Sherlock Holmes Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Absolutely none of this makes sense. Why would the Jets trade him without playing a down for them and why would they trade to Buffalo? Even the Jets are not that stupid... Are they? We can hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: In this absurd hypothetical world, you'd be paying him 12 mil less than the contract he signed. For one year. Then his price would increase to the contract he signed. 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: 2nd Round pick to overpay this bum.. God help us.. I believe McDermott would heartily endorse the latter sentiment but neither he nor Beane are likely to take action along the lines of the media speculation, even if the speculative speculation that the Jets are willing to trade Bell should prove real. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: For one year. Then his price would increase to the contract he signed. I believe McDermott would heartily endorse the latter sentiment but neither he nor Beane are likely to take action along the lines of the media speculation, even if the speculative speculation that the Jets are willing to trade Bell should prove real. Well now you're just...speculating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 This gives speculation a bad name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Well now you're just...speculating. You're speculating about that Actually, YOU'RE RIGHT! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Would be awesome if the Jets traded him away before he even played a single snap. Wouldn't want him on the Bills for any price. Its all moot because it’s never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Can't see this happening for a myriad of reasons. Namely optics. The Jets sign this guy to huge money in FA, he doesn't show up for OTA's, then send him to a division rival? Would be flat out odd. Not to mention that we just drafted a back, and already have 2 potential HOF candidates in the backfield already. Really not sure there would be a market for Bell, even with his signing bonus paid. The guy just sat out a season, his teammates didn't seem super supportive. Then he knows shows OTA's after signing a big deal with his new organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 who are the jets two possibly best or at least top five players? bell and leonard williams. both have rumors all around them. that cant make for a good locker room. training camp with them will be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 he is a chemistry killer. hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 15 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Of course it is speculation. Most of what we read in the media is speculation. The facts appear to be these: Gase did have a difference of opinion with Maccagnan over Bell's compensation. Given that Bell is unlikely to be Gase's ally. Gase has incentives to make at least some changes to the roster - so if Jets do well - he doesnt have to give Mike Mac the credit. The coaching staff also appears pissed that Bell has been a no-show so far. SO the New York Media puts all that together and says hey! if we are to trade Bell, who do we trade him to and what do we get. I dont see anything wrong with that. That said - the writer is not suggesting giving up Bell for nothing within months of signing. He is expecting that the Jets receive some draft compensation for the signing bonus, no? Maybe you missed that. So... the dude's been a no show at the team facility, we will have to pay him a lot of money, AND we have to give up a high draft pick for him??? Where do I sign up??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 They aren’t trading him this year. But it was a dumb signing for a guy for a non demand position who only is out for himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 7 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....AGREE....ain't enough Excedrin on the planet to cure this headache.......let 'em sufferwith Gase................ Mike Tomlin must have had his hands full with the dynamic dodos 11 minutes ago, hjnick said: So... the dude's been a no show at the team facility, we will have to pay him a lot of money, AND we have to give up a high draft pick for him??? Where do I sign up??? But his workout is SO much better than the teams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 15 hours ago, Bills fan in 561 said: Unpopular opinion but I dont think Gase is that bad and hes right about not wanting to pay a running back that much money.The Jets were basically building the team like the Bills had been during the drought.To be successful you need to get out of cap jail and spend money on positions that are coveted in said scheme.GM and coach need to be on the same page.We(Bills) are finally building the team the right way but people thought Mcbean went nuts trading Watkins and Darby remember.Those moves where chess moves not checkers moves. I love to jump on the bandwagon and laugh at the tire fire that is the Jets but...ah never mind Gase is ghost face yacked and their doomed lol I think the biggest mistake the Jests made was not firing their GM sooner if he was not going to be compatible with the new head coach or if he wasn't living up to the expectations of the owner. Why keep a dude around to F'k up your free agent signings and also the draft.... THEN can him? They should have canned the GM as soon as they knew the dude was toast, find a new GM that believes in what you want to do, THEN go and get a coach... The Jests fail in Logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Mike Tomlin must have had his hands full with the dynamic dodos Yeah for as much talent as the Steelers list, I bet Tomlin is much happier. I won’t be shocked to see them in the playoffs. Seems like it will be a much more unified locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah for as much talent as the Steelers list, I bet Tomlin is much happier. I won’t be shocked to see them in the playoffs. Seems like it will be a much more unified locker room. should as long as Ben stays healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They aren’t trading him this year. But it was a dumb signing for a guy for a non demand position who only is out for himself. to this day I cant believe bell thought it was a smart move to sit out. it was universally known the steelers had a top OL. literally anyone that's ever filled in for bell has basically matched his production. from an aging DeAngelo Williams in the twilight of his career to an upstart conner this year and then the rookie samuels goes off for 130+ rushing in a start after conner went down. how can that help a guys value? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: to this day I cant believe bell thought it was a smart move to sit out. it was universally known the steelers had a top OL. literally anyone that's ever filled in for bell has basically matched his production. from an aging DeAngelo Williams in the twilight of his career to an upstart conner this year and then the rookie samuels goes off for 130+ rushing in a start after conner went down. how can that help a guys value? Yeah, I guess the counter he could have is the Steelers would have run him into the ground since they weren’t bringing him back and he avoided injury/ wear and tear. But he did lose out on $14 million and got less than the Steelers would have paid him. So he kinda took an L. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: should as long as Ben stays healthy. And avoids bathrooms and motorcycles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, I guess the counter he could have is the Steelers would have run him into the ground since they weren’t bringing him back and he avoided injury/ wear and tear. But he did lose out on $14 million and got less than the Steelers would have paid him. So he kinda took an L. And avoids bathrooms and motorcycles. Behold ! The OutCycle ! Or Edited May 21, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 17 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwilliamson/2019/05/20/teams-that-make-sense-for-leveon-bell-if-jets-trade-him/#3c56a519d1e1 I wouldnt give up a first rounder - but a second? Maybe. But only if in the OTAs the Bills feel Shady has lost a step. Five year 40 mill is a steal for Bell. Jets would be foolish to trade him to us - but who else needs him AND has cap space AND draft capital? Only if they give him number 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're speculating about that Actually, YOU'RE RIGHT! The whole fun of being on a forum like this is the speculation:) All of us like to speculate but very few appreciate being called a speculator:) I enjoy the give and take so long as it is civil (like the above example). 27 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Only if they give him number 32. edit: sry that was a joke in bad taste. Edited May 21, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Exactly. If the Bills or any other team were interested, they should have signed him. Maybe acquiring him via trade would leave the Jets on the hook for some of the $? Have no idea on that. The TRADE market would be extremely slim. Maybe a 6th or a 7th. This is it exactly. Any team can now get Bell for a reasonable price and may be willing to pony up a high draft pick for it. If they can secure a 2nd rounder then the Jets would be effectively paying $12 mill for a second round pick which is ultimately fine. In the NBA this type of stuff happens all the time, trading cash for picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Actually - he now becomes affordable for the price most teams seemed to value him at. The Jets paid 12 million of the guaranteed money - that leaves essentially the 4 years and under 40 million or just under 10 million per season - I believe. It actually makes him much more trade-able because his annual cost is significantly lower - I can see a higher round pick (2nd/3rd) for him or maybe more for a team that thinks this moves them to late in the round. Appreciate these responses. It makes much more sense now. Don't see any way he ends up in Buffalo and still think he's overrated and a huge risk to "fall off," but I get the rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Peace Frog said: He's also a year older. My point is he may not have taken a season's worth of hits but he's also not in 'game shape'. Just watch. Nobody’s in game shape in the off-season. I’ll take over 600yds all day. He’s going to be a pain to play 2x year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is speculation of the most speculative, based on rumors Gase wasn't "all in" on the big contract Bell was given. IF the NYJ were to throw $12M down the crapper by trading him before he plays a down, who MIGHT they trade him to. The Steelers /SARCASM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 To much coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, stony said: Nobody’s in game shape in the off-season. I’ll take over 600yds all day. He’s going to be a pain to play 2x year. I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. However he was with the Steelers will not be the way he will be with the Jets. He WAS a great RB but I'm saying he will be just okay with the Jets. M'kay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Peace Frog said: I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. However he was with the Steelers will not be the way he will be with the Jets. He WAS a great RB but I'm saying he will be just okay with the Jets. M'kay? I'm missing something but that's fine. You said he'll pull a hammy in preseason because he sat out a year. That doesn't make any sense. Edited May 22, 2019 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: The whole fun of being on a forum like this is the speculation:) All of us like to speculate but very few appreciate being called a speculator:) I enjoy the give and take so long as it is civil (like the above example). edit: sry that was a joke in bad taste. Apologies. Only made it because of the other news that came out that the Bills gave out that number and because I found it so unlikely that the Jets would trade him in the division. Edited May 22, 2019 by Bruce Harper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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