Trent Williams demands trade. Bills should bring him in to complete Oline

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We differ in opinion.  I believe 24 mill, 2 years for Trent Williams is a good deal.  If he wanted over 12 mill gtd is where I’d start to have a problem. 

 

We have cash this year.  We can pay him up front and make it so little is owed after this year.  I’m not just thinking about him putting us over the top to win the SB, I’m looking to develop JA.  Having Trent st LT instead of Dawkins would be a huge upgrade and help JA imo.  

 

Williams disagrees with your opinion.  He's owed that by Washington now.  He is demanding a trade. 

 

The Bills had made wholesale changes on the O-line.  Why not see how it goes?  Let the Skins pay him 12 mil a year for part of a season to help maintain their continuously mediocre Offense.

[JohnC]

12 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

He also had four-game suspension without pay for violating the league's Policy & Program for Substance Abuse. Is this medical staff's problem too?

 

I do not want Bills to bring in any players with such violations unless Jim Overdorf is not involved in contract since he crafted contracts without ability to take back bonuses for such violations.

He was subjected to a suspension due to drug violations. I'm not sure if it was performance enhancing or just drug usage.. That violation is behind him. He was a team captain and one of the most respected players on the team. He's dedicated as a player and team oriented enough to make arrangements for the other lineman to work out with him in Texas in the offseason. 

 

I'm not arguing for the Bills to pursue him. That wouldn't be the right thing for them to do in their situation. But that doesn't alter the fact that he is one of the top three or four tackles in this league. And despite his prior drug issue he is highly regarded within the locker room and organization as a pillar player. 

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He was subjected to a suspension due to drug violations. I'm not sure if it was performance enhancing or just drug usage.. That violation is behind him. He was a team captain and one of the most respected players on the team. He's dedicated as a player and team oriented enough to make arrangements for the other lineman to work out with him in Texas in the offseason. 

 

I'm not arguing for the Bills to pursue him. That wouldn't be the right thing for them to do in their situation. But that doesn't alter the fact that he is one of the top three or four tackles in this league. And despite his prior drug issue he is highly regarded within the locker room and organization as a pillar player. 

 

My issue is contracts without take backs for violations under control of player.

[3rdand12]

16 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I think given that we invented the light bulb we can call things what we like.

Tesla invented the light bulb. Edison stole the idea.

 Its the American way

lol

[Pete]

19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Tesla invented the light bulb. Edison stole the idea.

 Its the American way

lol

Tesla is a benevolent, honorable,  genius.  Edison is a thief with no honor.

Edited June 6, 2019 by Pete

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Williams disagrees with your opinion.  He's owed that by Washington now.  He is demanding a trade. 

 

The Bills had made wholesale changes on the O-line.  Why not see how it goes?  Let the Skins pay him 12 mil a year for part of a season to help maintain their continuously mediocre Offense.

Adding an elite left tackle or “seeing how it goes” with a tackle who has sucked for 1/2 of his career.  I’ll take the sure thing when it comes to Josh Allen’s protection.  We wouldn’t have to wait and see.

 

Regarding Williams contract demAnds, we have to wait and see. Imo, he’s looking for more gtd money.  That’s all these guys care about.  Especially the guys with injury issues. We have money. Lots.  

[3rdand12]

21 minutes ago, Pete said:

Tesla is a benevolent, honorable,  genius.  Edison is a thief with no honor.

so you've met them too ?

 

[Brand J]

On 6/5/2019 at 1:18 PM, JayBaller10 said:

Only unless we can fleece Washington by offering Dawkins and a 2nd.

 

You’re thinking of a young, 20 something year old elite OT rather than the older, expensive one who now has an injury history. 

 

EDIT: oops, that was me who made the comment! ?

[Mr. WEO]

24 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Adding an elite left tackle or “seeing how it goes” with a tackle who has sucked for 1/2 of his career.  I’ll take the sure thing when it comes to Josh Allen’s protection.  We wouldn’t have to wait and see.

 

Regarding Williams contract demAnds, we have to wait and see. Imo, he’s looking for more gtd money.  That’s all these guys care about.  Especially the guys with injury issues. We have money. Lots.  

 

He's due 24 million.  He wants more than that.  No need to wait and see about that.

 

I don't consider a guy who's missed 13 games over the past 3 seasons (missed games in each season) a sure thing.  Having "lots of money" doesn't men they should spend over 12 million a year for a short rental on an elite player who spends a lot of time in the shop. Josh Allen's "development" will not be altered by the presence or absence of Trent Williams. 

[3rdand12]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Adding an elite left tackle or “seeing how it goes” with a tackle who has sucked for 1/2 of his career.  I’ll take the sure thing when it comes to Josh Allen’s protection.  We wouldn’t have to wait and see.

 

Regarding Williams contract demAnds, we have to wait and see. Imo, he’s looking for more gtd money.  That’s all these guys care about.  Especially the guys with injury issues. We have money. Lots.  

I wonder what the mindset is at OBD. and the team building process McD really employs. Develop the draft picks and then pay them.
Wonder also how they feel about what they have on the roster for LT. If they feel Dawkins can be the guy long term with better Coaching and much better cast of characters?

 I am fine with what they have on the team currently.

[Ol Dirty B]

20 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Lost in this discussion is one critical fact: we have a Williams deficit on our roster.

 

For that reason alone, sign him.

 

When we were kids my buddy did a franchise mode in madden and stocked his team with only Williams. 

 

Clearly he didn't have enough to do.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

When we were kids my buddy did a franchise mode in madden and stocked his team with only Williams. 

 

Clearly he didn't have enough to do.

When you were kids?

 

Our team was stacked with Williams’s 5 years ago lol not like it was 40 hahah

 

youd still be a kid !

[Ol Dirty B]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When you were kids?

 

Our team was stacked with Williams’s 5 years ago lol not like it was 40 hahah

 

youd still be a kid !

 

Oh this was before that. It was like 04 or around that time. Probably a little later. I think Mario was a rookie.

 

Mike Williams, the one who busted after missing a year when Maurice Clarett had that lawsuit with the NFL about the age requirement I think was in it.

Edited June 6, 2019 by Ol Dirty B

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Oh this was before that. It was like 04 or around that time. Probably a little later. I think Mario was a rookie.

 

Mike Williams, the one who busted after missing a year when Maurice Clarett had that lawsuit with the NFL about the age requirement I think was in it.

Yea I remember mike Williams , pat Williams and Shaun Williams from that 04 team

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea I remember mike Williams , pat Williams and Shaun Williams from that 04 team

 

Yea but then he actively went out, traded for and signed Williams's. I think QB might be the only spot he never filled.

 

Lol sorry for hijacking this thread with ridiculous crap.

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I wonder what the mindset is at OBD. and the team building process McD really employs. Develop the draft picks and then pay them.
Wonder also how they feel about what they have on the roster for LT. If they feel Dawkins can be the guy long term with better Coaching and much better cast of characters?

 I am fine with what they have on the team currently.

Im fine with it too, but I have no problems if we try and upgrade it.  Is Dawkins going to be worth 12-+mill a year in 2 years?  I view a move like signing Trent Williams similar to the rams signing Andrew whitworth.  It’s a move that helped put the rams in the conversation.  Took a couple years to make it to the big game, but they made it.  Trent is younger that whitworth was as well.  Beane and mcd are looking to win this year.  Make no mistakes about it.  Trading a 3rd rd pick Ndoaying a premier LT the going rate is going to kill this team.  It’s going to make them that much better

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Yea but then he actively went out, traded for and signed Williams's. I think QB might be the only spot he never filled.

 

Lol sorry for hijacking this thread with ridiculous crap.

Lmao surprised there isn’t a backup QB  with the name Williams 

Edited June 6, 2019 by Buffalo716

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Tesla invented the light bulb. Edison stole the idea.

 Its the American way

lol

And then their are people who give credit to Tesla for all of Edisons work.  Tesla is responsible for AC.  Which pretty much is what makes our electrical usage today possible.  You are correct he wasnt really the first he was just the first to create a feasible lightbulb that was efficient and not costly. 

[Dat]

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Yea but then he actively went out, traded for and signed Williams's. I think QB might be the only spot he never filled.

 

Lol sorry for hijacking this thread with ridiculous crap.

 

SB MVP Doug Williams ?

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, Dat said:

 

SB MVP Doug Williams ?

 

Lol he would have gotten Doug Williams but that's way before the time.

[Paulus]

This guy has nothing on the 'Cogs.

 

I don't think he would be a wise trade. Younger is better for the core of the team under McBeane. 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

And then their are people who give credit to Tesla for all of Edisons work.  Tesla is responsible for AC.  Which pretty much is what makes our electrical usage today possible.  You are correct he wasnt really the first he was just the first to create a feasible lightbulb that was efficient and not costly. 

Tesla was the first to light up Buffalo via Niagara Falls if i am correct im my recall.

all because Gunner called a Flashlight a Torch.

[3rdand12]

18 minutes ago, Paulus said:

This guy has nothing on the 'Cogs.

 

I don't think he would be a wise trade. Younger is better for the core of the team under McBeane. 

some folks think Bills are in Win Now mode

 they are likely in a good Ole Fashioned win each game think. see where that takes them .
No one player will take them over the precipice

 
 

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

some folks think Bills are in Win Now mode

 they are likely in a good Ole Fashioned win each game think. see where that takes them .
No one player will take them over the precipice

 
 

I my mind it depends on what Trent brings and for how long. An Eric Wood type of player is more valuable in my mind. Leadership on the line is yuge!

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

Tesla was the first to light up Buffalo via Niagara Falls if i am correct im my recall.

all because Gunner called a Flashlight a Torch.

Nikola Tesla had nothing to do with the light bulb.  He was also an American.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

all because Gunner called a Flashlight a Torch.

 

Yea I don't care who invented what. I just care about the abuse of our beautiful language. 

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, DJB said:

 

 

Bills FO has made it a priority  to fix and build the line. We have the cap space to make a deal. It's not totally  out of the question that it can't happen

 

 

It kinda is.

 

Just because we have cap space doesn't mean we'll use it. They're going to need it next year when the guys they want to re-sign come due. They've made it real real clear that they aren't going to bring in a lot of high-priced FAs, that they don't want to build the team that way. They want their model to be sustainable for the long-term. Their model is building the core through the draft, filling in holes with low- to medium-priced FAs and re-signing our own FAs. Expect that to continue.

 

You're right that they've made it a priority to fix and build the line. And they've done so. Done a terrific job of it so far, from the looks.

 

He's older, he's expensive, we have two guys who can play the position well, and we'd have to give up a relatively high pick in the draft. I think it's really safe to say he's not going to be here.

Edited June 7, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Nikola Tesla had nothing to do with the light bulb.  He was also an American.

 

 

Born in Smiljan, Tesla moved to America at age 26. He was indeed naturalized here, but just saying he was an American leaves out a lot.

 

 

[papazoid]

arguably the very best LT in the game at the 2nd most important position on team.

 

seven straight pro bowls. age 31 at start of season.....the exact same age as jerry hughes...who has made none and folks are giddy we signed him

 

at $14.7 mil for 2 years ....with option of  2 more franchise tag years.

 

i'd do it in a heart beat up to and including a first rounder

[Pete]

17 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

so you've met them too ?

 

Ever read a history a history book?  Edison is a POS.  Tesla tried to provide free electricity to the world

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I don't care who invented what. I just care about the abuse of our beautiful language. 

Your accent is charming. Listening to beyond the pond accents is like being constantly tuned in to PBS's Masterpiece Theater. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/clips/beecham-house-first-look/

[ExWNYer]

On 6/5/2019 at 2:24 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

It might be a British thing too. 

 

On 6/5/2019 at 3:12 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't their fault you lot have butchered Shakespeare's language. 

 

On 6/5/2019 at 4:38 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no idea what a freaking flashlight is. That is a made up American word that does not exist in English. 

 

The English language is constantly changing and evolving...some things for the better and some for the worse. I'd argue that we, 'across the pond', earned the right to our own dialect, phrases, and idioms when we gained our independence from your tyrannical king and the 'mighty' British military almost 250 years ago. 

 

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I don't care who invented what. I just care about the abuse of our beautiful language. 

 

The English language is not 'beautiful', otherwise it would be one of the 'romance languages'. It has borrowed from several other languages and is an ugly, guttural language like German which, by the way, you blokes would be speaking had we not bailed your arses out of not one but two World Wars. Cheerio! ??

[BillsFan1988]

On 6/5/2019 at 8:34 PM, whatdrought said:

I'd send a third for him. 

 

Williams - Dawkins - Morse - Spain - Ford 

 

looks good to me. 

How bout

Williams - Dawkins- Morse- Ford- Nsekhe 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

 

 

 

The English language is constantly changing and evolving...some things for the better and some for the worse. I'd argue that we, 'across the pond', earned the right to our own dialect, phrases, and idioms when we gained our independence from your tyrannical king and the 'mighty' British military almost 250 years ago. 

 

 

The English language is not 'beautiful', otherwise it would be one of the 'romance languages'. It has borrowed from several other languages and is an ugly, guttural language like German which, by the way, you blokes would be speaking had we not bailed your arses out of not one but two World Wars. Cheerio! ??

 

Well you certainly have my respect for excusing yourselves from the 'rule' of our unelected monarch. I fear we ourselves may never achieve that. But you are wrong about the English language.

[Ralonzo]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well you certainly have my respect for excusing yourselves from the 'rule' of our unelected monarch. I fear we ourselves may never achieve that. But you are wrong about the English language.

We need a synthesis of cockney and redneck. It would be about free-fiddy.

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

Ever read a history a history book?  Edison is a POS.  Tesla tried to provide free electricity to the world

i was lightly tossing humor and random "facts" about Alvin  and Nikolai

But yes i know plenty enough about both of them.

 The Father of direct current and inventor of the Faraday cage.
And Edison and his gang were opportunistic capitalists who wanted to  make AC profitable. both very smart folks with differing agendas and methods.
let history tell the rest of the story

huge fan of Tesla.

 the crazy sob  : )
any new news about Trent getting out of Washington ?

[MJS]

On 6/7/2019 at 8:03 AM, ExWNYer said:

The English language is not 'beautiful', otherwise it would be one of the 'romance languages'. It has borrowed from several other languages and is an ugly, guttural language like German which, by the way, you blokes would be speaking had we not bailed your arses out of not one but two World Wars. Cheerio! 

Romance languages are a family of languages that evolved from Vulgar Latin. Has nothing to do with what they sound like, but what their origin is. I believe Romanian is one of the oldest in the group.

 

Beauty of language is not something that can be measured and is completely subjective. Something that sounds beautiful to our American ears might sound repugnant to someone of another language and culture.

 

And interestingly, has anyone thought about why the American accent is different from the British one? Well, it's actually because the British accent did not become popular until AFTER America was settled. The first English settlers came over in 1607 and the British accent wasn't popularized until the 1800's.

 

The American accent is older than the British accent, and in many cases much more phonetic (obviously not always). This is seen in the rhotic vs non-rhotic "R" pronunciation. In fact, Boston and New York accents mimicked that non-rhotic popularity around the same time as Britain.

 

So you could say that those who speak in the General American accent are probably speaking an older and more pure form of the language than those in the UK. Obviously, though, terminology differs.

[Rocky Landing]

I'm sure that Ty Nsekhe would be happy to be his backup... again...