major Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Watched some highlights of Ken Stabler. Josh Allen reminds me of him. He was scrappy, took the hits, ran when needed (when he was younger), and was clutch. Think Josh has a stronger arm than Stabler did. Hope Josh will get us a super bowl win like “the snake” did for the raiders. Does he remind you of Stabler or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 He certainly doesn't have Stabler's mullett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 I was thinking Elway 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, major said: Does he remind you of Stabler or someone else? With the protection he had last year, he reminded me of a guy running from a 7.2 earthquake. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) I'd go just a little deeper into Raider history and think about Daryle "Mad Bomber" Lamonica as a Josh Allen prototype. Lamonica had a stronger arm than Stabler - more like Josh. And liked to throw deep - hence the nickname. The Raiders used to stretch defenses with their vertical passing game and then take advantage by running the ball - often between the tackles. In other words, Oakland reversed the conventional thinking of the time and used the passing game to open up the running game. I'm not sure that wouldn't work for the Bills, with our outside speed and strong-armed quarterback. If we force defenses to respect the deep pass, Shady and Gore will find less defenders in the box. Edited July 11, 2019 by hondo in seattle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I was thinking Elway Minus the horse teeth, I assume 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Just now, Starr Almighty said: Minus the horse teeth, I assume And the ‘bolt neck’? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 He reminds me of a mobile Kerry Collins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I was thinking Elway Agree, especially in Elway's younger years. Later in his career he slid more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Being an old guy , i have seen quite a few , but truthfully i am hoping for a Mahomes like second season and beyond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) Interesting comp. A nice one that doesn't come up a lot in QB comps. I can see some Stabler in him for sure. Does no one see Brett Favre in him? That's been my comp to the tee. I'd have thought it would come up more often. Favre even ran those north south scrambles like Josh does when they'd choose to take off. Favre not as often or as fast, but he ran vertically for solid gains every few games. He definitely dropped the scrambling altogether after like 5 years as a young buck. But his instincts, catching the secondary cheating on an unconventional read with his arm power, leadership, confidence, occasional recklessness, willingness to take off when the defense is off guard, and general unpredictability (in a positive way) in his play all give me Favre vibes. And I strongly disagree with the Steve Young comparisons.. I see nothing to that comp other than running quarterbacks. Completely different style of scrambling too IMO. Elway I can understand. 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Stabler was a hard drinker, womanizer, party animal of lets say questionable preparation. You saying Josh Allen doesn't get any action?? Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: stabler and J Allen, in terms of personality are about as different as night and day. Stabler's arm was sub par for an NFL QB, unlike Mr Allen. Stabler was a hard drinker, womanizer, party animal of lets say questionable preparation. I have zero doubt he played games severely hungover, especially from what friends tell me of his time they saw him at 2 am at the Absinthe Bar in NOLA the morning of games. I also remember in horror watching a "total meltdown" by Stabler in Q4 up by 21? to magically lose to the Cowboys on prime time. No one can ever convince me he didn't throw that game. Stabler was on some great Raider teams, i think he had more luck than skill but he did win. Once he went to the Saints he was exposed as a very mediocre His last years with the Saints were an embarrassment. I think it's hard to say any Hall of Famer had more luck than skill He was pretty talented 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: No i wasn't saying that, dont ask me ask his girlfriend he lives with. dang I thought he was single. Idk why but i just think it's hilarious imagining Josh Allen being a womanizer and absolute lady killer just taking a shot at all the upstate NY women he meets. He just seems like such a dork and guy that marries his highschool sweetheart faithfully (so obviously comes off as a nice guy). And in his later years a total dork dad. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 I don't ever compare players to other 1st ballot Hall of famers because nobody will ever replicate what they did , how they did it All the greats have their own style IF I HAD to pick a player that I think Allen plays like it would be Steve Air McNair Both small school guys, big , physical specimens... Can throw a football over a mountain and could run like a back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't ever compare players to other 1st ballot Hall of famers because nobody will ever replicate what they did , how they did it All the greats have their own style IF I HAD to pick a player that I think Allen plays like it would be Steve Air McNair Both small school guys, big , physical specimens... Can throw a football over a mountain and could run like a back ooh good one, I've heard that before. Idk comps are useful they're not suggesting talent will be the same, just the style of play, strenghts, weaknesses, tendencies are similar. NBA does it for players every draft they are super fun. It's fun to see a player and think "wow he really does have the same skill set". The HOF ability still translates in NBA. At some point people have similarities they're all throwing a football and very talented. I don't see 1st ballot Hall of famers do many things nobody else can EVER do, just not with as much regularity or as much success. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: dang I thought he was single. Idk why but i just think it's hilarious imagining Josh Allen being a womanizer and absolute lady killer just taking a shot at all the upstate NY women he meets. He just seems like such a dork and guy that marries his highschool sweetheart faithfully (so obviously comes off as a nice guy). And in his later years a total dork dad. I agree, i can definitely see him marrying his current girlfriend ending up as a "dork dad", the direct opposite of Ken Stabler. 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't ever compare players to other 1st ballot Hall of famers because nobody will ever replicate what they did , how they did it All the greats have their own style IF I HAD to pick a player that I think Allen plays like it would be Steve Air McNair Both small school guys, big , physical specimens... Can throw a football over a mountain and could run like a back Good points but Stabler was not a 1st ballot HOF, his came decades after he stopped playing and posthumously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I agree, i can definitely see him marrying his current girlfriend ending up as a "dork dad", the direct opposite of Ken Stabler. Good points but Stabler was not a 1st ballot HOF, his came decades after he stopped playing and posthumously. True true . Ken was a sneaky mobile guy and a good QB But I don't think he physically matches up to Allen. Allen is a thoroughbred And I pretty much meant I don't compare HoFRs to other guys. If Allen makes the HoF he plays like Josh Allen not Jim Kelly. There's only 1 Kelly and Favre and Elway And all the greats had their own style Edited July 11, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I agree, i can definitely see him marrying his current girlfriend ending up as a "dork dad", the direct opposite of Ken Stabler. Welp. Sorry women of upstate NY. You will get your single superstar renaissance man quarterback stud at some point... Unless he's heard about California. Then you might not see your quarterback at the Rochester bars so often. Tyrod came off as shy and a guy that doesn't go out much. Now Fitz.. he's had a midlife crisis since being in Tampa. Watch out ladies. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 The Snake is my all-time favorite player in the NFL and the only non-Bills jersey I have bought. I grew up watching him play but in all honesty I don't see the comparison. Allen definitely has a better arm. Stabler was more of a precision passer. Stabler could move around in the pocket to avoid the rush but his knees were in bad shape by the time he made it to the NFL. Personality Allen strikes me a the all-American boy next door while Stabler was the original Joe Cool. I'd love it if were true but I don't see it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Hate to say in Stabler is much more like Flutie as a player than he is J Allen.. Flutie is a poor man's stabler in the pocket. . He would've killed for stablers NFL career Ken had some good years. MVP, all pro , 4x pro bowler, HoF Edited July 11, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: With the protection he had last year, he reminded me of a guy running from a 7.2 earthquake. And Stabler has one the all-time great lines with Upshaw, Shell, Jim Otto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Hate to say in Stabler is much more like Flutie as a player than he is J Allen.. Yeah we keep bringing up scrambling abilities but I see a difference from Josh Allen's decisive downhill running and most scramblers typically East/West until they see a safe hole. And there's plenty of downhill runners. I thought Favre had that same decisiveness about him. Colin Kaepernick's ability in running and decision to run as well. That's just off the top of my head but I saw Steve Young and John Elway rely on agility and the threat of being able to pass behind the LoS to get rushing yards rather than Josh Allen get his yards by reading the coverage and knowing fairly soon he's just going to bolt past the LoS early in the play. Beyond rushing, I look for what the passes look like as Allen throws the ball on a rope, and Flutie had arm strength but also but a lot of air on his ball. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Just now, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Yeah we keep bringing up scrambling abilities but I see a difference from Josh Allen's decisive downhill running and most scramblers typically East/West until they see a safe hole. And there's plenty of downhill runners. I thought Favre had that same decisiveness about him. Colin Kaepernick's ability in running and decision to run as well. That's just off the top of my head but I saw Steve Young and John Elway rely on agility and the threat of being able to pass behind the LoS to get rushing yards rather than Josh Allen get his yards by reading the coverage and knowing fairly seen he's just going to bolt past the LoS early in the play. You are correct in terms of running, Fltuie was a "scrappy" runner good to allude a tackle of two and maybe get 10 yards. When Allen sees a clearing, the man has shocking speed and can rip of 20-50 yards at a clip. His acceleration is extraordinary, he gets up to speed very quickly and just like his powerful arm, it looks fairly effortless when he runs. I thin Allen was "timed" at over 20 mph after three steps in one of this runs. His big legs gobble up ground quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: You are correct in terms of running, Fltuie was a "scrappy" runner good to allude a tackle of two and maybe get 10 yards. When Allen sees a clearing, the man has shocking speed and can rip of 20-50 yards at a clip. His acceleration is extraordinary, he gets up to speed very quickly and just like his powerful arm, it looks fairly effortless when he runs. I thin Allen was "timed" at over 20 mph after three steps in one of this runs. His big legs gobble up ground quickly. Right, Allen's opposite of the spectrum from like.. Fran Tarkenton, yet when we do comps, many successful running quarterbacks we cite based mostly on rushing accolades are more like Fran. Certainly reminds me of Terrell Pryor or Collin Kaepernick but this is interesting.. how many great quarterbacks do you recall having that kind of running style? I don't recall how McNair ran exactly, don't remember what he looked like in his earlier years. He rarely ran at the end. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Right, Allen's opposite of the spectrum from like.. Fran Tarkenton, yet when we do comps, many successful running quarterbacks are more like Fran. I don't recall how McNair ran exactly, don't remember what he looked like in his earlier years. He rarely ran at the end. McNair was a beast of a runner who was not afraid to punish would be ball tacklers He also leaped over guys into the endzone before Edited July 11, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: McNair was a beast of a runner who was not afraid to punish would be ball carriers He also leaped over guys into the endzone before Legend has it Josh Allen leaped over a monster Viking one day on the gridiron. Sounds like McNair ran downhill then? I imagine there has to be other successful quarterbacks using the rushing option early in the play as sort of a coverage read knowing they can embarrass the spy a la Kiko Alonso. JA went right for him.. cause he knew Kiko was a bad spy generally looking to hit defenseless QBs. McNair might be a strong comp then. I can't think of many great quarterbacks with that rushing style. AND KIKO TURNED HIS BACK BEFORE CONTACT. Fantastic JA. Kiko acted tough when QBs slide right in front of him after the whistle. He certainly was not prepared for a QB, and one of the bigger rushers he's had to tackle in his career, heat seeking him with the truck stick. Edited July 11, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Legend has it Josh Allen leaped over a monster Viking one day on the gridiron. Sounds like McNair ran downhill then? I imagine there has to be other successful quarterbacks using the rushing option early in the play as sort of a coverage read knowing they can embarrass the spy a la Kiko Alonso. JA went right for him.. cause he knew Kiko was a bad spy generally looking to hit defenseless QBs. McNair might be a strong comp then. I can't think of many great quarterbacks with that rushing style. There aren't many which is why McNair is my comp since day 1 McNair was recruited as a college RB, he was physical and fast and decisive like Josh. As soon as I saw Joah run in the league I got visions of McNair. McNair would PUNISH would be tacklers and would leave his feet and fly in the air He also had a cannon Kaep was a downhill runner for 2 years but didn't have a career of success Edited July 11, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: McNair was a real bruiser, not afraid of contact. Allen has been pretty "restrained" running (except for when he catapulted over one guy) i shudder to think of Allen taking on some of the hits McNair took. Allen did not get down vs Safeties and Corners and some linebackers last year He would stiff arm , hesitate, or go full shoulder into them. He took alot of contact Which is not a big deal because he is bigger than 210 pound safeties but he was far from restrained He runs like a man possessed... Which is how you should run if you take off When he gets in the secondary he is the biggest guy.. he needs to worry about 300 pound lineman falling on his shoulder or putting a helmet on his knee and an occasional LBr When he finally gets 15 yards downfield and he outran LBrs he is the biggest dude downfield Edited July 11, 2019 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: With the protection he had last year, he reminded me of a guy running from a 7.2 earthquake. I was just in that 7.1 earthquake. I couldn't move, I could only look around at everything moving . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Josh Allen reminds of.............. Josh Allen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Allen did not get down vs Safeties and Corners and some linebackers last year He would stiff arm , hesitate, or go full shoulder into them. He took alot of contact Which is not a big deal because he is bigger than 210 pound safeties but he was far from restrained He runs like a man possessed... Which is how you should run if you take off When he gets in the secondary he is the biggest guy.. he needs to worry about 300 pound lineman falling on his shoulder or putting a helmet on his knee and an occasional LBr When he finally gets 15 yards downfield and he outran LBrs he is the biggest dude downfield I think it's safer personally so long as he picks and chooses his battles. A lot of QB horror stories are just cause they end up giving themselves up far too late for a MLB to nail them. Either go down or out of bounds early enough or finish your run strong. Giving yourself up in the middle of the field without establishing a slide is the last thing and a lot of guys brainfart at that moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I think it's safer personally so long as he picks and chooses his battles. A lot of QB horror stories are just cause they end up giving themselves up far too late for a MLB to nail them. Either go down or out of bounds early enough or finish your run strong. Giving yourself up in the middle of the field without establishing a slide is the last thing and a lot of guys brainfart at that moment. I'm the same way. QB scrambling is ALL ABOUT TIMING. If Josh can time his scrambles to when teams are in cover 1 or 0 , STRICTLY man with everybody's back turned... He can take off , grab 10-15 and slide Running head on into spies and zone coverage is completely different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) I would say he really doesn't remind me of anyone as of right now. I mean he has obviously only played 1 season and missed a few games due to injury. So IMO it's too early to compare him to anyone really. Definitely feel pretty good about him thus far and have high hopes, but speaking for myself as of right now it's just too early to compare him to anyone for now or he doesn't remind me of any past QB or anyone, except Josh Allen. Edited July 11, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 He’s more of a bigger, stronger, faster John Elway. I don’t see the Snake in him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 The way he throws in the West Herr commercial, he reminds me of Uncle Rico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Interesting comp. A nice one that doesn't come up a lot in QB comps. I can see some Stabler in him for sure. Does no one see Brett Favre in him? That's been my comp to the tee. I'd have thought it would come up more often. Favre even ran those north south scrambles like Josh does when they'd choose to take off. Favre not as often or as fast, but he ran vertically for solid gains every few games. He definitely dropped the scrambling altogether after like 5 years as a young buck. But his instincts, catching the secondary cheating on an unconventional read with his arm power, leadership, confidence, occasional recklessness, willingness to take off when the defense is off guard, and general unpredictability (in a positive way) in his play all give me Favre vibes. And I strongly disagree with the Steve Young comparisons.. I see nothing to that comp other than running quarterbacks. Completely different style of scrambling too IMO. Elway I can understand. You saying Josh Allen doesn't get any action?? Favre is who I thought of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'm the same way. QB scrambling is ALL ABOUT TIMING. If Josh can time his scrambles to when teams are in cover 1 or 0 , STRICTLY man with everybody's back turned... He can take off , grab 10-15 and slide Running head on into spies and zone coverage is completely different ...if, IF you want him to be the long term, franchise QB for this club, he needs to do just that.....hate to see a kid with this promise on a career ending gurney ride.......McNair has been gone 10 years......perhaps a more current comparison is the beating Cam has been taking of late....think he is around 250.....certainly appears (yes, ON PAPER SO FAR) that McBeane has orchestrated a substantial upgrade of talent offensively....Josh needs to realize that new weaponry, exploit it and no longer play like he is the only 50 cal on the ship.... Edited July 11, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if, IF you want him to be the long term, franchise QB for this club, he needs to do just that.....hate to see a kid with this promise on a career ending gurney ride.......McNair has been gone 10 years......perhaps a more current comparison is the beating Cam has been taking of late....think he is around 250.....certainly appears (yes, ON PAPER SO FAR) that McBeane has orchestrated a substantial upgrade of talent offensively....Josh needs to realize that new weaponry, exploit it and no longer play like he is the only 50 cal on the ship.... Cam has only missed 4 games in his almost 10 year career He's a horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 I will wait for Josh to show up in big games before comparing him to a great of the history of the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 My buddy played golf with him today in Tahoe. Awaiting to hear the day’s results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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