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2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Does anyone know if New Era facility has dormitory rooms?

If so how many and where are they?

 

No dorms. My guess they might add some for rookies but the vets all can stay at home during camp.

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4 hours ago, Steptide said:

Dinosaur bbq > sticky lips

Country Sweet > Dinosaur > Sticky Lips. 

 

Unfortunately, unless something has changed since I was last in Rochester, Country Sweet is down to one last crappy joint on Mt Hope. 

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I actually love Rochester and the whole finger lakes region, every time I’ve gone there I’ve had an awesome experience. I’d live there in a heartbeat. Just dont get there enough. 

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They dump sjf, it will be a tough sell in rochester and when they try to sell it, not sure i’ll be buying.

 

Cut.

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Time to put an end to going away for training camp. Makes little sense at this point. The travel is not worth it. In the past they didn't have the facilities at OBD. Now they do. They dont need a marketing presence in Rochester. If they win games what else is someone in Rochester going to do on Sunday?

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:14 AM, Ned Flanders said:

Only 8 practices slated for SJF and none at night?  

 

Eight open to the public. Who knows how many are not. 

 

On 6/14/2019 at 2:03 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

Does anyone know if New Era facility has dormitory rooms?

If so how many and where are they?

 

Hammer is building a tent city in his lot. He got the idea from watching the documentary about the Fyre Festival. 

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On 6/14/2019 at 10:38 PM, hemma said:

They dump sjf, it will be a tough sell in rochester and when they try to sell it, not sure i’ll be buying.

 

Cut.

 

...this post from PFT sums it up nicely.....alienate the Rochester and points east/south markets?.......because McDermott says so?...hmmmm......

 

EJ says:

The Rochester market makes up 31% of all Bills season ticket sales.
Buffalo makes up 68%… and 1% from outside of Buffalo and Rochester areas. Rochester has been a big part of keeping the stadium full throughout the drought… Why change something that has been working out well? Rochester fans enjoy training camp at St John Fisher… It makes up a little for having to drive the hour to two hours (depending on the weather) for each home game.

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6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...this post from PFT sums it up nicely.....alienate the Rochester and points east/south markets?.......because McDermott says so?...hmmmm......

 

EJ says:

The Rochester market makes up 31% of all Bills season ticket sales.
Buffalo makes up 68%… and 1% from outside of Buffalo and Rochester areas. Rochester has been a big part of keeping the stadium full throughout the drought… Why change something that has been working out well? Rochester fans enjoy training camp at St John Fisher… It makes up a little for having to drive the hour to two hours (depending on the weather) for each home game.

 

I think the real question is how many people would cancel their seasons because the Bills might choose to cancel training camp at SJF. 

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1 minute ago, MarkAF43 said:

 

I think the real question is how many people would cancel their seasons because the Bills might choose to cancel training camp at SJF. 

 

....good point.....probably marginal.......Bills fans are a resilient bunch period............

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Hmm, Brandon canned, then the team looks to move TC away from his Alma Mater.  Nope, no coincidence there.

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.McDermott is the antitheses "more public" as some profess IMO...2019 Fisher practices are at a historical low with zero at night....great way to alienate 30% of your Rochester fan base as well as points east and south.....piss them off NOW and hope they come calling with a new stadium, higher ticket prices and/or PSL's?....make PERFECT sense(COUGH)...we've done set up and tear down electrical construction work at Fisher for the past 20 years......upon McDermott's arrival, our guys stood idle until McDermott gave the "all clear" to resume work on a particular field...and OBD paid for idle time...trust me, our guys were NOT reporting back to Putin...he's a woeful failure in the marketing department IMO but very good at alienation.....

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Having  “ hurt feelings” over a potential future exit from SJF is silly. If the Bills were to ditch ROC for some other offsite locale that would be a different story. But  to simply decide to “ stay home” for camp ( like over half of the NFL already does ) and use the facilities at OBD ?  Just evolution and nothing to make a fuss over. 

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On 6/14/2019 at 3:36 PM, YoloinOhio said:

I actually love Rochester and the whole finger lakes region, every time I’ve gone there I’ve had an awesome experience. I’d live there in a heartbeat. Just dont get there enough. 

I was raised there, and left in '84. My mom still lives in the house I was born in, and I'll be visiting her, with my family, this summer. I would move back there in a heartbeat, too, if I could. It really is a nice place to live, and raise a family. One of the things I miss the most, having lived in Los Angeles since '91? The weather!

 

On 6/15/2019 at 7:52 AM, Ethan in Portland said:

Time to put an end to going away for training camp. Makes little sense at this point. The travel is not worth it. In the past they didn't have the facilities at OBD. Now they do. They dont need a marketing presence in Rochester. If they win games what else is someone in Rochester going to do on Sunday?

Are you really under the impression that the Bills have been training at tiny St, John Fisher College for the last 19 years because they couldn't find another venue closer? The distance is the point.

 

1 hour ago, MarkAF43 said:

 

I think the real question is how many people would cancel their seasons because the Bills might choose to cancel training camp at SJF. 

I think the number would be fairly minimal. I also believe that as the team trends up, those numbers would be meaningless, anyway. But, I cannot possibly believe that the Bills have ever even considered using SJF College all these years as a marketing ploy. A lot of hay has been made about team building, etc, and the benefits of having the team a certain distance from home. I firmly believe that they have been training in Rochester for all these years because they want to train in Rochester, regardless of its effect on the fanbase. And, they have said as much. 

 

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Hmm, Brandon canned, then the team looks to move TC away from his Alma Mater.  Nope, no coincidence there.

Weird how Russ Brandon was able to keep them In Rochester for 19 years.

 

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Having  “ hurt feelings” over a potential future exit from SJF is silly. If the Bills were to ditch ROC for some other offsite locale that would be a different story. But  to simply decide to “ stay home” for camp ( like over half of the NFL already does ) and use the facilities at OBD ?  Just evolution and nothing to make a fuss over. 

Absolutely agree. 

But, I suspect that McD likes having the team living together, and being away from their homes for TC. That seems like the kind of team building environment that would appeal to him, and I take him at his word that there are fewer practices there because of their practice schedule out of state. And, I sometimes suspect that McD would rather be the HC of the Panthers.

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Forget Brandon and McD.  Kim grew up in Rochester and will around longer than McD.

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Some of us rochesterians use to drive to Fredonia to watch the bills train. Back then the two a days made it worth a day trip. Point is considering we followed before SJF I doubt wholesale ditching will occur.

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9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...this post from PFT sums it up nicely.....alienate the Rochester and points east/south markets?.......because McDermott says so?...hmmmm......

 

EJ says:

The Rochester market makes up 31% of all Bills season ticket sales.
Buffalo makes up 68%… and 1% from outside of Buffalo and Rochester areas. Rochester has been a big part of keeping the stadium full throughout the drought… Why change something that has been working out well? Rochester fans enjoy training camp at St John Fisher… It makes up a little for having to drive the hour to two hours (depending on the weather) for each home game.

Nah I want the players to use the new facilities. Need them to be tip top, in the end if they are healthy and winning no one gives a crap where camp is.

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1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

I was raised there, and left in '84. My mom still lives in the house I was born in, and I'll be visiting her, with my family, this summer. I would move back there in a heartbeat, too, if I could. It really is a nice place to live, and raise a family. One of the things I miss the most, having lived in Los Angeles since '91? The weather!

 

Are you really under the impression that the Bills have been training at tiny St, John Fisher College for the last 19 years because they couldn't find another venue closer? The distance is the point.

 

I think the number would be fairly minimal. I also believe that as the team trends up, those numbers would be meaningless, anyway. But, I cannot possibly believe that the Bills have ever even considered using SJF College all these years as a marketing ploy. A lot of hay has been made about team building, etc, and the benefits of having the team a certain distance from home. I firmly believe that they have been training in Rochester for all these years because they want to train in Rochester, regardless of its effect on the fanbase. And, they have said as much. 

 

Weird how Russ Brandon was able to keep them In Rochester for 19 years.

Absolutely agree. 

But, I suspect that McD likes having the team living together, and being away from their homes for TC. That seems like the kind of team building environment that would appeal to him, and I take him at his word that there are fewer practices there because of their practice schedule out of state. And, I sometimes suspect that McD would rather be the HC of the Panthers.

 

What's weird about it?  He was the CMO & then the team President/CEO.  He wanted to build the ties to Ra-cha-cha AND help his Alma Mater.  Training at Fisher was a Win win for him.

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On 6/14/2019 at 10:38 PM, hemma said:

They dump sjf, it will be a tough sell in rochester and when they try to sell it, not sure i’ll be buying.

 

Cut.

 

Even if the Bills get good?  It's not like the Browns, Giants or Jets will swoop in with their own camp. You'll get over it.

11 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...this post from PFT sums it up nicely.....alienate the Rochester and points east/south markets?.......because McDermott says so?...hmmmm......

 

EJ says:

The Rochester market makes up 31% of all Bills season ticket sales.
Buffalo makes up 68%… and 1% from outside of Buffalo and Rochester areas. Rochester has been a big part of keeping the stadium full throughout the drought… Why change something that has been working out well? Rochester fans enjoy training camp at St John Fisher… It makes up a little for having to drive the hour to two hours (depending on the weather) for each home game.

 

I thought Southern Ontario was a significant portion, like 15%. 

 

https://theathletic.com/1028478/2019/06/14/why-the-buffalo-bills-are-once-again-scaling-back-their-training-camp-time-in-rochester/
 

The trend is moving away from outside training camps. 

 

"The Bills are one of nine teams in the NFL that still go away for training camp. What was once the norm is now the exception."

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The Jets left Cortland several years ago, I don't think their season ticket holders in that area cared enough to drop their tickets, if there was any STH there. 

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On 6/16/2019 at 5:54 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

June 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm

The Rochester market makes up 31% of all Bills season ticket sales.
Buffalo makes up 68%… and 1% from outside of Buffalo and Rochester areas. Rochester has been a big part of keeping the stadium full throughout the drought… Why change something that has been working out well? Rochester fans enjoy training camp at St John Fisher… It makes up a little for having to drive the hour to two hours (depending on the weather) for each home game.

These numbers don't sound legit...I think Rochester is at around 30% but they must get more than one percent from Syracuse/Albany/Ontario.

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2 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said:

These numbers don't sound legit...I think Rochester is at around 30% but they must get more than one percent from Syracuse/Albany/Ontario.

 

...I agree....was just sharing a PFT post I found......

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On 6/14/2019 at 1:54 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Yeah, but they will be done once the SJF contract expires. Then camp will be at OBD.

 

Yep, they're doing the minimal required until the contract is done.  Since I don't live up there it doesn't matter to me either way, but I completely understand wanting to keep camp in Orchard Park given what they've done to enhance the facilities there.

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1 hour ago, Ned Flanders said:

These numbers don't sound legit...I think Rochester is at around 30% but they must get more than one percent from Syracuse/Albany/Ontario.

 

So. Ontario was cited as 15% last I saw.

13 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yep, they're doing the minimal required until the contract is done.  Since I don't live up there it doesn't matter to me either way, but I completely understand wanting to keep camp in Orchard Park given what they've done to enhance the facilities there.

 

I wonder if they can buy out SJF for the remainder  of the contract?

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1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Yep, they're doing the minimal required until the contract is done.  Since I don't live up there it doesn't matter to me either way, but I completely understand wanting to keep camp in Orchard Park given what they've done to enhance the facilities there.

 

 

Probably right.  $20 million for a state of the art indoor training/rehab room needs to be used as much as possible.  


The team is barely in Rochester more than a week now.  It's not worth all the work.  

 

Who's getting off of work to drive to Rochester bright and early, to watch your team shuffle around on the field for 90 minutes?  The night workouts at least had some flare, some pizzazz.  Go downtown, get dinner, make a night of it.  Now McDermott's "night practice" at 6:15 pm in early August is back at OBD.

 

Training Camp as an entertainment product is no longer any sort of event.  It's just an obligatory thing to appease corporate sponsors Connors & Ferris.  

 

Futhermore, the SJF campus is NOT welcoming to fans.  Come on, you can't even park in their dozens of lots in the middle of summer when there's no regular classes?  You have to drive 20 minutes away in a public school lot to wait in line for a bus, to wait in line to get in, to not get a seat, to stand over a hill, to sorta see for 10 minutes. Practice is over.  Drive home at 12 pm.  it's pretty stupid, to be honest.

 

There's no middle ground either.  Let's move it to, where?  UB North?  Why do that when you can just do it at One Bills Drive?  Plenty of parking, fans can tailgate.  Better sight lines.  

 

Don't be surprised to see Training Camp eventually move back to Orchard Park, and even become fully closed practices.  The team has 5 open practices in 11 days or whatever it is.  You really need "tickets" to attend a workout at 9:45 AM on a Sunday? 

 

 

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19 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Even if the Bills get good?  It's not like the Browns, Giants or Jets will swoop in with their own camp. You'll get over it.

 

I thought Southern Ontario was a significant portion, like 15%

 

https://theathletic.com/1028478/2019/06/14/why-the-buffalo-bills-are-once-again-scaling-back-their-training-camp-time-in-rochester/
 

The trend is moving away from outside training camps. 

 

"The Bills are one of nine teams in the NFL that still go away for training camp. What was once the norm is now the exception."

 

...makes much more sense.......even if 10%, it's roughly 7,000 fans..................

 

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