and use extra spot for OL, WR or TE.  Then make a roster move when Kroft comes off PUP.  Usually there is an injury in first few weeks that will effect one of those position groups.

[billykay]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Pretty much this. If this IS true and he can be picked up by another team through waivers, he would have to be on their 53 and that just doesn’t seem like it’s happening. PS, sure, I bet a dozen or so teams would want him on their PS but that cannot happen. IF the rule is true and he can only sign with another team or he’s on our PS I expect him to be on our PS. Maybe, just maybe, there’s a team out there with a RB... OR Holdout... that would want to sign him. 

 

Dallas

LA

or anyone else that gets an injury late in preseason. 

No Kroft?

 

Smith ain’t making this roster. Period. 

Smith has $4m guaranteed.

[mrags]

57 minutes ago, billykay said:

Smith has $4m guaranteed.

So?...

[eball]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And if he signed for any other PS he has no protection. They can drop him. The Bills and only the Bills get an extra PS spot for him. 

 

My worry is a bottom feeder who know they will suck this year signs him for the 53. Maybe Arizona or Miami or Washington. 

 

And if that happens, so be it, but there's no way he should be taking up a spot on the Bills' 53 at this point in time.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

And if that happens, so be it, but there's no way he should be taking up a spot on the Bills' 53 at this point in time.

 

I agree. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Deon Lacey - The battle for the depth positions at linebacker is suddenly the fight that is taking my eye. Your three starters are locked in, Corey Thompson's ability to play all three spots likely gives him a leg up on a backup spot and Julian Stanford as a "specialist" middle linebacker might be nudging ahead of the rest too. That means Mo Alexander (a special teams ace), Vosean Joseph (their 5th round draft pick) and Deon Lacey are likely battling for one spot. Lacey was impressive on Friday, flashing in both the run and pass games. Would the Bills really cut a guy they took in round 5 at the end of his first camp? Lacey is at least going to make them consider that question. 

 

Not sure Stanford will be around when cuts are made.  Perhaps practice squad.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[mrags]

Didn’t catch it all. But apparently they talked about Wades options today on WGR. He gets the 11th PS squad spot if they want to. They can try their shot to clear him through waivers and use him for one if the 10, if he clears. I think that means that if they want him him for the 11th spot there’s nothing another team can do about it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

Didn’t catch it all. But apparently they talked about Wades options today on WGR. He gets the 11th PS squad spot if they want to. They can try their shot to clear him through waivers and use him for one if the 10, if he clears. I think that means that if they want him him for the 11th spot there’s nothing another team can do about it.

 

in the 1000 different interpretations of this 

 

Once he clears waivers and he's designated the 11th  no other team can pry him away from the PS in 2019 

so I have come to believe 

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

That' where I am too.  2 weeks ago completely agreed too with what mags stated, now not so sure.  There's an entire thread on it, but that still leaves some question.  Buffalo rumblings agrees with mrags.

 

We shall see soon as doubt any team would sign him to their 53 unless decimated by injuries.

Haven't seen this posted here yet

 

Best interpretation I have read to date on the matter

 

https://13wham.com/buffalo-plus/bills-latest-news/christian-wade-cool-story-but

 

[freddyjj]

42 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

 

Not sure Stanford will be around when cuts are made.  Perhaps practice squad.

Not eligible as active roster with Bills all last year and previously with jets

 

Other than those four players, eligibility is limited to players who have been on an active roster for fewer than six games, or were on a 46-man active gameday roster for fewer than nine games. A player is allowed on the practice squad for up to two years, with one year counting as six weeks in a season

Edited August 19, 2019 by freddyjj

[mrags]

40 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

in the 1000 different interpretations of this 

 

Once he clears waivers and he's designated the 11th  no other team can pry him away from the PS in 2019 

so I have come to believe 

He Doesn’t have to clear waivers to be the 11th. If they want him for one of the 10, it holds true 

 

as @freddyjj posted in his previous link here’s a paragraph that breaks it down:

 

“So what will happen to Wade? There has been some confusion about the options for the Bills, the rest of the NFL and for Wade himself. He's part of the league's International Pathway program and so the rules for him and other potential NFL players are different. Like every other player on the roster now, Wade can be kept on the Bills 53 man final cutdown roster on Labor Day weekend. 

He can also be released. He can also be claimed by another NFL team and signed to their 53 man roster. If he clears waivers, the Bills (or any other team) can sign him to their practice squad. The difference for the Bills is that because he was originally on their roster through the program, they get an extra spot on the practice squad reserved just for him. But if he is in that 11th spot, he is ineligible to be on the active roster for 2019.”

Edited August 19, 2019 by mrags

[MAJBobby]

We should get rid of Both punters and just go sign Marquette King 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

Smith ain’t making this roster. Period. 

I think he is.

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I think he is.

Ok. Nice thoughts 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Haven't seen this posted here yet

 

Best interpretation I have read to date on the matter

 

https://13wham.com/buffalo-plus/bills-latest-news/christian-wade-cool-story-but

 

 

Read that too. I really doubt he makes any teams 53 unless very short due to injuries, so he can sign with any team to their practice squad.  Unless he feels the Bills shafted him, would probably be in his best interest to sign with Buffalo as with the extra spot/exemption, it's highly unlikely Buffalo would cut him.  So he's pretty much guaranteed a paycheck and more important a spot all season here.  Likely he makes our PS.