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I was pretty angry after the Bills picked Maybin (with Orakpo still on the board), EJ Manuel (bad year for a QB) and Watkins (using 2 first round picks when a guy like Evans would be at our original spot, all to help EJ look good).

 

Now that I think about it, I was pretty annoyed by the selections of Willis McGahee, John McCargo, and Leodis McKelvin, too.

I thought there were better players available.

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13 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I really don’t know anything about Jones, but it seems like Giants fans are just in a complain about anything mood... probably justifiable.

 

Considering for a while there we were drafting Mike Williams, J.P. Losman, Spiller, Dareus and Watkins, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND DRAFTING INEPTITUDE AND FAN ANGER. We have suffered for decades. 

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5 hours ago, eball said:

What's up with the kid giving himself a wedgie?  :huh:

That's the exact meltdown I had when Kuechly was stolen from us but it also involved my TV remote💩

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4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Who knows what Daniel Jones may or may not become but I literally pissed my pants watching this video. Some of those fan reactions were just priceless. 

 

They all look pretty stupid to me.

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17 hours ago, DefenseWins said:

 

I don't think Bills fans were ever as hating on the JA pick last year compared to the fan reactions of Giants fans to Daniel Jones... Do I feel sorry for them? NO!

But maybe we should be happy that the Giants waited till this year to select a QB....

 

 

BIG DIFFERENCE though.  Josh Allen had number one overall draft hype.  Josh Allen was being talked about in some circles as the best QB prospect in terms of ceiling.  Josh Allen was expected to go top 10.  None of those things are true for Daniel Jones who was graded to be a 2nd round pick at best most the off season, and then late hype had him maybe as a mid to late mid round QB once the others went off the board.  

 

Additionally, there wasn't generational and elite defensive talent still on the board either when Allen was picked, plus our D was solid already and we all desperately wanted and needed a QB.  

 

So not really comparable.  Means nothing, but on draft night the Daniel Jones pick was shocking to just about anyone, even to those who thought it could happen still thought it was a terrible move with the other QB's on the board, defensive Josh Allen and Oliver.  

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11 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Who knows what Daniel Jones may or may not become but I literally pissed my pants watching this video. Some of those fan reactions were just priceless. 

 

 

True....

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Meanwhile, Jones is making Gettleman look smarter than the media guys who mock drafted him much lower & the people who believed them:  

 

Daniel Jones outplayed Eli Manning in the New York Giants' minicamp. It was obvious, and it wasn't really close.

Through three days of full-squad sessions, the sixth overall pick in April's draft looked like a better quarterback than Manning. He wasn't just more athletic (that's to be expected); he was also sharper, more accurate and more willing and able to challenge the defense with difficult downfield throws.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839815-giants-may-not-admit-it-but-daniel-jones-already-a-better-fit-than-eli-manning

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22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

BIG DIFFERENCE though.  Josh Allen had number one overall draft hype.  Josh Allen was being talked about in some circles as the best QB prospect in terms of ceiling.  Josh Allen was expected to go top 10.  None of those things are true for Daniel Jones who was graded to be a 2nd round pick at best most the off season, and then late hype had him maybe as a mid to late mid round QB once the others went off the board.  

 

Additionally, there wasn't generational and elite defensive talent still on the board either when Allen was picked, plus our D was solid already and we all desperately wanted and needed a QB.  

 

So not really comparable.  Means nothing, but on draft night the Daniel Jones pick was shocking to just about anyone, even to those who thought it could happen still thought it was a terrible move with the other QB's on the board, defensive Josh Allen and Oliver.  

I expected Jones to go to the Giants in the 1st round all along .  Even though I thought he'd be picked at 17, the Giants were sold on him (not Haskins as "the experts" thought) and really, if a team is sold on a QB why risk him not being there 11 picks away.  I remember the Giants getting a lot of flack for picking Phil Simms at #7 and that turned out OK.  Just because a guy is underhyped by the media doesn't mean teams don't have a 1st round grade on him.   

 

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9 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I expected Jones to go to the Giants in the 1st round all along .  Even though I thought he'd be picked at 17, the Giants were sold on him (not Haskins as "the experts" thought) and really, if a team is sold on a QB why risk him not being there 11 picks away.  I remember the Giants getting a lot of flack for picking Phil Simms at #7 and that turned out OK.  Just because a guy is underhyped by the media doesn't mean teams don't have a 1st round grade on him.   

 

Yeah. I don't personally like Jones as a prospect, but fan reaction will have absolutely no bearing on anything. Half of it looked scripted anyway. Ironically, the same fans whining will be loving them some Jones if he lights it up in the preseason.

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On 6/5/2019 at 9:20 PM, DefenseWins said:

 

I don't think Bills fans were ever as hating on the JA pick last year compared to the fan reactions of Giants fans to Daniel Jones... Do I feel sorry for them? NO!

But maybe we should be happy that the Giants waited till this year to select a QB....

 

 

Dude you need to go back and see all the hate comments of Josh Allen in here, it was really bleak for quite some time. I think the videos would have been similar but it would have went like this "Josh Allen over Josh Rosen? Beane needs to be fired immediately". 

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On 6/5/2019 at 9:43 PM, whatdrought said:

I really don’t know anything about Jones, but it seems like Giants fans are just in a complain about anything mood... probably justifiable.

Main weakness, as was explained to me on this board, he doesn't have very good arm strength.  He's a big kid, and fairly athletic.  I think his college prep was a little more conventional than Allen's.  It's possible he may develop into a halfway decent QB, but lack of arm strength will be a limitation.  I think the main criticism of Gettleman's draft strategy was not the fact that he drafted Jones, but that he drafted him where he did.  Many think the Giants could have gotten him with their second round pick, but they could have at least traded down from #6 to do it.

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On 6/6/2019 at 5:00 AM, Alaska Darin said:

I would love to have a video of my reaction to the EJ Manuel pick.  I pretty much lost my mind just like the people in this video.

Me and you both , I had to go and buy a new TV !!! 

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What can top the Eagles fans booing Donovan McNab at the draft! Philly fans are tough. There was a time when they booed Mike Schmidt for striking out in batting practice!

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On 6/6/2019 at 4:01 AM, BBills88 said:

I don't feel sorry for any other team in the NFL. 

The Giants have 4 Superbowls

Yes...thank you!

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On 6/6/2019 at 6:00 AM, Alaska Darin said:

I would love to have a video of my reaction to the EJ Manuel pick.  I pretty much lost my mind just like the people in this video.

Never understood why they didnt trade down again if they were insistant about taking him.

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2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Never understood why they didnt trade down again if they were insistant about taking him.

Trades just don't happen because fans want them to.  Usually a trade up happens when a team covets a player that they are convinced won't be there at their pick and the only way to get him is to trade up.  If there is no demand for a specific player where you are drafting, you can't trade down.  It also works the same way if you want a player & nobody is willing to take what you're offering.  Best example is the Bills 2004 draft.  Donahoe wanted to trade up for Roethlisberger & either nobody above Pittsburgh was willing to give up on the player they wanted to draft in their spot or Donahoe wasn't offering enough to get them to move down.  Then later in the 1st round Donahoe & Parcells got together on the trade that got the Bills JP Losman.  Donahoe made his pitch and after Parcells stopped laughing at the thought the Bills were trading up for JP, the deal was made.  

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Josh allen has a cannon.  Jones has a catapult 

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On 6/6/2019 at 10:53 AM, ToddAllan said:

I was pretty angry after the Bills picked Maybin (with Orakpo still on the board), EJ Manuel (bad year for a QB) and Watkins (using 2 first round picks when a guy like Evans would be at our original spot, all to help EJ look good).

 

Now that I think about it, I was pretty annoyed by the selections of Willis McGahee, John McCargo, and Leodis McKelvin, too.

I thought there were better players available.

 

What bothered me most about watkins was the fact that so many WRs were there if we just sat.  Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks - all good and all wouldnt have cost us our 2015 1st.

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If you removed their names, Allen and Jones have very similar scouting reports.

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On 6/6/2019 at 8:52 AM, Hatszel said:

The EJ Manual year who were you going to take?   I personally would have traded back again and then take Manual who was the best Quarterback in that draft.  Not that it says much.   

 

Picks I hated most were Spiller when we had good backs   and  the trade up for a WR in a Strong WR draft for Watkins.    In my Mocks that year I had us trading back and getting Martin G, Benjamin WR and Martavius Bryant    

 

 

I would have taken the best player available at that spot, or traded down, I don't remember who was out there anymore, but I would not have drafted a QB that year unless it was Barkley in the 3rd or 4th round, who was and still is the best QB from that draft class.  EJ Manuel should not have even been drafted by any team, and wouldn't have been if it hadn't been for Whaley.

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On 6/10/2019 at 2:10 PM, dneveu said:

 

What bothered me most about watkins was the fact that so many WRs were there if we just sat.  Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks - all good and all wouldnt have cost us our 2015 1st.

Yup Watkins was incredibly talented, but the rest of the draft just didnt justify that move. Soooooo deep at WR, trading up for one was incredibly short sighted 

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