Trust the Process

[COACH85]

Other than not being able to Draft D.K. Metcalf when he started to slide to the end of the 2nd Round or at least get Hakeem Butler in the 3rd Round, I really liked the Bills Draft AGAIN this year, especially the first 4 picks.  The Bills probably end up with two immediate starters in Oliver and Ford with possibly two other starters (Singletary and Knox) by the end of the year if things play out right.  In 2018 we had another AWESOME Draft where we FINALLY secured our Franchise QB in Josh Allen, a Stud MLB in Tremaine Edwards, Taron Johnson was a Beast when healthy and WR Robert Foster was a Surprising and Spectacular Undrafted Free Agent.  Oh, by the way, we TRADED UP TWICE to get those TWO key cogs in Allen and Edwards to lead our Off and Def respectively for easily the next decade.  Both of these Drafts under the McDermott and Beane Combo have been solid (although our 2019 picks still have to prove themselves on the NFL field). 

Our GM and Head Coach have spent their entire first two years together trying to clean up the COMPLETE MESS they inherited from Doug Whaley and Rex Ryan with regards to Contracts and Overall Talent.  I would say they are doing an Excellent job in BOTH these areas so far.    What I can't understand is when a Report comes out the day before the Draft that the Bills might be interested in moving up in the Draft to #3 to get Quinnen Williams, why does a WGR Talk Show Host (Schoop) go on a Negative Rant for HOURS comparing a possible move like this with EVERYTHING that has transpired with the Bills over the past 20 so years and he goes on to complain that the Bills don't have a clue what they're doing and never will with moves like this??? 
Isn't he a talk show host?   Its a different time, different players involved, different organizational leaders at GM and Head Coach, etc.......AND more importantly, these two guys have done nothing but put the Bills in a much better position both with Talent AND Cap Situation than we've ever had in the past 20 years.  They did NOT make the Trade to move up because they DO know what they are doing BUT if they did, I would believe in their professional judgement because up until this point, most of their decisions (other than Peterman and Benjamin) have been pretty spot on and I'm happy with where the Bills Team is right now.  Trust the Process!   Thoughts????  

 

[Woodman19]

Whether one trusts it or not doesn't matter. Everyone has to deal with it because the process is happening no matter how unhappy they may be with it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Whether one trusts it or not doesn't matter. Everyone has to deal with it because the process is happening no matter how unhappy they may be with it.

 

There's an element of truth with this, though I believe they're playing with fire by not doing what Cleveland's done to help Mayfield.

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Great post OP! This time of year tends to bring out the Chicken Little sky is falling types, precisely because the draft is such a subjective science and every draftnik out there thinks their take is the best one, and any deviation therefrom equals sure failure. I agree with your hesitation re DK or Butler slides, but overall I think they did a great job with once again improving our roster significantly from where we were before. That’s the key—by any objective measure, we are better than we were before the draft/FA.  Take some deep breaths my cynical many times burned fellow Bills fans! 

[SoCal Deek]

The draft came out pretty much as I predicted. The Bills got one and half picks that anybody has ever heard of and then a whole bunch of guys that the Board immediately said “who”? I’m hoping the professionals know what they’re doing. They spend way more time at it then I do. But...at first glance I’m thinking this one will be a semi-dud. 

Go Bills

[chris heff]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

There's an element of truth with this, though I believe they're playing with fire by not doing what Cleveland's done to help Mayfield.

 

So because they didn’t draft a WR they didn’t help Allen? I think Ford might be helpful. 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, chris heff said:

So because they didn’t draft a WR they didn’t help Allen? I think Ford might be helpful. 

so will Beasley and Brown

[Woodman19]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

so will Beasley and Brown

Don't forget an offensive line that can let Allen drop back and plant his feet, or a defense that can limit the opponents scoring even more.

Edited April 28, 2019 by Woodman19

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

While I understand your arguments here, @chris heff, @nucci and @Woodman19, I'll say this again: I look at what Cleveland's done to help their young QB. I compare it to what Beane and McDermott have done. There really isn't a comparison, unless you're willing to claim that one of the legion of guys they've brought in compare with ODB and Jarvis Landry. You could say Cleveland has two #1 guys, and we have 3-4 #2s at best, not to mention better RBs and TE.

 

 

[Woodman19]

8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

While I understand your arguments here, @chris heff, @nucci and @Woodman19, I'll say this again: I look at what Cleveland's done to help their young QB. I compare it to what Beane and McDermott have done. There really isn't a comparison, unless you're willing to claim that one of the legion of guys they've brought in compare with ODB and Jarvis Landry. You could say Cleveland has two #1 guys, and we have 3-4 #2s at best, not to mention better RBs and TE.

 

 

We are trying to build a championship team and maximise draft value by taking what's there, not help a single player by drafting what we wish was there.  He still gets help indirectly a strong supporting cast and the team as a whole benefits from the improved depth.

[Boca BIlls]

28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

There's an element of truth with this, though I believe they're playing with fire by not doing what Cleveland's done to help Mayfield.

 

lol anointing Cleveland the team you copy your draft with after 1 year with no playoffs.

 

Or you dont reach based off your board and you do what you need to do for THIS team.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, COACH85 said:

Other than not being able to Draft D.K. Metcalf when he started to slide to the end of the 2nd Round or at least get Hakeem Butler in the 3rd Round, I really liked the Bills Draft AGAIN this year, especially the first 4 picks.  The Bills probably end up with two immediate starters in Oliver and Ford with possibly two other starters (Singletary and Knox) by the end of the year if things play out right.  In 2018 we had another AWESOME Draft where we FINALLY secured our Franchise QB in Josh Allen, a Stud MLB in Tremaine Edwards, Taron Johnson was a Beast when healthy and WR Robert Foster was a Surprising and Spectacular Undrafted Free Agent.  Oh, by the way, we TRADED UP TWICE to get those TWO key cogs in Allen and Edwards to lead our Off and Def respectively for easily the next decade.  Both of these Drafts under the McDermott and Beane Combo have been solid (although our 2019 picks still have to prove themselves on the NFL field). 

Our GM and Head Coach have spent their entire first two years together trying to clean up the COMPLETE MESS they inherited from Doug Whaley and Rex Ryan with regards to Contracts and Overall Talent.  I would say they are doing an Excellent job in BOTH these areas so far.    What I can't understand is when a Report comes out the day before the Draft that the Bills might be interested in moving up in the Draft to #3 to get Quinnen Williams, why does a WGR Talk Show Host (Schoop) go on a Negative Rant for HOURS comparing a possible move like this with EVERYTHING that has transpired with the Bills over the past 20 so years and he goes on to complain that the Bills don't have a clue what they're doing and never will with moves like this??? 
Isn't he a talk show host?   Its a different time, different players involved, different organizational leaders at GM and Head Coach, etc.......AND more importantly, these two guys have done nothing but put the Bills in a much better position both with Talent AND Cap Situation than we've ever had in the past 20 years.  They did NOT make the Trade to move up because they DO know what they are doing BUT if they did, I would believe in their professional judgement because up until this point, most of their decisions (other than Peterman and Benjamin) have been pretty spot on and I'm happy with where the Bills Team is right now.  Trust the Process!   Thoughts????  

 

Had to stop there ?

[Kirby Jackson]

I was really hoping that this thread was going to be “can we stop saying trust the process?” We literally just stole it from the 76ers. It’s lame and played out. We need to be a little more creative and come up with our own motto for what’s happening at OBD. 

[Virgil]

34 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Whether one trusts it or not doesn't matter. Everyone has to deal with it because the process is happening no matter how unhappy they may be with it.

 

Doesn’t mean you can’t complain about it. That’s what the forum is for. To agree/disagree in a conversational way. 

 

[Boca BIlls]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

Doesn’t mean you can’t complain about it. That’s what the forum is for. To agree/disagree in a conversational way. 

 

Agree/Disagree, yes. Complain like a child, no.

 

 

People love to think complaining everyday about the same ***** is (Agreeing/Disagreeing)

Edited April 28, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

While I understand your arguments here, @chris heff, @nucci and @Woodman19, I'll say this again: I look at what Cleveland's done to help their young QB. I compare it to what Beane and McDermott have done. There really isn't a comparison, unless you're willing to claim that one of the legion of guys they've brought in compare with ODB and Jarvis Landry. You could say Cleveland has two #1 guys, and we have 3-4 #2s at best, not to mention better RBs and TE.

I understand your position and I think most of us would have loved to have added a true #1 receiver to the team. I personally would have loved DK or Harry. However:

 

(1) I think the comparisons to Cleveland are a little unfair as I believe they are probably a year or so ahead of the Bills in building their team and had better overall talent on their team when they selected Mayfield, as opposed to Allen.

 

(2) I am not sure Beane is done, as he has given every indication he would love to find upgrades at WR - in particular an upper echelon talent. Yet, even if it doesn't happen this year, they have done a considerable amount of work to improve the passing game. I've said it over and over: building a strong offensive line and strong running game is the quickest path to improvement for Allen. It allows him to utilize his strengths (play action, time in the pocket to go downfield, etc) while working on improving areas he needs to improve on. It also makes the receivers they have even better.

 

All indications are that next year's draft is probably going to be much deeper at receiver than this year. I think that is when you will see the big additions at the receiver position. In the meantime, there is absolutely no reason to think they will not be much better this year as they are.

[Virgil]

Just now, Boca BIlls said:

Agree/Disagree, yes. Complain like a child, no.

 

 

People love to think complaining everyday about the same ***** is (Agreeing/Disagreeing)

 

Wait until you get married.....

[Boca BIlls]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

Wait until you get married.....

So you are the wife? That is your excuse?

[Virgil]

17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

While I understand your arguments here, @chris heff, @nucci and @Woodman19, I'll say this again: I look at what Cleveland's done to help their young QB. I compare it to what Beane and McDermott have done. There really isn't a comparison, unless you're willing to claim that one of the legion of guys they've brought in compare with ODB and Jarvis Landry. You could say Cleveland has two #1 guys, and we have 3-4 #2s at best, not to mention better RBs and TE.

 

 

 

I agree with you. But I also don’t think that’s the system we are going to run.  We aren’t going to rely on one or two guys. It’s going to be a spread like the Pats. Also, we aren’t going to have a roster where 4-5 guys eat our entire cap.  

 

I like our WR situation now.  There wasn’t a clear #1 guy available this year.  And no, I didn’t want OBJ. 

 

We will see how this season goes with 3-4 decent starters and next year’s draft is very offensive heavy. 

4 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

So you are the wife? That is your excuse?

 

Are you flirting with me?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

And no, I didn’t want OBJ. 
 

Really? Why not?

 

 

[Virgil]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

Really? Why not?

 

 

 

Contract and drama.  

 

We just dug ourselves out of cap hell and there’s clearly a culture they want to create. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

All indications are that next year's draft is probably going to be much deeper at receiver than this year. I think that is when you will see the big additions at the receiver position. In the meantime, there is absolutely no reason to think they will not be much better this year as they are.

First, I appreciate the civil response. Second, What specifically has you feeling good about the receivers being much better this year?

 

[DCbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was really hoping that this thread was going to be “can we stop saying trust the process?” We literally just stole it from the 76ers. It’s lame and played out. We need to be a little more creative and come up with our own motto for what’s happening at OBD. 

It is worn out.  Everywhere you turn in sports now the word "process" is used.  They need to come up with a new word to wear out.  It's like a radio station playing the same song too much.  I do believe Beane is doing a good job and Bills are fortunate to have him as GM. 

[CaptnCoke11]

Ok so you’re whining the Bills didn’t draft Butler or Metcalf but still like the first 4 picks.. Sounds like a contradiction to me.  

[DCbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

What specifically has you feeling good about the receivers being much better this year?

 

Allen will be the starter right away unlike last year so he will work with the receivers and get the timing down.  Second, Foster and Jones improved as the year progressed as well as Allen.  They added Brown, speed, and Beasley who has a knack of getting open.  They're experienced NFL receivers.  Plus the Oline should be much improved.  Run game should be better which keeps the defense off balanced.  Greater chance for play action creating big plays downfield.

 

Next draft, I believe Bills will get WR1.  

[ddaryl]

58 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

Whether one trusts it or not doesn't matter. Everyone has to deal with it because the process is happening no matter how unhappy they may be with it.

 

 

[Virgil]

10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

First, I appreciate the civil response. Second, What specifically has you feeling good about the receivers being much better this year?

 

 

This wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll take it.  I absolutely think our receivers are better this year and didn’t see WR as a need this draft.  

 

You want burners on the outside.  Brown and Foster are just that.  It was amazing to see how quickly teams started to respect Fosters speed and the impact that made.  

 

You want your possession guys in the slot. Zay’s natural position is your speed internal while Beasley is pure possession.  

 

We have at least 4 guys who require attention and our offense was at it’s best last year when we spread it out.  

 

You can question Zay and I wouldn’t argue.  But we have guys that each fill a needed role and whom I have faith will run the right routes and catch the ball. 

 

We just don’t have a guy we can just throw it up to each play, but neither does 2/3s of the NFL. 

 

If we drafted a number one, who are you taking off the field, Zay?  I would already argue he’s 4th

 

Where do you disagree?

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

First, I appreciate the civil response. Second, What specifically has you feeling good about the receivers being much better this year?

 

I can only go by analyses I have read regarding the strengths of the 2020 WR group. I have seen anywhere from 7-10 WRs listed in the top 50 overall prospects. DK has the most upside of any WR in this draft - but he is anything but a sure bet. If he reaches his potential, he will be a stud. However, I would put the following potential 2020 receivers at or above all but 1 or 2 of the receivers in this draft:

 

Jerry Jeudy, Alabama
Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
Tarik Black, Michigan
Collin Johnson, Texas
Tee Higgins, Clemson
Jalen Reagor, TCU 
Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma
Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan

 

 

Edited April 28, 2019 by billsfan1959

[JaCrispy]

56 minutes ago, nucci said:

so will Beasley and Brown

...as will Kroft, Gore, and Knox.

Edited April 28, 2019 by JaCrispy

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

It is worn out.  Everywhere you turn in sports now the word "process" is used.  They need to come up with a new word to wear out.  It's like a radio station playing the same song too much.  I do believe Beane is doing a good job and Bills are fortunate to have him as GM. 

Yeah, I’m really happy with Beane. I love the way that he navigated this offseason. The whole “process” thing is just stupid. You can’t steal someone else’s motto and just pretend it’s yours. 

[billsfan1959]

22 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

First, I appreciate the civil response. Second, What specifically has you feeling good about the receivers being much better this year?

 

My apologies in my last response, I misread your post and thought you were asking about my thoughts on next year's crop of WRs. As for the WRs on the team, I think, by making the offensive line a strength, and I do believe it will be, Allen will have more time, he will be able to utilize play action more effectively, and the defenses will have to be more cognizant of defending the entire field and both run and pass. That alone helps the receivers we have to be better than they would be in the s@*t show that was our offense last year. 

 

Also, given Foster's play over the last half of last season (which put him in the upper level of receivers in the league) paired with the speed of Brown on the other side, will open up things for Allen (not to mention the running game) - and, hopefully, he learns to take more of those underneath patterns to running backs, Beasley, Croft, Knox, and/or Jones. Also, I am optimistic about Duke Williams. Coming out of Auburn, he had as much talent as most WRs in this year's draft. It was his off the field issues that led him to being an UDFA and then to the CFL. He is a real talent.

 

All in all, I am optimistic that they will be much better than last year. It doesn't mean I don't want that true #1 guy; however, I don't think it will be detrimental to their success if they have to wait another year for it.

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

While I understand your arguments here, @chris heff, @nucci and @Woodman19, I'll say this again: I look at what Cleveland's done to help their young QB. I compare it to what Beane and McDermott have done. There really isn't a comparison, unless you're willing to claim that one of the legion of guys they've brought in compare with ODB and Jarvis Landry. You could say Cleveland has two #1 guys, and we have 3-4 #2s at best, not to mention better RBs and TE.

 

 

I was one of the few that would have loved to get Beckham here. You're correct..we do not have a great WR right now....but our offense should be much better

Edited April 28, 2019 by nucci

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The draft came out pretty much as I predicted. The Bills got one and half picks that anybody has ever heard of and then a whole bunch of guys that the Board immediately said “who”? I’m hoping the professionals know what they’re doing. They spend way more time at it then I do. But...at first glance I’m thinking this one will be a semi-dud. 

Go Bills

Trust that the professionals know what they are doing.   Because they have proven so far they do.  

 

They completely fixed the WR position this year, just as they fixed the defensive backfield 2 years ago, thru FA with guys who already know how to play WR in this league instead of drafting rookie WRs.  

 

Plus they fixed the O Line and also replaced Kyle with a guy probably better than Kyle.   Plus replaced Kyle's locker room presence with a guy probably going to the HOF. 

 

McBeanes are killing it. 

 

Trust the Process. 

[LabattBlue]

57 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I’m really happy with Beane. I love the way that he navigated this offseason. The whole “process” thing is just stupid. You can’t steal someone else’s motto and just pretend it’s yours. 

^^^ This. Most NFL teams are doing the same exact thing as the Bills.  Just because they want to call it a cool name, doesn't make it revolutionary.

 

I'd be okay if I never see the term "process" here again.

Edited April 28, 2019 by LabattBlue

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

We just don’t have a guy we can just throw it up to each play, but neither does 2/3s of the NFL. 

 

If we drafted a number one, who are you taking off the field, Zay?  I would already argue he’s 4th

 

Where do you disagree?

Thanks for the response.

 

To answer the first sentence there, Do we want to be in the bottom 66% of pass offenses or the top 33%?

 

I'd probably take Zay off yes and have WR1/Brown/Beasley on the field. I like Zay as a person, but man, he's not the most reliable guy on the field.

 

 

 

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Thanks for the response.

 

To answer the first sentence there, Do we want to be in the bottom 66% of pass offenses or the top 33%?

 

I'd probably take Zay off yes and have WR1/Brown/Beasley on the field. I like Zay as a person, but man, he's not the most reliable guy on the field.

 

 

 

 

I think you can make it work without them. I also don’t think there was a guy in this year’s draft to be that.  

 

Maybe I’m naive, but I really want to see a full season of Foster 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

Maybe I’m naive, but I really want to see a full season of Foster 

 

He's really the guy that it all hinges on. If he's legit they COULD be good.

 

It's a coin flip for me whether or not he is.

 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

This wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll take it.  I absolutely think our receivers are better this year and didn’t see WR as a need this draft.  

 

You want burners on the outside.  Brown and Foster are just that.  It was amazing to see how quickly teams started to respect Fosters speed and the impact that made.  

 

You want your possession guys in the slot. Zay’s natural position is your speed internal while Beasley is pure possession.  

 

We have at least 4 guys who require attention and our offense was at it’s best last year when we spread it out.  

 

You can question Zay and I wouldn’t argue.  But we have guys that each fill a needed role and whom I have faith will run the right routes and catch the ball. 

 

We just don’t have a guy we can just throw it up to each play, but neither does 2/3s of the NFL. 

 

If we drafted a number one, who are you taking off the field, Zay?  I would already argue he’s 4th

 

Where do you disagree?

And don't forget the new breath of life at the TE position!!!  We are no more playing an injured Charles Clay/ 

 

Also we should not forget that with a better OL, our RB game should include and also will give additional second for the WRs to get separation. 

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He's really the guy that it all hinges on. If he's legit they COULD be good.

 

It's a coin flip for me whether or not he is.

 

The key is how well Josh progresses in year 2.  Everything else goes out the window.

[JoPar_v2]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I was really hoping that this thread was going to be “can we stop saying trust the process?” We literally just stole it from the 76ers. It’s lame and played out. We need to be a little more creative and come up with our own motto for what’s happening at OBD. 

 

If I could cheers this 1,000 times I would. TTP is pure cringe at this point of its lifecycle.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

The key is how well Josh progresses in year 2.  Everything else goes out the window.

Which is PRECISELY why I wish they'd made an ODB-type move to help him.