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1) Josh Allen 

 

2) The retirement of Brady and Belichick 

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14 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Except that the Bills haven't proven they can score "lots of points" against anybody under McDermott.  They mostly have lots of points scored against them.  It's why their points scored differentials have been massively negative in both of McDermott's first two seasons.  Last season they not only couldn't score "lots of points", they gave up "lots of points", too. 

 

Hopefully experience helps Edmunds and the other young LBs improve.  Unfortunately, the laws of physics are pretty immutable: when a bigger body smashes into a smaller body, it's the smaller body that gets knocked off its trajectory  while the bigger body's course is frequently unaffected by a smaller body smashing into it.

You may want to consider the concept of tackling.  Where the defender does things like wrap his arms around the runner to bring him down, especially around the legs. 

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8 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Unless you are playing the Patriots, who realize you have a bunch of 228# LB’s and pound the ball down your throat. Be ahead of the curve for once. Not the standard set, but have the guys to stand up against it. 

Buffalo hasn't done a great deal to address run defense.  Changing out the retired Kyle Williams for Ed Oliver doesn't seem to address run defense.  It looks like they're hoping that maturation from Tremaine Edmunds and the return to full health from Trent Murphy will be enough.  I hope that's enough.

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9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Unless you are playing the Patriots, who realize you have a bunch of 228# LB’s and pound the ball down your throat. Be ahead of the curve for once. Not the standard set, but have the guys to stand up against it. 

 

This is the exact point. The Pats used 2 TEs or a FB in the playoffs last year and mashed the ball on the ground against nickel defenses. Then when teams went with bigger personnel, the Pats split the TE out wide and got Gronk matched up against slower or smaller players. Versatile offensive pieces have to be matched up with hybrid-type defensive pieces.

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3 hours ago, H2o said:

I have high hopes for Knox and I think he's given more than the average opportunity to make an impact due to our depth chart. Hope he makes the most of it. 

Many have liked him to Hockenson

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3 hours ago, vorpma said:

The Arena Football crowd and dire need for showtime; the running game, the power running game, and run stuffing linebackers still win super bowls. Great coaches do what it takes to win - run, pass, special teams.

Run stuffing linebackers don't win anything. You have to primarily be good in coverage. The really good LB's are good at both. The decent ones are good at coverage. The run stuffers are almost gone because they cant cover.

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3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Except that the Bills haven't proven they can score "lots of points" against anybody under McDermott.  They mostly have lots of points scored against them.  It's why their points scored differentials have been massively negative in both of McDermott's first two seasons.  Last season they not only couldn't score "lots of points", they gave up "lots of points", too. 

 

Hopefully experience helps Edmunds and the other young LBs improve.  Unfortunately, the laws of physics are pretty immutable: when a bigger body smashes into a smaller body, it's the smaller body that gets knocked off its trajectory  while the bigger body's course is frequently unaffected by a smaller body smashing into it.

I think they may have addressed the Offense a bit in the offseason.

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1 hour ago, MJS said:

Run stuffing linebackers don't win anything. You have to primarily be good in coverage. The really good LB's are good at both. The decent ones are good at coverage. The run stuffers are almost gone because they cant cover.

Not arguing with you, you have to do both - no kidding; been that way since the advent of the forward pass. But you can still get your butt whipped by the power running game, sorry, you still need a balanced offense and good coaches can beat pass crazy offences; just ask Marv Levy and the no huddle! You guys have to get grounded in reality and stop fantasizing about Showtime Offenses lighting up the board; go to Arena Football because the NFL and good coaches will find a way to shut it down!

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Rex Ryan was a damn buffoon but I fail to see how his skydiving was a detriment or related to the other stuff. If he had been a serious dedicated coach, all his marketing ploys would have been added benefits.

 

 

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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

two-reason-for-hope

 

1) Josh Allen 

 

2) The retirement of Brady and Belichick 

Good D's have come and gone over the years in Buffalo, some probably good enough to win a championship.

 

If you had/have a franchise QB...

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13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

To get there, I see the biggest defensive Needs this way:

 

1) run defense can’t occasionally randomly get stream rolled for 200 yards  

 

2)  need a really solid CB not named Tre White

 

3) young Tre Ed is to the defense as Josh is to the O.  Will need to have taken a monster step

  

4) Ed will need to adapt to a less familiar role.  

 

5) get better at keeping opponents out of the end zone 

And,as often as possible, score more points than the other team. This is the key to victory.

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1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Rex Ryan was a damn buffoon but I fail to see how his skydiving was a detriment or related to the other stuff. If he had been a serious dedicated coach, all his marketing ploys would have been added benefits.

 

 

I think part of the problem was exactly that--as a HC, he couldn't juggle competency with marketing at the same time. 

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8 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

And the Pats recognized this, cramming the ball down everyones throats down the stretch last season.

 

This was predicted years ago.  It was just a matter of time.  When front 7's get smaller but offensive lines stay the same size, this is what you get.  

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5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I really like our linebackers.  I think @Buffalo716 has it right that Milano will be a strong contender for defensive MVP for us. 

We have a core of LBrs that are tailor-made for the modern NFL

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6 hours ago, eball said:

These posts are great but it always comes down to people in one of two camps: those who see hope and optimism, and those who insist the Bills will never figure it out.

 

I am not feeling the above in this thread.

 

Nobody said that run stuffing LBs are more important that pass defending LBs.  Even in college the pass defending LB is more important. The problem is that those guys tend to be smaller and this can make life easier for big, strong backs. Other teams have started to notice this.

 

This btw can actually help the Bills. Gore is very strong and Yelden has some power as well. The Bills can't always be on the losing end of the power game and be successful in Buffalo imo, and it seems that they recognize this.

 

 

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Great now come the string of arrests and failed drug tests 

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1 hour ago, Capco said:

 

This was predicted years ago.  It was just a matter of time.  When front 7's get smaller but offensive lines stay the same size, this is what you get.  

Exactly! Hopefully the Bills can do the same

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9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You may want to consider the concept of tackling.  Where the defender does things like wrap his arms around the runner to bring him down, especially around the legs. 

 

Big backs frequently drag smaller tacklers, DBs and undersized LBs for 5 or more yards until they're gang tackled.   We saw this ad nauseum when Jauron filled the defense with smaller, fast guys in an era where numerous RBs outweighed the smurf defenders on the Bills roster.  This was also a reason why there were so many injuries to Bills players.   I''m not saying that McDermott is going down that route, but the team has to be prepared to deal with power running backs.  A better defensive line would help immensely.

 

4 hours ago, Capco said:

 

This was predicted years ago.  It was just a matter of time.  When front 7's get smaller but offensive lines stay the same size, this is what you get.  

 

This is the way it always is.  The NFL has often been called a copycat league.  One team does X on offense and has success, and numerous other teams try to emulate that.   Defenses get surprised at first but then 1 or more DCs figure out how to stop it, and the offenses find something else to try.   It's an endless game of chess moves.

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19 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

To get there, I see the biggest defensive Needs this way:

 

1) run defense can’t occasionally randomly get stream rolled for 200 yards  

 

2)  need a really solid CB not named Tre White

 

3) young Tre Ed is to the defense as Josh is to the O.  Will need to have taken a monster step

  

4) Ed will need to adapt to a less familiar role.  

 

5) get better at keeping opponents out of the end zone 

 

6) Force more pressure on opponent QBs, cant be in the 28-32 range in sacks

7) need to force and recover more turnovers see 1-6 above

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19 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

To get there, I see the biggest defensive Needs this way:

 

1) run defense can’t occasionally randomly get stream rolled for 200 yards  

 

2)  need a really solid CB not named Tre White

 

3) young Tre Ed is to the defense as Josh is to the O.  Will need to have taken a monster step

  

4) Ed will need to adapt to a less familiar role.  

 

5) get better at keeping opponents out of the end zone 

 

Best way to do 1 is have an effective offense.

 

as much as any player, Manning was a big time part of why the colts Tampa 2 was effective and ours wasn’t. If we can let pass rushers key on the qb, and pull the back 7 out of run support, we have the makings of an excellent group. If the opponent is able to grind on short fields with a lead, it’ll be a long year.

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17 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Big backs frequently drag smaller tacklers, DBs and undersized LBs for 5 or more yards until they're gang tackled.   We saw this ad nauseum when Jauron filled the defense with smaller, fast guys in an era where numerous RBs outweighed the smurf defenders on the Bills roster.  This was also a reason why there were so many injuries to Bills players.   I''m not saying that McDermott is going down that route, but the team has to be prepared to deal with power running backs.  A better defensive line would help immensely.

 

 

This is the way it always is.  The NFL has often been called a copycat league.  One team does X on offense and has success, and numerous other teams try to emulate that.   Defenses get surprised at first but then 1 or more DCs figure out how to stop it, and the offenses find something else to try.   It's an endless game of chess moves.

The D line will be integral to be sure.  One of the things I like about McD is that his guys on D know how to tackle.  The DBs especially use good technique.  As much as Gilmore has thrived in pass coverage, when he was a Bill I got tired of watching him just throw a shoulder at a guy and not even try to bring him down.

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11 hours ago, teef said:

scott and his hard on for edmunds continues...

You confuse a hard on with a limp noodle.  ...... interesting.

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12 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Famous. Last. Words.  

 

A couple of other posters mentioned the Pats going run heavy last season -- and they added another RB in the off season. 

The Jets have added Le'Von Bell.

The Ravens are apparently building a run-first offense and the Lions seem to be trying to give Matthew Stafford a running game for the first time in his career.   The Seahawks have always been a run-heavy offensive team in the Pete Carroll era.

 

Power running backs haven't become obsolete, either.  Most playoff teams have one -- Todd Gurley, Mark Ingram, Ezekiel Elliott, etc.

 

 

 

 

I don't wholly disagree, but I think the Bills have enough pieces in place to improve their run defense IF Edmunds develops. That is going to be the most important factor as to whether or not the defense can get better in the run game as well as the RZ; a close second will be Murphy's health and Lawson's ability to at least get a little bit better at tackling the QB (regarding RZ D). I would have liked to see them add a Clark or a Clowney, but that ship has likely sailed. 

 

I would also say speed/coverage linebackers are fine against the majority of modern running backs IF the defensive line holds up. I'm looking at you STAR(seems ironic). I'd actually prefer speed/coverage linebackers against Bell, but he's a whole different animal. 

 

This is a pass first league despite the examples you cited(and they were good ones) so I'm perfectly fine with the "type" of LB's the Bills are assembling. We'll see if Edmunds can improve his recognition. I'm unconvinced.

 

Rarely disagree with any of your posts, so I had to shoot my shot!

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19 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

1. This June-July period has been incredibly quiet on the Bills front. Nobody has lost an arm, gotten a DUI, been arrested, run around naked, or threatened a holdout.

Tyler Kroft's injury and Tyrel Dodson arrested on domestic violence charge seem to be the big issues while there was a lot of good karma this period.

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12 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Except that the Bills haven't proven they can score "lots of points" against anybody under McDermott.  They mostly have lots of points scored against them.  It's why their points scored differentials have been massively negative in both of McDermott's first two seasons.  Last season they not only couldn't score "lots of points", they gave up "lots of points", too. 

 

Hopefully experience helps Edmunds and the other young LBs improve.  Unfortunately, the laws of physics are pretty immutable: when a bigger body smashes into a smaller body, it's the smaller body that gets knocked off its trajectory  while the bigger body's course is frequently unaffected by a smaller body smashing into it.

You're right on the offense, of course.  The first year of McDermott's tenure was pretty much a waste on the offensive side of the LOS.  Buffalo still had a starting QB who is better described as a place holder than a franchise QB.  Moreover, they had an old school west coast OC who didn't have the creativity do do anything with the sub par collection of offensive players he had.  They weren't terrible on offense, but they weren't really very good either.  Then last year, they had a raw rookie QB behind a terrible offensive line.  I don't think we saw enough to really know what we have in Brian Daboll as OC, and we haven't seen what we hope Josh Allen will become.  A few flashes have been encouraging, but he's got a long ways to go.  On defense, I don't think the Bills are THAT undersized.  Ed Oliver is clearly on the small side as a DT.  It remains to be seen how that will play of.  Harrison Phillips is also somewhat undersized as a nose tackle in relief for Star Lotulelei.  Lotulelei is not huge, but he's big enough, and pretty strong, while Jordan Phillips is huge for a 3 tech.  Jerry Hughes is not the biggest  DE in the league, but he's far from the smallest.  Murphy and Shaq Lawson on the other side are fine.  The only starting LB who is undersized this season is Milano.  Edmunds is a freak in his combo of size strength and speed.  That could change in 2020 assuming Lorax retires.  The DBs are fairly average in size, maybe a little below  average but nothing alarming.

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