Meanwhile at Dolphins camp...

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Not really just he doesn’t really Wow me similar to Dalton. But yeah I guess a Dalton Career would be Solid. But not sure like Dalton you can win a SuperBowl with Darnold. 

Dalton was playing at MVP level and the Bengals might have been the best team in the bro before he got hurt (2016 maybe?).  

 

I think Darnold has gone from overrated to underrated.  He played really well for a rookie at the end of the season and they might have added the best all around rb.  

Just now, GoBills808 said:

 

On what planet is the two-headed FitzRosen combo a better QB than Tannehill? Are you aware they just fired their oline coach a week into training camp? They're tanking dude

The world is called reality.  

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm

 

I know we like to laugh at Fitz but imagine if Josh Allen averaged 295 passing yards/ game and had a 100 qb rating?  I’m guessing we would say he is an upgrade over Tannehill.

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

19 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

If anything this crap with the O-line coach is sad for Rosen more than Miami, second year in a row that he's going to take a beating.

‘Karmic payback’ for the ‘9 mistakes’ comment.

[Beast]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Vegas sets their lines to get people to bet.  I don’t think they are good at all but they aren’t the tire fire they are made out to be.  They had the 30th ranked defense, added a defensive coach and a better qb. I can see them winning 5-6 games, especially with good Fitz.  

 

The Fish are going Tua hunting next April and will not a few measly wins get in their way of getting there.

 

I fully suspect today will be the beginning of some very head scratching (tank) moves to come in the upcoming months.

[aristocrat]

21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t think they’re good but I just think people go overboard.  They had one of the defenses in the nfl last year and managed to win 7 games (that completely surprise me).  I think Fitz is an upgrade over their qbs last year.  I also don’t think our team should be looking down their noses at anyone.  

 

For sure. If Allen sucks we hit that under. 

[Boca BIlls]

Fitz is only an upgrade for a few games... After that he needs those INTs.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dalton was playing at MVP level and the Bengals might have been the best team in the bro before he got hurt (2016 maybe?).  

 

I think Darnold has gone from overrated to underrated.  He played really well for a rookie at the end of the season and they might have added the best all around rb.  

The world is called reality.  

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm

 

I know we like to laugh at Fitz but imagine if Josh Allen averaged 295 passing yards/ game and had a 100 qb rating?  I’m guessing we would say he is an upgrade over Tannehill.

 

 

 

Please re-read those stats and explain how Fitzpatrick is any better than Tannehill. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Well that didn’t take long 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

On what planet is the two-headed FitzRosen combo a better QB than Tannehill? Are you aware they just fired their oline coach a week into training camp? They're tanking dude

 

Tannehill sucks. Like really bad. The other two might as well.... but Lord I can't watch Tannehill. He is the white Tyrod Taylor. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Tannehill sucks. Like really bad. The other two might as well.... but Lord I can't watch Tannehill. He is the white Tyrod Taylor. 

No no no.   That would be Blake Bortles 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

No no no.   That would be Blake Bortles 

 

I'd rather watch Bortles than Tannehill. Tannehill is the most boring Quarterback to watch in the NFL. 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tannehill sucks. Like really bad. The other two might as well.... but Lord I can't watch Tannehill. He is the white Tyrod Taylor. 

 

Except Tanny Could throw for 4000 yards which tyrod could never do

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tannehill sucks. Like really bad. The other two might as well.... but Lord I can't watch Tannehill. He is the white Tyrod Taylor. 

There was never a time when I was nervous to face Tannehill.  It’s my fear we end up with Allen being a Tannehill player. Ok enough to not want to give up on him but deep down, you know he’s not good enough.

 

there is no question I’d rather play again Tannehill than Fitz.  Fitz might throw 4 ints but he also could throw 5 tds.  Tannehill is the definition of meh.

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Except Tanny Could throw for 4000 yards which tyrod could never do

The most empty 4, 000 yards ever.  It’s liek when Stafford had 5,000 yard passing seasons.  They were pretty much meaningless. 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tannehill sucks. Like really bad. The other two might as well.... but Lord I can't watch Tannehill. He is the white Tyrod Taylor. 

He's boring for sure, but he doesn't suck really bad. He's mediocre. He's the kind of QB you move on from 100%...but he's better than Fitzpatrick and that's not even debatable. 

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's boring for sure, but he doesn't suck really bad. He's mediocre. He's the kind of QB you move on from 100%...but he's better than Fitzpatrick and that's not even debatable. 

You’re right.  Even though Fitz has been fair superior than Tannehill last year, he is clearly better.  Solid argument. 

 

Also when you break down Fitz’ career, he has been in terrible situations.  What he did with our waiver wire group was impressive.  He won 10 games with the Jets when they were supposed to be the worst team in the NFL.  

Edited July 29, 2019 by C.Biscuit97

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re right.  Even though Fitz has been fair superior than Tannehill last year, he is clearly better.  Solid argument. 

 

Sure, let's disregard the entire scope of their careers and instead focus on one single year in which Fitzpatrick posted career outliers in pretty much every statistical category throwing to Mike Evans and Desean Jackson while Tannehill had his #1WR traded. Solid argument.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's boring for sure, but he doesn't suck really bad. He's mediocre. He's the kind of QB you move on from 100%...but he's better than Fitzpatrick and that's not even debatable. 

 

I'd take Fitz. Today. Sunday. And every day until eternity. Hell I'd take EJ freaking Manuel over Ryan Tannehill at least then I can see I have a sucky QB. No. No. No. Tannehill is the worst kind of sucky. He is just sucky enough that you lose by one. How the Miami Dolphins stuck with him as long as they did is a complete mystery to me. These people must be lacking in eyes. Or brains. Maybe he bored them all to sleep sufficiently that the whole of Miami was in induced comas by week 3 of every season and missed groundhog day playing out again. People throw Tannehill in with Andy Dalton and Alex Smith.... he isn't fit to sniff either of their jocks. They are limited game managers but you know what they do? They manage games. Tannehill game manages you to below .500. At least Fitz tries to win. 

 

Screw Ryan Tannehill. He is ***** hopeless. When you have Ryan Tannehill you have no hope. 

[skibum]

Don't laugh too hard - No matter how bad the Fins might play, at some point before the year is out, Wilkins is going to drop a 315-pound bomb on Josh Allen. I hope it ends well. 

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Sure, let's disregard the entire scope of their careers and instead focus on one single year in which Fitzpatrick posted career outliers in pretty much every statistical category throwing to Mike Evans and Desean Jackson while Tannehill had his #1WR traded. Solid argument.

Wait.  You mean the most recent year?  Solid argument. 

Edited July 30, 2019 by C.Biscuit97

[Boca BIlls]

Last year Fitz was like "Wait what am I doing throwing TDs" He then turned back into himself like clockwork.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd take Fitz. Today. Sunday. And every day until eternity. Hell I'd take EJ freaking Manuel over Ryan Tannehill at least then I can see I have a sucky QB. No. No. No. Tannehill is the worst kind of sucky. He is just sucky enough that you lose by one. How the Miami Dolphins stuck with him as long as they did is a complete mystery to me. These people must be lacking in eyes. Or brains. Maybe he bored them all to sleep sufficiently that the whole of Miami was in induced comas by week 3 of every season and missed groundhog day playing out again. People throw Tannehill in with Andy Dalton and Alex Smith.... he isn't fit to sniff either of their jocks. They are limited game managers but you know what they do? They manage games. Tannehill game manages you to below .500. At least Fitz tries to win. 

 

Screw Ryan Tannehill. He is ***** hopeless. When you have Ryan Tannehill you have no hope. 

And his wife, while not ugly, was completely overrated!!!

 

Tennessee has the most potential but will never live up it qb depth chart on the nfl.  It’s Mariota!  It’s Tannehill! It’s disappointment!

Just now, Boca BIlls said:

Last year Fitz was like "Wait what am I doing throwing TDs" He then turned back into himself like clockwork.

I’d take 295 passing yards and 100 qb rating from a Bills qb. 

[Steptide]

I feel bad for Fitz. He somehow ends up with bad teams, and the one team he started for that was good (2015 jets) he misses the playoffs by losing to his former team (bills). Though he's been paid alot so I don't feel THAT bad 

[Boca BIlls]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

And his wife, while not ugly, was completely overrated!!!

 

Tennessee has the most potential but will never live up it qb depth chart on the nfl.  It’s Mariota!  It’s Tannehill! It’s disappointment!

I’d take 295 passing yards and 100 qb rating from a Bills qb. 

Of course you would b.c you wouldn't care if it came with only 6 wins.

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

I feel bad for Fitz. He somehow ends up with bad teams, and the one team he started for that was good (2015 jets) he misses the playoffs by losing to his former team (bills). Though he's been paid alot so I don't feel THAT bad 

Bad teams? He had chances to "Win and you're in" and he INTed his way out of those games.

[GoBills808]

 

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wait.  You mean the most recent year?  Solid argument. 

 

I'm going to assume you're bright enough to realize a guy whose career stats look like this-

 

60% completion.....208 YPG.....6.2 YPA....81.1 rating

 

is having what we call an outlier of a year when he posts stats like this-

 

66.7% completion...296 YPG....9.6 YPA....100.1 rating

 

and you shouldn't use it to draw any real conclusions. That's just me though.

[eball]

I stop by this thread to have a chuckle at the expense of the Fish and lo and behold, here’s sea biscuit defending their honor and lecturing Bills fans about why they shouldn’t mock another team. 
 

It’s a bizarro world around here. 

[C.Biscuit97]

25 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Of course you would b.c you wouldn't care if it came with only 6 wins.

Bad teams? He had chances to "Win and you're in" and he INTed his way out of those games.

So if Fitz did that with the number 2 defense we had, what’s our record last year?  And before you say we don’t have the receivers TB has, he did it with some scrubs here.  

 

Fitz is the second best qb in the division right now.  

24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

 

I'm going to assume you're bright enough to realize a guy whose career stats look like this-

 

60% completion.....208 YPG.....6.2 YPA....81.1 rating

 

is having what we call an outlier of a year when he posts stats like this-

 

66.7% completion...296 YPG....9.6 YPA....100.1 rating

 

and you shouldn't use it to draw any real conclusions. That's just me though.

Yeah, I’m go with the most recent year.  I fear Fitz more than I fear Tannehill.  There’s a reason the Fins had to throw in a 6th round pick with him just to get a 4th.  Hint, he’s meh.  Hot Fitz >>>> meh Tannehill bad Fitz << Meh Tannehill 

12 minutes ago, eball said:

I stop by this thread to have a chuckle at the expense of the Fish and lo and behold, here’s sea biscuit defending their honor and lecturing Bills fans about why they shouldn’t mock another team. 
 

It’s a bizarro world around here. 

You’re annoying. ?. But yup, the fans of a 6 win team shouldn’t be laughing at 7 win one.  Especially when 2 of those wins came against that team and they fired everyone because of it. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

Yeah, I’m go with the most recent year.  I fear Fitz more than I fear Tannehill.  There’s a reason the Fins had to throw in a 6th round pick with him just to get a 4th.  Hint, he’s meh.  Hot Fitz >>>> meh Tannehill bad Fitz << Meh Tannehill 

You’re right. We should totally make conclusions based on something that happened in one half of one season out of 13.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You’re right. We should totally make conclusions based on something that happened in one half of one season out of 13.

Yes, I weigh the most recent more than RT’s last “good” season 4 years ago.  

 

We’ll agree to disagree.  I know what Fitz is.  But his best is a lot more scary than RT’s.  There were very few qbs I feared the Bills going against less than Tannehill.  

[RiotAct]

we had better not lose either of the Miami games this year.  That team is a mess.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 There were very few qbs I feared the Bills going against less than Tannehill.  

 

Agree. So far in the shoutbox I have admitted to Geno Smith and the Brocketship. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

As much as I like picking on Miami, it seems like only yesterday that Ralph Wilson was standing at a microphone explaining that it was Tuesday, so it must be Belgium.

 

More to the point, I've given up on mocking schittshows because we've been one a time or two.

 

Unless you're NE*, in which case I don't care because they notable cheaters, and while our team may a schittshow, it's not so lowly that it would resort to cheating.

They've been a schittshow also, it's just been awhile. During a good stretch of our heyday(89-93) they won 19 and lost 61, including a 1-15 season and a 2-14 year.

 

[Don Otreply]

41 minutes ago, eball said:

I stop by this thread to have a chuckle at the expense of the Fish and lo and behold, here’s sea biscuit defending their honor and lecturing Bills fans about why they shouldn’t mock another team. 
 

It’s a bizarro world around here. 

This ^^^^

 

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, skibum said:

Don't laugh too hard - No matter how bad the Fins might play, at some point before the year is out, Wilkins is going to drop a 315-pound bomb on Josh Allen. I hope it ends well. 

 

What?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Rosen will be the first to flame out in the afce. Followed by Darnold a couple years later.

 

Darnold and Allen will be going at each other the entire time both are playing for the Jets and Bills like Marino and Kelly. There is no way Darnold flames out...

[eball]

38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You’re annoying. ?

 

 

Dude, if anyone is annoying it’s Mr. “I’m worried about this, I fear that, and oh, my heart has been broken by the Bills too many times to have hope.”

 

You’re like a teenage girl, for crying out loud.

This is supposed to be fun, try enjoying it! 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

I’d take 295 passing yards and 100 qb rating from a Bills qb. 

He played in 8 games, after his first two he had 8 TDS & 1 INT. In true Fitzy fashion he had an opportunity to ***** the starting job from Winston, then finished the season with 9 TDs & 11 INTs. Every time he has something substantial to gain, when he's right on the cusp, he Schitts the bed. 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

He's boring for sure, but he doesn't suck really bad. He's mediocre. He's the kind of QB you move on from 100%...but he's better than Fitzpatrick and that's not even debatable. 

 

It's debatable because Fitz is almost never mediocre.  So if you happen to hit "bad Fitz" he's clearly worse.  If you happen to hit "good Fitz" he's clearly better.

I mean, yeah?  Career wise, Tanny's stats are a bit better than Fitz,  62.8 vs 60.1% completions, 1.6 vs 1.3 TD/INT, 24 more YPG

Then you get into arguing what personnel each of them had when blah blah -

Tannehill is consistently not quite bad enough to move on from, and not quite good enough to get you there

Fitz is Fool's Gold - he's bright and shiny and brilliant until he collapses and sucks.

 

Which is better?  I guess it's a matter of taste.

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's debatable because Fitz is almost never mediocre.  So if you happen to hit "bad Fitz" he's clearly worse.  If you happen to hit "good Fitz" he's clearly better.

I mean, yeah?  Career wise, Tanny's stats are a bit better than Fitz,  62.8 vs 60.1% completions, 1.6 vs 1.3 TD/INT, 24 more YPG

Then you get into arguing what personnel each of them had when blah blah -

Tannehill is consistently not quite bad enough to move on from, and not quite good enough to get you there

Fitz is Fool's Gold - he's bright and shiny and brilliant until he collapses and sucks.

 

Which is better?  I guess it's a matter of taste.

 

 

I should have said it's not a meaningful debate. Tannehill is statistically superior in every category. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

I should have said it's not a meaningful debate. Tannehill is statistically superior in every category. 

 

Well, here's where I'll debate.  I'm not entirely sure differences of 2.7% in completions and 0.3 in TD/INT or 24 ypg are "superior"

They're higher numbers, surely.  But isn't it kind of like debating whether a Toyota Corolla is superior to a Honda Civic?  Maybe you can make a case, but they're both compact cars at the end of the day.

 

A nit but as far as "every category", Tannehill's career rushing is about the same as Fitz puts up in a year.  So there's that.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's debatable because Fitz is almost never mediocre.  So if you happen to hit "bad Fitz" he's clearly worse.  If you happen to hit "good Fitz" he's clearly better.

I mean, yeah?  Career wise, Tanny's stats are a bit better than Fitz,  62.8 vs 60.1% completions, 1.6 vs 1.3 TD/INT, 24 more YPG

Then you get into arguing what personnel each of them had when blah blah -

Tannehill is consistently not quite bad enough to move on from, and not quite good enough to get you there

Fitz is Fool's Gold - he's bright and shiny and brilliant until he collapses and sucks.

 

Which is better?  I guess it's a matter of taste.

 

This is all true. Even though I pick on him, I'd take Fitzy over Tanny any day of the week, even if it's just for entertainment value. It's going to be exciting one way or the other, with Tanny your prone to falling asleep while watching him.

 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, here's where I'll debate.  I'm not entirely sure differences of 2.7% in completions and 0.3 in TD/INT or 24 ypg are "superior"

They're higher numbers, surely.

 

A nit but as far as "every category", Tannehill's career rushing is about the same as Fitz puts up in a year.  So there's that.

It's the difference between being the 18th and 45th highest completion% of all time. 24 YPG is the difference between being the 26th and 46th YPG QB.