OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) ...interesting read......any rankings way off or anyone missed?....... Buffalo Bills: Who are the Top 100 players in franchise history? Sal Maiorana, Rochester Democrat and Chronicle Published 6:01 a.m. ET Aug. 18, 2019 The Buffalo Bills played their first game in 1960 and Sal Maiorana began covering the team as a full-time beat writer for the Democrat and Chronicle in 1990. As the NFL kicks off its 100th season and the Bills begin their 60th, here are Sal's rankings of the Bills' Top 100 all-time players: https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/08/18/buffalo-bills-nfl-top-100-players-team-history-bruce-smith-jim-kelly-oj-simpson-thurman-thomas/1515173001/ Edited August 18, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDTT Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Interesting set of rankings. Nothing too surprising, although I think I would've ranked Flutie a little higher given his leadership of the team during playoff years. Interesting that they mentioned Jack Kemp's political career. Not sure if they counted that in his ranking, but if so they should also be counting extracurriculars of some of the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Seems fairly reasonable. I would have liked to see Bobby Chandler and Ahmad Rashad on there. Frank Lewis and Don Beebe too. But these lists are tough to do. Edited August 18, 2019 by oldmanfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Seems fairly reasonable. I would have liked to see Bobby Chandler and Ahmad Rashad on there. Frank Lewis and Don Beebe too. But these lists are tough to do. This guy caught fergys sidelines passes better than anyone Will grant please. Edited August 18, 2019 by Helpmenow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Stephon Gilmore overrated as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: No chandler that is a friggin joke. This guy caught fergys sidelines passes better than anyone Will grant please. frank Lewis is another. Wtf Are you old enough to have watched them play? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Seems fairly reasonable. I would have liked to see Bobby Chandler and Ahmad Rashad on there. Frank Lewis and Don Beebe too. But these lists are tough to do. I want Mailon Kent on there somewhere ha ha! You are probably the only one who knows the name! 3 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: No chandler that is a friggin joke. This guy caught fergys sidelines passes better than anyone Will grant please. frank Lewis is another. Wtf Good post - I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Are you old enough to have watched them play? Hell yes Pete mills Bobby Smith and joe auer Donnie stone merv krakau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Helpmenow said: Hell yes Pete mills Bobby Smith and joe auer There you go. Some great names there. I might have had Tippy Day on my list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Are you old enough to have watched them play? I thought you said chandler wasn’t on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) ‘Oops’ McKelvin at #60. ? I guess I tend to remember the bad about a player, as opposed to the good. Edited August 18, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 For a guy who was there since the rockpile days. 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: There you go. Some great names there. I might have had Tippy Day on my list too. Tippy got traded to the chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: There you go. Some great names there. I might have had Tippy Day on my list too. Dubie should be lower. Lofton wasn’t as good as #44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, TDTT said: Interesting set of rankings. Nothing too surprising, although I think I would've ranked Flutie a little higher given his leadership of the team during playoff years. Interesting that they mentioned Jack Kemp's political career. Not sure if they counted that in his ranking, but if so they should also be counting extracurriculars of some of the other players. You don't get extra points for having a cereal. Flutie is lucky to have made the top 100... Just shows the lack of talent the Bills have had to fill out that 100 list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Will Grant & Chandler#81 (#58) are on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 How do you do that list and leave off Willie Totten? Come on man! I stopped after Charles Clay. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Where’s Jim Braxton? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Wray Carlton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I more or less agree with the top ten, but the bottom 30 seems like kind of a mess. I think he based this more on statistics than on actual impact to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Why was Nathan Peterman left off the list?? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, chris heff said: How do you do that list and leave off Willie Totten? Come on man! I stopped after Charles Clay. Same here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) ...no Frank Reich (unless I'm blind)?.......probably one of our best backup QB's.....Butch Byrd at 32 but not on the WOF?.....Stratton at 50 seems low....Fina at 62 and he hated the game...."where else can I make this kind of money" was his quote I believe...... Edited August 18, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, chris heff said: How do you do that list and leave off Willie Totten? Come on man! I stopped after Charles Clay. Charles Clay is on there!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 When comparing players in the rankings, especially ones playing the same position, I evaluated mostly by asking which player's Bills career would I rather have. With that in mind, here are some that I think are off: Tony Greene @ #81. He's 2nd all time with 37 INTs, played 9 years, made a pro bowl,was a good kick return man. DBs ahead of him: 79 Thomas Smith (6 career INTs) 74 Derrick Burroughs Charlie Romes @ #69 DBs ahead of him: 68 Jarius Byrd (great seasons, Romes and Greene pretty close and longevity) 60 Leodis McKelvin Jason Peters 1 behind Incognito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, MJS said: Charles Clay is on there!? ....the Russian judge vote......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I don't know what to make of these lists. Sometimes they are depressing seeing some of the names that are thought to be top 100 for our team. But I guess when you break it down to a single team many other teams would have similar names where you are thinking "that bum made a top 100 list"? I think Flutie is getting shafted. Would switch Flutie with Fitzpratrick. And with both of them on the list we couldn't find a spot for Tyrod? Just remove Chris Kelsay... Chris Kelsay, man forgot how terrible he was, 32.5 sacks in 10 years with us? A whopping 3.2 sacks a year. Lee Evans ahead of Fred Jackson?! I know it only by a few spots but that looks like a glaring mistake to me. Gilmore (#28) that much better than Nate Clements (#45)? Nate has the superior stats as a Bill across the board. Feel like they are letting recency bias and what Gilmore went on to do in New England compared to Nate not doing much at all in San Francisco weigh in on the ranking. Gilmore might be the better player overall when looking at their entire careers but this is supposed to be looking at just their careers as Bills. Otherwise T.O. and Jason Peters would obviously would both be top 10 on this list. Glad to see Beast Mode absent from the list. Had a very good NFL career just didn't do much at all for us in his short time here. I don't have much argument of the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: You don't get extra points for having a cereal. Flutie is lucky to have made the top 100... Just shows the lack of talent the Bills have had to fill out that 100 list. Maybe so but we can also question Fitz being on the list too then. Personally I rank Flutie much higher than Fitz and Tyrod but even if we group them in the same group they are in that group between "Jim Kelly and Joe Ferguson" and "not your typical terrible Bills QB". Then you have Drew Bledose who was basically "your typical terrible Bills QB" for all but one year. But that one year he just so happened to set all the team records. 1 hour ago, chris heff said: How do you do that list and leave off Willie Totten? Come on man! I stopped after Charles Clay. Yeah. That is probably the biggest head scratcher of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don't know what to make of these lists. Sometimes they are depressing seeing some of the names that are thought to be top 100 for our team. But I guess when you break it down to a single team many other teams would have similar names where you are thinking "that bum made a top 100 list"? I think Flutie is getting shafted. Would switch Flutie with Fitzpratrick. And with both of them on the list we couldn't find a spot for Tyrod? Just remove Chris Kelsay... Chris Kelsay, man forgot how terrible he was, 32.5 sacks in 10 years with us? A whopping 3.2 sacks a year. Lee Evans ahead of Fred Jackson?! I know it only by a few spots but that looks like a glaring mistake to me. Gilmore (#28) that much better than Nate Clements (#45)? Nate has the superior stats as a Bill across the board. Feel like they are letting recency bias and what Gilmore went on to do in New England compared to Nate not doing much at all in San Francisco weigh in on the ranking. Gilmore might be the better player overall when looking at their entire careers but this is supposed to be looking at just their careers as Bills. Otherwise T.O. and Jason Peters would obviously would both be top 10 on this list. Glad to see Beast Mode absent from the list. Had a very good NFL career just didn't do much at all for us in his short time here. I don't have much argument of the top 10. ...I lay the blame about FredEx with Dopey Dickie Jauron's vet luvfest......we got to painfully watch Anthony "The A-Caboose" Johnson...STILL remember PAINFULLY the game where Dickie's "Mr. Ed" plow horse failed THREE times from the one while FredEx was picking pine splinters outta his azz with tweezers...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Yeah. That is probably the biggest head scratcher of all. Stats. As for being ‘Clutch Play’ Clay, not so much. Shtupp might like this top 100 list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I lay the blame about FredEx with Dopey Dickie Jauron's vet luvfest......we got to painfully watch Anthony "The A-Caboose" Johnson...STILL remember PAINFULLY the game where Dickie's "Mr. Ed" plow horse failed THREE times from the one while FredEx was picking pine splinters outta his azz with tweezers...... Not just A-train. Fred always got the short end of the stick. Often lower on the depth chart then Lynch and Spiller too. He easily could have been our main back ahead of both those guys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Not just A-train. Fred always got the short end of the stick. Often lower on the depth chart then Lynch and Spiller too. He easily could have been our main back ahead of both those guys. ...damn good call bud...thanks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Will Grant & Chandler#81 (#58) are on the list. Thanks, I didn’t see Chandler Jim Braxton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Bump, so ‘Scoop’ Thrill can see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 McGee should have been 24th.....just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seannc Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Charles Clay should be nowhere near any "Top 100 Players" list. Sam Cowart's career was cut short by injury but was unbelievably good. John Holecek was really good in his few years with the Bills. Either deserves to be on the list more than Clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 sorry I stopped after seeing Charles Clay on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 So 41% of this list played at least one season during The Drought Era: 2 P - Mohr, Moorman 2 K - Christie, Lindell 3 QB - Flutie, Bledsoe, Fitzpatrick 3 RB - Henry, Jackson, McCoy 6 WR - Moulds, Price, Josh Reed, Evans, Parrish, Stevie Johnson 2 TE - Riemersma, Clay 6 OL - Fina, Ruben Brown, Teague, Peters, Wood, Incognito 9 DL - Hansen, Ted Washington, Pat Williams, Schobel, Kelsay, Kyle Williams, Dareus, Mario Williams, Hughes 1 LB - Fletcher 7 DB - Winfield, Clements, McGee, McKelvin, Jairus Byrd, Aaron Williams, Gilmore With all of this talent, you'd think the Bills would have slipped into a wild-card playoff spot once or twice over a 17-year period... More likely, this list is engaging in what I call "recency bias." Obvious examples: Josh Reed, Charles Clay, Trey Teague, and Chris Kelsay have no business on a top-100 all-time Bills list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Seems fairly reasonable. I would have liked to see Bobby Chandler and Ahmad Rashad on there. Frank Lewis and Don Beebe too. But these lists are tough to do. Frank Lewis was #49. Chandler was #58. 12 hours ago, Helpmenow said: Will grant please. Will Grant was #97. Edited August 19, 2019 by from_dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Ted Washington criminally low, IMO. Man was elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) No Mark Kelso or Bill Simpson or Takeo Spikes? Edited August 19, 2019 by from_dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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