97 Rock and Roll 500

[ExiledInIllinois]

24 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

I don't think it's 100% - I think Satisfaction, Born To Run, Sweet Child, and others are the best by their artists.  

I think: "Waiting on a Friend", "Point Blank", & "Patience"... Are some of the best. Not those commercial success.   I think it's almost 100%.

 

 

 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, bbb said:

 

I don't think it's 100% - I think Satisfaction, Born To Run, Sweet Child, and others are the best by their artists.  

 

I respectfully disagree.  Those are greatest hits tunes, as in most popular.  Fans of the Stones, Bruce and Guns and Roses would cite far better tunes that were not as commercially successful.

 

Personally, my favorite Stones tune (and I am a Stones novice) is "As Time Goes By."  Favorite Boss tune is, "Spirit in the Night."  Favorite Guns and Roses tune is, "Rocket Queen."

[Misterbluesky]

40 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I think: "Waiting on a Friend", "Point Blank", & "Patience"... Are some of the best. Not those commercial success.   I think it's almost 100%.

 

 

 

Axle Rose treated people like garbage most of his life,he doesn't have many friends or close family connections...reminds me of the lead singer from the Kinks..a a-hole.

[Misterbluesky]

35 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I respectfully disagree.  Those are greatest hits tunes, as in most popular.  Fans of the Stones, Bruce and Guns and Roses would cite far better tunes that were not as commercially successful.

 

Personally, my favorite Stones tune (and I am a Stones novice) is "As Time Goes By."  Favorite Boss tune is, "Spirit in the Night."  Favorite Guns and Roses tune is, "Rocket Queen.

I dated a girl in 1980 that couldn't let pink cadillac leave the cassette player.I had to bail...great song but not 4-8 times a night.

Edited May 29, 2019 by Misterbluesky

[ExiledInIllinois]

20 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I respectfully disagree.  Those are greatest hits tunes, as in most popular.  Fans of the Stones, Bruce and Guns and Roses would cite far better tunes that were not as commercially successful.

 

Personally, my favorite Stones tune (and I am a Stones novice) is "As Time Goes By."  Favorite Boss tune is, "Spirit in the Night."  Favorite Guns and Roses tune is, "Rocket Queen."

Nice three!  Non-commercially popular tunes!

 

I guess I am partial to haunting ballads... Those don't win the public over.  Public wants "happy" or at least that's what the Execs say.  Hmmmm???

[bbb]

4 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I think: "Waiting on a Friend", "Point Blank", & "Patience"... Are some of the best. Not those commercial success.   I think it's almost 100%.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I respectfully disagree.  Those are greatest hits tunes, as in most popular.  Fans of the Stones, Bruce and Guns and Roses would cite far better tunes that were not as commercially successful.

 

Personally, my favorite Stones tune (and I am a Stones novice) is "As Time Goes By."  Favorite Boss tune is, "Spirit in the Night."  Favorite Guns and Roses tune is, "Rocket Queen."

 

I don't give a crap what anybody's favorite tunes are............I have seen Bruce Springsteen 27 times, and can't wait till next year's tour that just got announced.  I have every album he ever made up until the Seeger Sessions stuff............I love the Stones and have seen them several times.

 

There is no way that any of those songs, and I like them all,  are better rock songs than Satisfaction and Born To Run.................I won't even argue about Sweet Child because I'm not much of a GNR fan.  

 

3 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

I dated a girl in 1980 that couldn't let pink cadillac leave the cassette player.I had to bail...great song but not 4-8 times a night.

 

Pink Cadillac in 1980?  Was it a bootleg or something?  (Bruce often had songs that weren't official that he would play live)  It was on a B side of one of the Born in the USA songs in 1984.  

[shrader]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I respectfully disagree.  Those are greatest hits tunes, as in most popular.  Fans of the Stones, Bruce and Guns and Roses would cite far better tunes that were not as commercially successful.

 

And the casual listener is by far the majority of the audience.  Of course any of these lists are going to cater to those people.

 

There was one music list years ago that at least always nailed the #1 ranking.  Back in the stone age when MTV actually aired videos, they would randomly pull out "the greatest videos of all time".  No one could ever compete with Thriller.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

21 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

97 Rock and Roll 500

 

Dad Rock. 

[row_33]

35 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

Dad Rock. 

 

while shitting on The Beatles

 

[LabattBlue]

You think this list is bad, Sirius was counting down the top 1000 country songs on Ch. 4 recently(It may still be repeating).  It was nothing but a new country song, one from the 70's/80's/90's, and then an old country song.  Rinse and repeat.  Not even sure how the top 25 looked.  I am sure it was cringeworthy.

[shrader]

35 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You think this list is bad, Sirius was counting down the top 1000 country songs on Ch. 4 recently(It may still be repeating).  It was nothing but a new country song, one from the 70's/80's/90's, and then an old country song.  Rinse and repeat.  Not even sure how the top 25 looked.  I am sure it was cringeworthy.

 

How many trucks broke down over the course of that countdown?

[Rico]

I remember listening to radio in my car, back in the day before Spotify and my smart phone. I even remember 8-track tapes. 

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, Rico said:

I remember listening to radio in my car, back in the day before Spotify and my smart phone. I even remember 8-track tapes. 

 

I still listen to FM radio in my car (2 hours/day).

[Misterbluesky]

12 hours ago, bbb said:

 

 

I don't give a crap what anybody's favorite tunes are............I have seen Bruce Springsteen 27 times, and can't wait till next year's tour that just got announced.  I have every album he ever made up until the Seeger Sessions stuff............I love the Stones and have seen them several times.

 

There is no way that any of those songs, and I like them all,  are better rock songs than Satisfaction and Born To Run.................I won't even argue about Sweet Child because I'm not much of a GNR fan.  

 

 

Pink Cadillac in 1980?  Was it a bootleg or something?  (Bruce often had songs that weren't official that he would play live)  It was on a B side of one of the Born in the USA songs in 1984.  

I have no idea..not a fan.If not '80 it was ''81 and it was live.Maybe with another entertainer?..but it sure wasn't '84...I didn't live in b-low then.She was also heavily into Tom Petty (him I liked,still do).I have connections to get in touch with her..be interesting to see what she says..

She loved swing-sets too (Como Park).

[bbb]

5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

I have no idea..not a fan.If not '80 it was ''81 and it was live.Maybe with another entertainer?..but it sure wasn't '84...I didn't live in b-low then.She was also heavily into Tom Petty (him I liked,still do).I have connections to get in touch with her..be interesting to see what she says..

She loved swing-sets too (Como Park).

 

From wiki:  

Background[edit]

Springsteen originally wrote "Pink Cadillac" as "Love Is a Dangerous Thing" in December 1981; 

 

First recorded by Springsteen in an acoustic version in early January 1982 in the session whose tracks would comprise the Nebraska album

Could you be thinking of Cadillac Ranch?  

[ExiledInIllinois]

29 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

I have no idea..not a fan.If not '80 it was ''81 and it was live.Maybe with another entertainer?..but it sure wasn't '84...I didn't live in b-low then.She was also heavily into Tom Petty (him I liked,still do).I have connections to get in touch with her..be interesting to see what she says..

She loved swing-sets too (Como Park).

Wow!  You are so dead to our other "Tom Petty" @DC Tom.

 

LMAO....

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Wow!  You are so dead to our other "Tom Petty" @DC Tom.

 

LMAO....

 

That's okay.  He already dislikes me.  And I don't need him to listen to that mewling eunuch to dislike him any more.

[Misterbluesky]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Wow!  You are so dead to our other "Tom Petty" @DC Tom.

 

LMAO....

I don't give two ***** what he thinks....about anything.

he is a bright bulb,though.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

You think this list is bad, Sirius was counting down the top 1000 country songs on Ch. 4 recently(It may still be repeating).  It was nothing but a new country song, one from the 70's/80's/90's, and then an old country song.  Rinse and repeat.  Not even sure how the top 25 looked.  I am sure it was cringeworthy.

 

3 hours ago, shrader said:

How many trucks broke down over the course of that countdown?

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K96rTnGm1I6uHDqBAIQKbIAXtGv6eP8hIVEkbCTSfvY/edit#gid=0

 

 

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

1 hour ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K96rTnGm1I6uHDqBAIQKbIAXtGv6eP8hIVEkbCTSfvY/edit#gid=0

 

 

Waylon Jennings has 14 songs on that list. Luke Bryan has 16. Trash. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

I don't give two ***** what he thinks....about anything.

he is a bright bulb,though.

 

Told ya, @ExiledInIllinois

[BuffaloBill]

On 5/28/2019 at 1:38 PM, Gugny said:

Any list that has Freebird as #2 is pure crap.  After a quick browse, I also saw that "Dude Looks Like a Lady" ranked higher than, "Let it Be.

 

Okay.  It's crap.

 

I will say this .... I think "Under Pressure" (Queen/Bowie) is one of the greatest rock songs ever and it never gets due credit on these crap lists.

 

 

A part of the issue is - what is rock?  Many would consider Bowie to be “alternative” and not rock.  The nature of music lists is that no two people will agree.  What you like to listen to is subjective.

8 hours ago, Rico said:

I remember listening to radio in my car, back in the day before Spotify and my smart phone. I even remember 8-track tapes. 

 

8-track tapes sucked  

[PromoTheRobot]

On 5/28/2019 at 12:18 PM, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

I've listened to this every year since I was a little kid. Even after I moved I stream it online. Tradition that's been in my family since as long as I can Remember. Anybody else listen to this? These were the top 25 according to this years listener votes. Full List Here

 

1	Stairway To Heaven	Led Zeppelin
2	Freebird	Lynyrd Skynyrd
3	Bohemian Rhapsody	Queen
4	Comfortably Numb	Pink Floyd
5	Hotel California	Eagles
6	Kashmir	Led Zeppelin
7	Satisfaction	Rolling Stones
8	Turn The Page	Seger, Bob & The Silver Bullet Band
9	Simple Man	Lynyrd Skynyrd
10	Dream On	Aerosmith
11	Won’t Get Fooled Again	Who
12	Layla	Derek & The Dominos
13	Sweet Emotion	Aerosmith
14	Highway To Hell	AC/DC
15	Another Brick In The Wall (Part II)	Pink Floyd
16	We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions	Queen
17	Sweet Home Alabama	Lynyrd Skynyrd
18	More Than A Feeling	Boston
19	Don’t Stop Believin’	Journey
20	Black Dog	Led Zeppelin
21	Livin’ On A Prayer	Bon Jovi
22	Free Fallin’	Petty, Tom
23	You Shook Me All Night Long	AC/DC
24	Walk This Way	Aerosmith
25	Sweet Child O’ Mine	Guns N’ Roses

 

I lived these weekends. In radio it's basically taking your usual small library of a few hundred songs, shuffling the deck, and call it a countdown. Magic.

 

See also: Double shot weekend, triple shot weekend, rock block weekend, A-to-Z weekend, no-repeat weekend, the (insert number) days of summer weekend, the top (insert number) countdown weekend, all-request (as long as you ask for what we plan to play anyway) weekend, etc. etc. The same 450 or so songs shuffled and labeled.

Edited May 30, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I lived these weekends. In radio it's basically taking your usual small library of a few hundred songs, shuffling the deck, and call it a countdown. Magic.

 

See also: Double shot weekend, triple shot weekend, rock block weekend, A-to-Z weekend, no-repeat weekend, the (insert number) days of summer weekend, the top (insert number) countdown weekend, all-request (as long as you ask for what we plan to play anyway) weekend, etc. etc. The same 450 or so songs shuffled and labeled.

Truth ?

 

but I love those 450 songs lmao

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Truth ?

 

but I love those 450 songs lmao

 

Hence, why things are the way they are.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I lived these weekends. In radio it's basically taking your usual small library of a few hundred songs, shuffling the deck, and call it a countdown. Magic.

 

See also: Double shot weekend, triple shot weekend, rock block weekend, A-to-Z weekend, no-repeat weekend, the (insert number) days of summer weekend, the top (insert number) countdown weekend, all-request (as long as you ask for what we plan to play anyway) weekend, etc. etc. The same 450 or so songs shuffled and labeled.

Are polls like this used for any actual analyzed data that the station uses to decide what their demographic listens to?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Actually looking at the length of the top 3, they’re ‘bathroom’ records.  Lengthy enough that the on air personality has time to duck out and use the washroom, burn one, etc.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Are polls like this used for any actual analyzed data that the station uses to decide what their demographic listens to?

 

It's different with every station. Most big city stations invest in their own audience research, so they know what songs score highest. Smaller stations either get a list from their corporate programming consultant, or they use a monitoring service like Mediabase to rank the most-played songs nationally in a given time period. 

[bbb]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

It's different with every station. Most big city stations invest in their own audience research, so they know what songs score highest. Smaller stations either get a list from their corporate programming consultant, or they use a monitoring service like Mediabase to rank the most-played songs nationally in a given time period. 

 

How the ***** is it that in 1981, I saw Journey get booed off the stage because everybody hated them and wanted The Stones..................And, somehow now I'm more likely to hear a Journey song on 97 Rock than I am a Stones song?!?

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

26 minutes ago, bbb said:

 

How the ***** is it that in 1981, I saw Journey get booed off the stage because everybody hated them and wanted The Stones..................And, somehow now I'm more likely to hear a Journey song on 97 Rock than I am a Stones song?!?

A few reasons. Journey isn't a good fit to open for the Rolling Stones. They're almost a pop band as opposed to the Stones being a harder rock. Second, Journey's somehow gained this new found almost ironic nostalgia. I think it started with The Sopranos, and now, for better or worse, they're probably more popular now than back when Steve Perry was with the band. Third, the "Classic Rock" format changes. It's for the middle aged guys. So back 10-20 years ago, the middle aged people were teenagers in the 60s-70s, now they were teenagers in the 70s-early 90s. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

31 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

...Journey's somehow gained this new found almost ironic nostalgia.

Tom Petty, Ric Ocasek, Steve Perry...all whiney singers.  ?

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Tom Petty, Ric Ocasek, Steve Perry...all whiney singers.  ?

The Cars were always too poppy for me, along with Journey. I am a Tom Petty fan, but can see where you're coming from.

[Doc Brown]

Is it possible to be a good song and criminally overrated?  Stairway to Heaven seems to pull it off.  Also, no Beatles?  WTF.  Let's have a HOF reunion and not invite Jerry Rice.

[T&C]

On 5/29/2019 at 1:04 PM, Rico said:

I remember listening to radio in my car, back in the day before Spotify and my smart phone. I even remember 8-track tapes. 

Not sure why that reminded me of this but it did... and I remember 4-track tapes.

 

[Rocket94]

On 5/28/2019 at 11:22 AM, Pete said:

no Gimme Shelter, but Bon Jovi made it

I know! Bon Jovi? Seriously...isn't he more like borderline glam rock? Over the Stones? ouch.

On 5/30/2019 at 5:41 PM, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

The Cars were always too poppy for me, along with Journey. I am a Tom Petty fan, but can see where you're coming from.

The first Journey album was rock...has a progressive sound. Way before they top 40'd out.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

13 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

I know! Bon Jovi? Seriously...isn't he more like borderline glam rock? Over the Stones? ouch.

The first Journey album was rock...has a progressive sound. Way before they top 40'd out.

Maybe I'm just holding a grudge, but anybody from Buffalo who still supports Bon Jovi should pack their bags and leave. And I agree on the Journey part. I was surprised to read that Journey was actually a spinoff group from a few guys who were in Santana.

[Gugny]

38 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Maybe I'm just holding a grudge, but anybody from Buffalo who still supports Bon Jovi should pack their bags and leave. And I agree on the Journey part. I was surprised to read that Journey was actually a spinoff group from a few guys who were in Santana.

 

I still don't understand why people are mad at Jon Bon Jovi.

 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Gugny

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

25 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I still don't understand why people are mad at Jon Bon Jovi.

 

 

 

I don't think Bon Jovi himself wanted to move to Toronto. He just wanted the fun of owning an NFL team. But the fact that he was leaching on to people who clearly wanted the team in Canada is what bugged people. Even if he wanted to keep the team in Buffalo, he was only gonna be like 1/3 ownership so it didn't really matter. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

I don't think Bon Jovi himself wanted to move to Toronto. He just wanted the fun of owning an NFL team. But the fact that he was leaching on to people who clearly wanted the team in Canada is what bugged people. Even if he wanted to keep the team in Buffalo, he was only gonna be like 1/3 ownership so it didn't really matter. 

 

I don't think he sees owning an NFL team as a hobby or something fun to do.  It's apparent that he's wanted to do this for quite some time.  Teams don't go up for sale very often and I will never begrudge him for chasing his dream.

 

Not everyone has billions of dollars laying around to just buy a team.  He had to become part of the ownership group that was willing to work with him.  If he thought that an NFL team in Toronto was going to be a sound investment, and this was the opportunity that presented itself, then I have zero issue with anything he did.

[T&C]

1 hour ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

Maybe I'm just holding a grudge, but anybody from Buffalo who still supports Bon Jovi should pack their bags and leave. And I agree on the Journey part. I was surprised to read that Journey was actually a spinoff group from a few guys who were in Santana.

They also had Aynsley Dunbar as the drummer, fresh off Zappa's Mothers. His work on The Grand Wazoo is incredible... so yeah, they started off the right way.

 

From Wiki, the source of all knowledge lol:

 

"Dunbar was later the drummer for Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention, playing on albums such as Waka/Jawaka, and The Grand Wazoo, as well as the film 200 Motels. In 1974 he played on the soundtrack of Dirty Duck, an adult animated film directed by Charles Swenson. In the mid-1970s Dunbar played drums for former Grin leader, Nils Lofgren, before joining Journey for their first four albums."