BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, kota said: How is this new? ?? Innovation, by definition, is new. Most (if not all) teams rely on one set of five O-linemen. They grow together and become one unit. But what happens when one man goes down? How about two? Then you have two or three guys that are untested and rusty come in and disrupt the whole continuity thingy. I am proposing (and Feliciano, Brown and McDermott evidently agree) that you get all 8 guys on one page and sub them in from play to play or series to series. If you want road graders put the big dudes out. If you want agility, put the littler fellas in. The quote above doesn’t lie - the only issue is, those who called me “cray cray” above owe me a little apology. I’m waiting. This was Belichickian foresight on the OP’s part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: ?? Innovation, by definition, is new. Most (if not all) teams rely on one set of five O-linemen. They grow together and become one unit. But what happens when one man goes down? How about two? Then you have two or three guys that are untested and rusty come in and disrupt the whole continuity thingy. I am proposing (and Feliciano, Brown and McDermott evidently agree) that you get all 8 guys on one page and sub them in from play to play or series to series. If you want road graders put the big dudes out. If you want agility, put the littler fellas in. The quote above doesn’t lie - the only issue is, those who called me “cray cray” above owe me a little apology. I’m waiting. This was Belichickian foresight on the OP’s part. I think it’s only fair to swap some OL with DL, and vice versa. They deserve to know the life on the other side. This, of course, goes along with orange slices at halftime, and a great big trophy for everyone when the game ends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) On 6/7/2019 at 10:49 AM, jeremy2020 said: As we say at my job, 9 out of 10 ideas are bad. Congrats on using up all 9 at once. I guess Feliciano disagrees with you as well. On 6/7/2019 at 10:29 AM, Bangarang said: Terrible. Oops. Tell that to Feliciano and our Chris Brown. On 6/7/2019 at 10:31 AM, BuffAlone said: You guys just remember that old BuffAlone was the first to recognize that this is completely absurd Tell Feliciano he’s absurd...I dare ya. Oh, and Daboll says “Sup?” Edited July 25, 2019 by BringBackFergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 1:14 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: This is the most ridiculous post i have ever read here. Ohhhh, but if Feliciano or Chris Brown or Daboll say it, you’ll read with a woody?? I should sell subscriptions to my analysis/thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: ?? Innovation, by definition, is new. Most (if not all) teams rely on one set of five O-linemen. They grow together and become one unit. But what happens when one man goes down? How about two? Then you have two or three guys that are untested and rusty come in and disrupt the whole continuity thingy. I am proposing (and Feliciano, Brown and McDermott evidently agree) that you get all 8 guys on one page and sub them in from play to play or series to series. If you want road graders put the big dudes out. If you want agility, put the littler fellas in. The quote above doesn’t lie - the only issue is, those who called me “cray cray” above owe me a little apology. I’m waiting. This was Belichickian foresight on the OP’s part. So you are saying the OP writer is cheating piece of crap? Pretty strong words even if for all evidence seems to imply it is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: So you are saying the OP writer is cheating piece of crap? Pretty strong words even if for all evidence seems to imply it is true. The OP is prescient. No cheating about it. Give credit to OP where it’s due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) On 6/7/2019 at 10:31 AM, BuffAlone said: You guys just remember that old BuffAlone was the first to recognize that this is completely absurd Bangarang beat you to it. Versatility makes an offensive line more resilient when injuries hit, but no area of a team is more dependent on the chemistry that comes from stability than the offensive line. There will be situations where guys will sub in to allow a starter to rest up, but those are going to be individual substitutions, not platooning like we'll see on the defensive line. Edited July 25, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: This was Belichickian foresight on the OP’s part. This thread is pretty old. Who was the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: The OP is prescient. No cheating about it. Give credit to OP where it’s due. Who was the Op, again? I wonder what that brilliant mind thinks about drafting WR’s to play DB? After all, every time a DB drops a pick, they say “that’s why he’s not a WR!” This may become a trend around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Bangarang beat you to it. Versatility makes an offensive line more resilient when injuries hit, but no area of a team is more dependent on the chemistry that comes from stability than the offensive line. There will be situations where guys will sub in to allow a starter to rest up, but those are going to be individual substitutions, not platooning like we'll see on the defensive line. So you would rather be “reactive” than “proactive”? Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: This thread is pretty old. Who was the OP? Some crazy old guy. Try not to hurt his feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Augie said: Who was the Op, again? I wonder what that brilliant mind thinks about drafting WR’s to play DB? After all, every time a DB drops a pick, they say “that’s why he’s not a WR!” This may become a trend around the league. You will never change my mind on this: Chris Hogan would be an All Pro CB if given the chance. 3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: This thread is pretty old. Who was the OP? BringBackIngenuity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 There is an art to hooking people in, while avoiding having your truck fire bombed at the opener. Well played......I hope. I’ll keep my distance until things seem under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Augie said: There is an art to hooking people in, while avoiding having your truck fire bombed at the opener. Well played......I hope. I’ll keep my distance until things seem under control. You going to the opener? I was just invited on the sideline. Someone read this post and invited me to watch and take notes. Not gonna argue with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: You going to the opener? I was just invited on the sideline. Someone read this post and invited me to watch and take notes. Not gonna argue with him. I’ll be at the opener. (Still need a single ticket, but stubhub always provides if needed!) I not only want to see you on the sideline, but I want to see you get on the field! I’ll pay extra! Just ONE PLAY! We could make this a wildly successful fundraiser! I think Kim could throw her weight around and make this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Speaking on OBL... Thought it was interesting coming from the mouthpiece of the team. He thinks they have a “top 7” not a “top 5” and that it could change according to game plan. He dismissed the idea of continuity being critical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 That's certainly innovative... Not sure if I like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Could be a good thing early in the year when heat and fatigue are factors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Sounds like a terrible idea to me. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Kind of like rotating the Dline? Interesting concept to be sure. As long as we're not talking about the Center position, I'm intrigued I guess? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 DOOOMED !!!!! If they do, that better not be a disaster. Some of us are barely over the Peterman Chargers game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I recall seeing that The Pats utilized like 50+ Different OL combinations last year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) Haven't the Patriots been doing this recently? edit: Just saw the Sal quote. Edited September 4, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I believe @BringBackFergy was onto this a while ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 obligatory the Patri*ts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I mean, we may as well. There isn't a ton of continuity on this line. I'm sure that some combo will eventually emerge as the best, and that will end up being the starting line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 If anyone was listening to Chris Brown between 12:05pm - 12:10pm today on One Bills Live he stole my idea, claimed it as his own, and Murphy/Tasker gave him props for such an interesting idea. Chris Brown - if you’re here...give credit where due. For the the rest of you who snickered at me....you mad bro?? 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Kind of like rotating the Dline? Interesting concept to be sure. As long as we're not talking about the Center position, I'm intrigued I guess? I think the center to the left is set. I think the right side will be changing constantly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: If anyone was listening to Chris Brown between 12:05pm - 12:10pm today on One Bills Live he stole my idea, claimed it as his own, and Murphy/Tasker gave him props for such an interesting idea. Chris Brown - if you’re here...give credit where due. For the the rest of you who snickered at me....you mad bro?? I can verify since I'm listening too! On 6/7/2019 at 11:31 AM, Royale with Cheese said: They should just play musical chairs and then Allen claps his hands....you have to block the guy in front of you. So you might have some alignments where Mitch Morse is at Left Tackle blocking Myles Garrett but that's okay. You suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I believe @BringBackFergy was onto this a while ago... Yeah. I think we should merge Chris Brown into MY thread. That’ll teach him to steal my “stragedy” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 He said that ford lined up at RT for the media portion of practice and Nsecke lined up there right after him but Ford did not kick inside at that point. They rotated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I can verify since I'm listening too! You suck. Thx for recognizing cutting edge analysis when you read it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, BringBackFergy said: Thx for recognizing cutting edge analysis when you read it. LOL Like people in Los Angeles say "good looking out homie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 10:24 AM, BringBackFergy said: I know you are probably thinking there's a link to a profound article in this post, but NO. I came up with his idea all on my own. Watch how the football experts like ESPN, ProFootball Talk and Yahoo will pick up on this and run with it. You guys just remember that old Fergy was the first to recognize the clear goal of our head coach: He is building an 5 cylinder engine on the O Line with pistons firing from different positions at all different times. Here's what I mean: What is McDermott's #1 goal in finding a suitable Offensive lineman?? ANSWER: Versatility We have tackles that have played guard. We have guards that have played center. We have guards who played tackle. Shoot, we even had a TE who played tackle. The point is, all through OTA's and minicamp, we have seen a variety of players playing at different spots. Where else do we see this? On the defensive line of course. DT's move to outside, DT's drop back, DE's move inside, DE/Linebackers move inside, etc. So why not incorporate the movement and versatility of Offensive linemen in the same manner? For example: On 1st and 10, Morse lines up at center, Dawkins at Left Tackle, Feliciano at left Guard, Ford at right Guard and Nyseke at right Tackle. We gain 4 yards on a run play. On 2nd and 6, we break huddle and Feliciano take the Center position, Dawkins moves to right Guard (his position for years) , Ford moves to right Tackle, Morse takes left Guard and Nyseke moves over to left Tackle. The defensive ends and DT's will wonder what the hell is going on because most of them have studied film on the individual designated at that spot in front of them. The versatility will throw them off. Every great offense has to be innovative. In addition, versatility allows McDermott to create a stable of 8 O-lineman who can play all different positions. Just like McDermott cycles D lineman in to keep them fresh, he will substitute in O linemen or move them around the line every 3rd down or two to not only maintain "fresh legs" but to keep the defensive line guessing who they will be matched up against. It's a chess match, and McDermott is Bobby Fisher. Keep an eye out. This is the wave of the future and McDermott will be the innovator. You mean like the Patriots have been doing with OL Combos for years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Y’know Sean... that’s innovative, fresh, and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE DON’T DO IT 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) This is all about Ford. As I suspected, they WANT him to play RT, but are basically stating they'll get Nike in there and shift him over to guard if need be. I don't think it's much more than that. BUT, perhaps Fergy was on to something. Maybe the five in the lineup will hover a few yards behind the LOS before darting to their predetermined position for any given play. 3rd and 2. Morse at LT. 3rd and 18; Dawkins at center, etc. Edited September 4, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Unless it's due to injuries, put your best 5 out there, and leave them be. This sounds like the work of some fancy stats analytics guy whose charts and graphs say that it is okay to play musical chairs with your OL all game, every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4D chess! maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: 4D chess! maybe Musical Chairs .... When the music (Bills make me want to Shout) stops you pick a position 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Unless it's due to injuries, put your best 5 out there, and leave them be. This sounds like the work of some fancy stats analytics guy whose charts and graphs say that it is okay to play musical chairs with your OL all game, every game. lol I just read that after I posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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