YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 One thing we know for sure: Roger Goodell and by extension the other 31 owners in the NFL want a new stadium in Buffalo. I understand their stance from a money standpoint, but I personally like New Era field quite a bit. The sight lines are second to none, IMO 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) I think the Bills can stay stable with out a Jerry world in Buffalo & i believe that if you ask the coaches a 4 game pre season is needed to figure out their depth chart & to implement offensive & defensive schemes ! If they are worried about injury then increase the roster ! The only thing the NFL is thinking by taking away pre season games & adding games is MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY !! Edited June 3, 2019 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Give the teams more of an ability to practice and/or scrimmage with other teams, and remove 1-2 of the preseason games. I think coaches would be fine with that and as a fan, I'd appreciate shortening the preseason. While we're at it, add two playoff teams in each conference (4 division champs, 4 wild cards) and get rid of the byes for the top two seeds. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 NFL isnt putting pressure on the Pegulas, he's putting pressure on local government and residents to help pay for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Estro said: One thing we know for sure: Roger Goodell and by extension the other 31 owners in the NFL want a new stadium in Buffalo. I understand their stance from a money standpoint, but I personally like New Era field quite a bit. The sight lines are second to none, IMO I think we all do. Beyond nostalgia, it’s a fantastic football venue. But I’m damn near positive we’ll be having a new stadium and almost as sure it’ll be in the City. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, eball said: Give the teams more of an ability to practice and/or scrimmage with other teams, and remove 1-2 of the preseason games. I think coaches would be fine with that and as a fan, I'd appreciate shortening the preseason. While we're at it, add two playoff teams in each conference (4 division champs, 4 wild cards) and get rid of the byes for the top two seeds. No! No! No! To me this is the one thing that makes the NFL playoffs good in that it rewards teams that were the best all season. More often than not it allows the two top teams to advance which is good. Without any real data, just my gut, I'd say roughly 3 out of 4 of the bye teams advance on average over the past 25 years or so. To me that's a good thing. There's talk of adding more teams to the college playoffs. I'd favor 6 teams there too and give the top two a bye. That way the best meet up in the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Not sure I understand how a new stadium means the team will be more stable and successful. The more I think about it, the more I believe the Bills should just stay put. Throw 500 million at the current stadium for renovations and call it good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: No! No! No! To me this is the one thing that makes the NFL playoffs good in that it rewards teams that were the best all season. More often than not it allows the two top teams to advance which is good. Without any real data, just my gut, I'd say roughly 3 out of 4 of the bye teams advance on average over the past 25 years or so. To me that's a good thing. There's talk of adding more teams to the college playoffs. I'd favor 6 teams there too and give the top two a bye. That way the best meet up in the end. The NHL, NBA, and MLB don't give teams byes. The NCAA men's basketball tournament doesn't give byes. Why should the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, eball said: Give the teams more of an ability to practice and/or scrimmage with other teams, and remove 1-2 of the preseason games. I think coaches would be fine with that and as a fan, I'd appreciate shortening the preseason. While we're at it, add two playoff teams in each conference (4 division champs, 4 wild cards) and get rid of the byes for the top two seeds. Watering down the playoffs is the last thing I want. I hope they don't add more playoff teams until they add more than 32 franchises. 2 minutes ago, eball said: The NHL, NBA, and MLB don't give teams byes. The NCAA men's basketball tournament doesn't give byes. Why should the NFL? I don't care about the byes. I think it's too easy to make the playoffs in those other leagues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 The sabre rattling about an 18 game schedule is just a ploy, used before, in the CBA discussions. The owners talk about it now, and when it's scrapped, they can point to an area where they gave in to the players. I'm with the players on this one. I think the great appeal of the NFL is that every game is huge and that less is more. Unless you like seeing third-string RBs in December, the 18 game schedule should never be approved. Unfortunately, it's tied to the number of preseason games but I can remember that when there were 14 regular season games, there were also six preseason games, which was a slog. However, back then, players needed the six preseason games to get into shape, unlike today where football training is a 12 month job. Players long ago needed second jobs in the off-season and came to camp right after July 4th. I remember the back of one of my Ray Nitschke cards had a cartoon of a player in a car lot showing off a new auto, that said "Ray sells cars in the off-season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, MJS said: Not sure I understand how a new stadium means the team will be more stable and successful. The more I think about it, the more I believe the Bills should just stay put. Throw 500 million at the current stadium for renovations and call it good. Agree. I don't understand the Bills need a new stadium argument. Higher ticket prices, PSLs people will not want to pay, corporate/luxury boxes that will go unfilled. I'm not sure the economy in western NY can support this. Goodell, and the 31 other owners, need to understand that not every city is NYC, LA, Dallas, etc. But they keep hammering at new stadiums year after year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, eball said: The NHL, NBA, and MLB don't give teams byes. The NCAA men's basketball tournament doesn't give byes. Why should the NFL? You're right they don't and and that's why particularly in hockey the 8th seeds are beating the 1 seeds. Is that really a good thing. In the NHL and NBA way too many teams are making the playoffs anyway. Agree it was cool that in 2018 Virginia lost to the 16 seed, but did it really make the tournament better or Syracuse losing to Vermont or Richmond? Actually MLB does give byes BTW through the wild card round. Without the byes I doubt the Bills would have made it to 4 straight Super Bowls. Granted, one year it helped them, but the other three, would likely have been knocked out of one of them. And to your last question, why should the NFL. Did you ever think that maybe that's at least a small part of the reason the NFL is the #1 sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: You're right they don't and and that's why particularly in hockey the 8th seeds are beating the 1 seeds. Is that really a good thing. In the NHL and NBA way too many teams are making the playoffs anyway. Agree it was cool that in 2018 Virginia lost to the 16 seed, but did it really make the tournament better or Syracuse losing to Vermont or Richmond? Actually MLB does give byes BTW through the wild card round. Without the byes I doubt the Bills would have made it to 4 straight Super Bowls. Granted, one year it helped them, but the other three, would likely have been knocked out of one of them. And to your last question, why should the NFL. Did you ever think that maybe that's at least a small part of the reason the NFL is the #1 sport. The "wild card round" in baseball is one game to determine the wild card, isn't it? That's not exactly a "bye" for the other teams. And no, I have not for one second contemplated that byes for the top two teams in the NFL playoffs have anything to do with the sport's popularity. I don't even know how one would come to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, eball said: The "wild card round" in baseball is one game to determine the wild card, isn't it? That's not exactly a "bye" for the other teams. And no, I have not for one second contemplated that byes for the top two teams in the NFL playoffs have anything to do with the sport's popularity. I don't even know how one would come to that conclusion. do bye's directly make it more popular no, but the fact that the four best teams meet in the championship rounds more often, I think does help make the game more popular. Many more road teams win the first week than the 2nd week of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 If you want the Bills to be here for the next 50 years then "Our House" must be up to NFL standards. While I love Rich, The Ralph and The Cap as much as anyone else; I love the Bills more. Our House needs a MAJOR Renovation (okay KC or GB) or we need to move to a new home. That new home is either OP or DT. If not, we will be at risk of that location being somewhere else. Time to deal with reality and not our own wants and wishes!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 It’s always a pleasure to speak directly with the fans. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: do bye's directly make it more popular no, but the fact that the four best teams meet in the championship rounds more often, I think does help make the game more popular. Many more road teams win the first week than the 2nd week of the playoffs. In my mind, there is a better argument for byes in sports like baseball, basketball, and hockey because the teams at the top have earned those records over the course of 80+ games...not the 16 played in the NFL where one or two "bad weeks" can significantly impact the standings. Anyway, we disagree on this point and that's fine. But I think you'll see an expansion of the NFL playoffs before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Go ahead Rog. Show us the “economic benefit” new stadiums provide to anyone else besides the owners/league. I won’t hold my breath.... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Crazy that guys are wearing zip up long sleeves to golf in June ! Seems like the weather always sucks for Jimbos tournament , which is nuts considering it’s not in say, April. This is why the draft will never work in Buffalo; you’d have to wait until the 4th of July! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: do bye's directly make it more popular no, but the fact that the four best teams meet in the championship rounds more often, I think does help make the game more popular. Many more road teams win the first week than the 2nd week of the playoffs. I disagree. The game is popular because it’s a great game. Fans of the NFL tolerate teams like the Patriots, but we don’t love it. Far from it, and they definitely don’t make the game more popular. Football is unique in that you only have to be the better team that day ( as opposed to a series) and that the home field gives more of an advantage than in other sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I'm not a statistics guy but I'm pretty sure Goodell is the most boo'd person ever on a stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, T master said: I think the Bills can stay stable with out a Jerry world in Buffalo & i believe that if you ask the coaches a 4 game pre season is needed to figure out their depth chart & to implement offensive & defensive schemes ! If they are worried about injury then increase the roster ! The only thing the NFL is thinking by taking away pre season games & adding games is MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY !! There will never be a “ Jerry world” type stadium in BUF.. A four game preseason is definitely not needed. it’s barely a three game one now, as game four is largely the players who are getting cut. The players don’t want to play preseason games , and the league doesn’t want to pay them for playing less than they already do. Of course , more real games =. more $$ in the league coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Crazy that guys are wearing zip up long sleeves to golf in June ! Seems like the weather always sucks for Jimbos tournament , which is nuts considering it’s not in say, April. This is why the draft will never work in Buffalo; you’d have to wait until the 4th of July! Same temp in Cleveland today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Same temp in Cleveland today Sure, but that’s a little more of a fluke. Just down the road a bit in Columbus, it’s been consistently 15-20 degrees above BUF temps, and our highs have been their lows. We’ve had seemingly perpetual cloud cover since Thanksgiving. Just terrible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I disagree. The game is popular because it’s a great game. Fans of the NFL tolerate teams like the Patriots, but we don’t love it. Far from it, and they definitely don’t make the game more popular. Football is unique in that you only have to be the better team that day ( as opposed to a series) and that the home field gives more of an advantage than in other sports. that part is certainly true, which to me is why I like the byes as the better teams win more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Sure, but that’s a little more of a fluke. Just down the road a bit in Columbus, it’s been consistently 15-20 degrees above BUF temps, and our highs have been their lows. We’ve had seemingly perpetual cloud cover since Thanksgiving. Just terrible. 62 in Cbus today, pools are closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: that part is certainly true, which to me is why I like the byes as the better teams win more. Or the teams in the weakest divisions. Honestly I don’t care for the byes as it gets very tiresome and boring. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 62 in Cbus today, pools are closed Again, that’s today. Saw my Columbus friends at Easter time and they had already mowed their lawns 4 times. Flowers were blooming, and they hit 80 degrees several times already. Weather in BUF is awful and seems to be getting worse. Id guess that CLE is usually better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Or the teams in the weakest divisions. Honestly I don’t care for the byes as it gets very tiresome and boring. Again, that’s today. Saw my Columbus friends at Easter time and they had already mowed their lawns 4 times. Flowers were blooming, and they hit 80 degrees several times already. Weather in BUF is awful and seems to be getting worse. Id guess that CLE is usually better as well. It rained all spring in Columbus. It’s a bit warmer but was really gray. There are always hot days here anytime after Feb, we hit all 4 seasons in a wee timeframe in the spring. Cleveland and buffalo have very similar weather actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Did I miss something in the NFL ownership manual giving the league authority to force an owner to relocate? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It rained all spring in Columbus. It’s a bit warmer but was really gray. There are always hot days here anytime after Feb, we hit all 4 seasons in a wee timeframe in the spring. Cleveland and buffalo have very similar weather actually. They might have similar weather, but BUF has morphed into two seasons really. Spring doesn’t exist and winter starts on around November 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfanmiami(oh) Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 62 in Cbus today, pools are closed Mines not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Same temp in Cleveland today Yeah, they'll never get the draft either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Mines not! Many pools in BUF probably haven’t opened yet. Seriously, we’ve hit the upper 70’s maybe twice so far. If I still had my place in the ‘burbs with inground pool I may not have even bothered to open it yet. It was barely open 100 days a year in a good summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, eball said: The NHL, NBA, and MLB don't give teams byes. The NCAA men's basketball tournament doesn't give byes. Why should the NFL? the NFL does not take direction from those other wussy sports (in comparison) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Yeah, they'll never get the draft either. I’d like my chances of a decent day in CLE at the end of April much better than in BUF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Mines not! Lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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