So why was Josh Allen a 1st rounder & Tyree Jackson Undrafted?

[Albany,n.y.]

51 minutes ago, Richard Crickets said:

Who is the greatest undrafted qb of all time? 

I don't know about ones from years back but the most recent one to go to the HOF is Kurt Warner, who got cut by GB as a rookie and you know the rest of the story.  What I think is most interesting is that in 1994 Warner was in the same camp with Farve, Brunell and former Heisman winner Ty Detmer.  To this day I believe it was the greatest group of QBs ever on one team, albeit in preseason, at the same time.  Two Hall of Famers, a pro bowler and a former Heisman winner who was a decent career backup and lasted 14 years in the NFL.  Combined, the 4 QBs played a total of 65 seasons.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[bills11]

Because tyree jackson throws the pigskin like a mlb pitcher..hes not just inaccurate he sometimes misses targets 10 feet over their heads no exaggeration  

[mannc]

On 4/28/2019 at 7:52 AM, Buffalo716 said:

I have watched every snap of Jacksons career...

 

he may be physically similar to Allen but their actual quarterbacking skills are not on par...

 

for starters... Allen has a super crisp and quick release..,

 

Jackson has a very noticeable elongation in his windup...

 

in the NFL that is the difference betweeen a TD and a pick 6...

 

Josh Allen also had experience in a very pro style offense... routinely played in a system that asked him to read the whole field from 3-5-7 step drops 

 

TJ played in a gimmicky spread offense... he did read the whole field... but NEVER worked under center... maybe 1%...

 

Jackson also was on a loaded UB offense and he struggled at times.. 

 

Josh may have struggled at times but he was on a dog**** Wyoming offense... he CARRIED THE TEAM

 

Jackson didn’t carry UB

 

 

 

 

This is a plausible answer.  Again, I never saw Jackson play in college, so I'm not offering an opinion on him.  But some of this is subjective and doesn't make much sense. 

 

The Wyoming team Josh's Junior year was not dog****.  They had quite a few players drafted, IIRC, and some are still in the league. 

 

Plenty of QBs get drafted every year from "gimmicky spread offenses", including the guy who went first overall this year.  Did Kyler Murray ever work under center?  If so, I never saw it.

 

Re Jackson's "windup" and slow release, aren't those things teachable?  

 

Again, you've hit on some interesting differences, but IMO they don't entirely explain why one guy was seventh overall pick and one guy was undrafted.   I'm starting to think that a lot of times decisions like this are highly subjective and are subject to human error and preconceived notions.  I guess that's one of the things that makes the draft process so interesting and allows some teams to outperform others.        

[BullBuchanan]

11 hours ago, Richard Crickets said:

Who is the greatest undrafted qb of all time? 

Kurt Warner.

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Kurt Warner.

Tony Romo a close second.

[T master]

Well could we have a Tom Brady scenario in the making ? Could Allen get plastered by a LB on a run & have to sit out & because Barkley pulled a hammy in practice be thrust into the QB position after he beats out D.A. in camp ?

 

Then he goes on to win multiple super bowls while Allen is used to get other draft picks or is put to the #2 QB on the roster ? 

 

Well hey it happened once a guy can dream can't he !! ?

[78thealltimegreat]

Josh Allen would have competed with Kyler Murray for no1 overall this year...Tyree Jackson not so much 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

This is a plausible answer.  Again, I never saw Jackson play in college, so I'm not offering an opinion on him.  But some of this is subjective and doesn't make much sense. 

 

The Wyoming team Josh's Junior year was not dog****.  They had quite a few players drafted, IIRC, and some are still in the league. 

 

Plenty of QBs get drafted every year from "gimmicky spread offenses", including the guy who went first overall this year.  Did Kyler Murray ever work under center?  If so, I never saw it.

 

Re Jackson's "windup" and slow release, aren't those things teachable?  

 

Again, you've hit on some interesting differences, but IMO they don't entirely explain why one guy was seventh overall pick and one guy was undrafted.   I'm starting to think that a lot of times decisions like this are highly subjective and are subject to human error and preconceived notions.  I guess that's one of the things that makes the draft process so interesting and allows some teams to outperform others.        

Look at Allen’s Last year team... he had no supporting cast... was running for his life all year... he had the worst line in the MWC

 

Jackson had the best line in the MAC and still struggled...

 

Yes, you can “ technically” fix a windup flaw but it isn’t likely... its muscle memory and he’s been throwing a football like that for a decade.. it’s set in stone and it’s bad

 

he also DIPS THE BALL VERY LOW in the pocket... that is also MUSCLE MEMORY and it is a horrible QB trait

 

you mentioned the gimmicky offense and how others can get drafted from it... yes, you can get drafted from the spread but you need to look for things that translate ...’

 

Baker and Murray and Mahomes had over 65% completion... and showed great touch in the short and intermediate game... 

 

Jackson had the best weapons in the MAC , the best line , and couldn’t even complete 60%... he also struggled heavily in games and has scattershot accuracy within 10 yards with no touch

 

Allen with talent around him threw for 28 TDs in a pro offense as a RS SO and carried his team the next year while running for his life... Jackson never carried UB

 

You can like it or not but I said in November that Jackson was not NFL caliber and I’m around UB daily and I know his flaws

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Look at Allen’s Last year team... he had no supporting cast... was running for his life all year... he had the worst line in the MWC

 

Jackson had the best line in the MAC and still struggled...

 

Yes, you can “ technically” fix a windup flaw but it isn’t likely... its muscle memory and he’s been throwing a football like that for a decade.. it’s set in stone and it’s bad

 

he also DIPS THE BALL VERY LOW in the pocket... that is also MUSCLE MEMORY and it is a horrible QB trait

 

you mentioned the gimmicky offense and how others can get drafted from it... yes, you can get drafted from the spread but you need to look for things that translate ...’

 

Baker and Murray and Mahomes had over 65% completion... Jackson had the best weapons in the MAC , the best line , and couldn’t even complete 60%... he also struggled heavily in games

 

Allen with talent around him threw for 28 TDs in a pro offense as a RS SO and carried his team the next year... Jackson never carried UB

 

You can like it or not but I said in November that Jackson was not NFL caliber and I’m around UB daily and I know his flaws

 

 

It's a position where intangibles matter as much as talent.  You need to have an arm, a quick release, and need to be able to think quickly.  In the NFL you need to aid in setting the line, you need to work hard counts, run no-huddle, run plays from under center etc.  The teams confidence in your ability to do these things and excel at them is what might make someone determine what makes you a high or low pick.  Lots of guys with cannon arms, not a lot of guys get drafted so high JUST because of arm talent. 

 

You also need your QB to be a leader - to elevate the players around him.  To inspire their teammates to believe that they are never out of it.  Allen has that charisma, while others don't. 

 

Thats just the things I see when I see the comparisons.  

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Tony Romo a close second.

3 Superbowl appearances behind, though.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

It's a position where intangibles matter as much as talent.  You need to have an arm, a quick release, and need to be able to think quickly.  In the NFL you need to aid in setting the line, you need to work hard counts, run no-huddle, run plays from under center etc.  The teams confidence in your ability to do these things and excel at them is what might make someone determine what makes you a high or low pick.  Lots of guys with cannon arms, not a lot of guys get drafted so high JUST because of arm talent. 

 

You also need your QB to be a leader - to elevate the players around him.  To inspire their teammates to believe that they are never out of it.  Allen has that charisma, while others don't. 

 

Thats just the things I see when I see the comparisons.  

Physically they are close but it’s all the intangibles you can’t see that sets them apart as you said 

 

Jackson doesn’t check boxes in Mechanics, release, Consistency 

 

He is the perfect madden QB where none of that matters

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Physically they are close but it’s all the intangibles you can’t see that sets them apart as you said 

 

Jackson doesn’t check boxes in Mechanics, release, Consistency 

 

He is the perfect madden QB where none of that matters

 

 

Yeah, my buddy won our online league back to back years with Terrelle Pryor.  So frustrating, super fast and a rocket arm.

 

[mannc]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Look at Allen’s Last year team... he had no supporting cast... was running for his life all year... he had the worst line in the MWC

 

Jackson had the best line in the MAC and still struggled...

 

Yes, you can “ technically” fix a windup flaw but it isn’t likely... its muscle memory and he’s been throwing a football like that for a decade.. it’s set in stone and it’s bad

 

he also DIPS THE BALL VERY LOW in the pocket... that is also MUSCLE MEMORY and it is a horrible QB trait

 

you mentioned the gimmicky offense and how others can get drafted from it... yes, you can get drafted from the spread but you need to look for things that translate ...’

 

Baker and Murray and Mahomes had over 65% completion... and showed great touch in the short and intermediate game... 

 

Jackson had the best weapons in the MAC , the best line , and couldn’t even complete 60%... he also struggled heavily in games and has scattershot accuracy within 10 yards with no touch

 

Allen with talent around him threw for 28 TDs in a pro offense as a RS SO and carried his team the next year while running for his life... Jackson never carried UB

 

You can like it or not but I said in November that Jackson was not NFL caliber and I’m around UB daily and I know his flaws

 

Thanks for the response. 

 

What  do you think about the Bills signing Jackson and do you think he's got a shot at making the roster as the developmental QB3?

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Thanks for the response. 

 

What  do you think about the Bills signing Jackson and do you think he's got a shot at making the roster as the developmental QB3?

Of course he has a shot at the team... atleast PS...

 

I’ve had seasons since UB returned D1... I love them... I might sound like I hate him but TJ3 is a great kid and I wish him the best... what he did for UB was great... but I’ve been a scout/coach my whole life and I won’t sugar coat a prospect because I love his school or him

 

but he does have positives

 

 

he is in the 1% Of QB height, weight , speed... he is a phenomenal athlete with tremendous arm strength 

 

he can extend plays and throw on the run... he also throws a beautiful ball down the seam 

 

If Palmer can tweak his throwing motion we might have a solid backup

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

 

Yeah, my buddy won our online league back to back years with Terrelle Pryor.  So frustrating, super fast and a rocket arm.

 

I just won it with Deshone Kizer ?

 

ut doesn’t matter in madden lmaoo

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course he has a shot at the team... atleast PS...

 

I’ve had seasons since UB returned D1... I love them... I might sound like I hate him but TJ3 is a great kid and I wish him the best... what he did for UB was great... but I’ve been a scout/coach my whole life and I won’t sugar coat a prospect because I love his school or him

 

but he does have positives

 

 

he is in the 1% Of QB height, weight , speed... he is a phenomenal athlete with tremendous arm strength 

 

he can extend plays and throw on the run... he also throws a beautiful ball down the seam 

 

If Palmer can tweak his throwing motion we might have a solid backup

I just won it with Deshone Kizer ?

 

ut doesn’t matter in madden lmaoo

 

Nope!  Go with a QB who can scramble.  I personally like speed, but having a dominant #1 is awesome because some of the spectacular catch mechanics are just broken.  Plus money plays work with just about anyone so its about maximizing your yards afterwards.  Speed on certain routes, guys who can break a tackle and add extra yards on others.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Nope!  Go with a QB who can scramble.  I personally like speed, but having a dominant #1 is awesome because some of the spectacular catch mechanics are just broken.  Plus money plays work with just about anyone so its about maximizing your yards afterwards.  Speed on certain routes, guys who can break a tackle and add extra yards on others.

Of course!

 

speed speed speed in madden!

 

thats why when I do a fantasy draft league with friends I always go CB round 1... need a good matchup with WRs

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Of course!

 

speed speed speed in madden!

 

thats why when I do a fantasy draft league with friends I always go CB round 1... need a good matchup with WRs

 

I find myself playing a floating MLB in madden a lot so i usually get someone like wagner or keuchly.  Clog the middle of the field.  They have good hit power for popping fumbles on slot WRs too.  But good corners are awesome because you can play a lot more press coverage. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

I find myself playing a floating MLB in madden a lot so i usually get someone like wagner or keuchly.  Clog the middle of the field.  They have good hit power for popping fumbles on slot WRs too.  But good corners are awesome because you can play a lot more press coverage. 

I play as MLB or safety too but I don’t need a stud MLB out the gate, I like developing guys

 

i took Edmunds in a fantasy draft in an 8 team league... won MVP with him his rookie year ... 14 picks ?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I play as MLB or safety too but I don’t need a stud MLB out the gate, I like developing guys

 

i took Edmunds in a fantasy draft in an 8 team league... won MVP with him his rookie year ... 14 picks ?

 

When we do the online franchise i'll grab a stud DE.  Torch the computer for tons of sacks.  When you play on all-madden they complete everything anyway, so the only way to stop them is to sack them.  

 

I sacked russell wilson 10 times in a game with mario williams ?

[Buffalo716]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

When we do the online franchise i'll grab a stud DE.  Torch the computer for tons of sacks.  When you play on all-madden they complete everything anyway, so the only way to stop them is to sack them.  

 

I sacked russell wilson 10 times in a game with mario williams ?

 

Lmao I play on all madden too...

 

with scramblers like Wilson I just put pass rush on conservative and they set the edge... then they always wind up scrambling out right into them lol

 

ill run a 34 95% and both my OLBs will always  have 15-20 plus sacks

 

i like taking bad project QBs and developing them too haha

[ColoradoBills]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 11:03 PM, Leonhart2017 said:

I don’t know I am just a dude that doesn’t exercise, loves fried foods, and drinks like prohibition starts tomorrow. Your best bet at finding the answer is emailing the Bills organization. Let me know what you hear back!

 

I will remember that line...thank you.

 

15 hours ago, Richard Crickets said:

Who is the greatest undrafted qb of all time? 

I believe the query I ran last year (during the endless QB drafting threads) was Undrafted QBs with over 500 attempts from 1980 on.

 

Player	Undrafted	GP	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	YPA	TD	INT	PR
Case Keenum	2012	26	24	454	777	58.4	5,224	6.72	24	20	78.4
Brian Hoyer	2009	49	31	714	1,199	59.6	8,608	7.18	44	26	84.8
Matt Moore	2007	46	28	508	856	59.4	6,077	7.1	41	31	82
Tony Romo	2003	156	127	2,829	4,335	65.3	34,183	7.89	248	117	97.1
Shaun Hill	2002	49	35	757	1,225	61.8	8,295	6.77	49	30	84.9
Billy Volek	2000	39	10	337	561	60.1	3,754	6.69	27	15	84.9
Anthony Wright	1999	31	19	332	605	54.9	3,590	5.93	20	25	66.3
Jake Delhomme	1997	103	96	1,741	2,932	59.4	20,975	7.15	126	101	81.3
Jon Kitna	1996	141	124	2,677	4,442	60.3	29,745	6.7	169	165	77.4
Damon Huard	1996	64	27	574	946	60.7	6,303	6.66	33	26	80.6
Kelly Holcomb	1995	37	24	565	893	63.3	5,916	6.62	39	38	79.2
Kurt Warner	1994	124	116	2,666	4,070	65.5	32,344	7.95	208	128	93.7
Jeff Garcia	1994	125	116	2,264	3,676	61.6	25,537	6.95	161	83	87.5
Jay Fiedler	1994	76	60	1,008	1,717	58.7	11,844	6.9	69	66	77.1
Shane Matthews	1993	31	22	492	839	58.6	4,756	5.67	31	24	75
Jamie Martin	1993	53	8	355	541	65.6	3,814	7.05	20	21	82.3
Doug Pederson	1991	100	17	286	522	54.8	2,762	5.29	12	19	62.3
Erik Kramer	1987	83	67	1,317	2,299	57.3	15,337	6.67	92	79	76.6
Sean Salisbury	1986	40	12	318	577	55.1	3,824	6.63	19	19	72.9
Mike Tomczak	1985	185	73	1,248	2,337	53.4	16,079	6.88	88	106	68.9
David Archer	1984	55	23	336	661	50.8	4,337	6.56	18	30	61.9
Bobby Hebert	1983	118	100	1,839	3,121	58.9	21,683	6.95	135	124	78
Jeff Kemp	1981	96	29	479	916	52.3	6,230	6.8	39	40	70
Dave Krieg	1980	213	175	3,105	5,311	58.5	38,147	7.18	261	199	81.5

[metzelaars_lives]

As the token Bills and Wyoming fan on the board, the whole “Josh Allen had no talent around him at Wyoming” narrative is absolutely true for his 2017 season but not 2016.  They were stacked in 2016 and it was that season that put him on the map as a top prospect.  For a first year D1 starter, he was awesome in 2016.  

Edited April 29, 2019 by metzelaars_lives

[zow2]

Having watched Tyree for his entire UB career and only focusing on Josh Allen last season w the Bills I have two observations.  

 

For a big guy, Allen moves like an athlete, he has a burst when he takes off and runs... like an athlete.   Tyree looks uncoordinated at times and I think that is a legit knock on him by NFL scouts.  When he gets flustered back there he looks like the inflatable tube guy that's flopping around in front of used car dealerships. 

 

Allen needs to shore up his accuracy but he didn't look too far off and had a ton of drops.  He was a better looking passer than i was lead to believe coming in to the 2018 season. Tyree is a decent thrower when his initial read is open.  The second half of 2018 he really bounced too many short passes off the turf or threw 100 mph way over guys heads. No touch.  I like Tyree but i never thought he'd be anything more than a project early in his career.  I thought he'd be drafted late 5th or 6th round so I was wrong about that like many others.  

 

As for Allen, I didn't really want him based on the pre-draft reports last spring but i can see why he was a top-10 pick.  I think he will be good.  Maybe not great but good enough to win and make the playoffs.

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

On 4/28/2019 at 12:35 AM, Bills fan in 561 said:

I cant....

 

I also 2nd this but I prefer to say it with a British accent... I kont...

[C.Biscuit97]

22 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Look at Allen’s Last year team... he had no supporting cast... was running for his life all year... he had the worst line in the MWC

 

Jackson had the best line in the MAC and still struggled...

 

Yes, you can “ technically” fix a windup flaw but it isn’t likely... its muscle memory and he’s been throwing a football like that for a decade.. it’s set in stone and it’s bad

 

he also DIPS THE BALL VERY LOW in the pocket... that is also MUSCLE MEMORY and it is a horrible QB trait

 

you mentioned the gimmicky offense and how others can get drafted from it... yes, you can get drafted from the spread but you need to look for things that translate ...’

 

Baker and Murray and Mahomes had over 65% completion... and showed great touch in the short and intermediate game... 

 

Jackson had the best weapons in the MAC , the best line , and couldn’t even complete 60%... he also struggled heavily in games and has scattershot accuracy within 10 yards with no touch

 

Allen with talent around him threw for 28 TDs in a pro offense as a RS SO and carried his team the next year while running for his life... Jackson never carried UB

 

You can like it or not but I said in November that Jackson was not NFL caliber and I’m around UB daily and I know his flaws

 

Considering no one from UB was drafted, maybe we overrated the talent. 

[oldmanfan]

Give the kid some solid coaching and see if he can cut it at QB.  And if not he's 6'7" and almost 250.  Put a little more muscle on him and convert him to a receiving TE.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Considering no one from UB was drafted, maybe we overrated the talent. 

Idk about every player 

 

every Scout I talk to had atleast a 4-6 round grade on Johnson... he was definitely the draftable player

 

thats just the nature of The  spread offense now... 5-10 good WRs go undrafted yearly and unfortunately he was 1

[Delete This Account]

On 4/27/2019 at 11:55 PM, BigDingus said:

Josh Allen was always said to be a "project" QB, with a raw skillset but the physical attributes and athleticism that made him worth drafting on potential alone. Great size & arm strength were constantly noted, as were accuracy issues.

 

On the other hand, Tyree Jackson is said to be the liked for the same reasons. Great size and athleticism, fantastic arm strength, but also inaccurate. They both also faced similar criticisms for facing inferior competition throughout their collegiate careers.

Josh Allen is 6'5 and 240 lbs.

Tyree Jackson is 6'7 and 249 lbs.

 

Josh Allen's hand size is 10 & 1/8 inches.

Tyree Jackson's hand size is 10 & 1/4 inches.

Josh Allen's arms measured at 33 & 1/4 inches.

Tyree Jackson's arms measured at 34 & 1/4 inches.

 

Josh Allen ran a 4.75 second 40 yard dash.

Tyree Jackson ran a 4.59 second 40 yard dash.

 

Josh Allen had a 33.5 inch vertical jump.

Tyree Jackson had a 34.5 inch vertical jump.

 

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So in terms of physical attributes, size & athleticism, they both are extremely similar in every way. Now to break down stats a bit:

Josh Allen's Completion Percentage his final season - 56.3%

Tyree Jackson's Completion Percentage his final season - 55.3%

 

Josh Allen's YPG his final season - 164.7 yards

Tyree Jackson's YPG his final season - 223.6 yards

 

Josh Allen had 16 TD's, averaging 1.45 TD's per game his final season. (28 TD's in 14 games the the prior season)

Tyree Jackson had 28 TD's, averaging 2.0 TD's per game his final season. (12 TD's in 8 games the prior season)

 

Josh Allen threw 6 INT's, averaging 0.54 INT's per game his final season (15 INT's, averaging 1.07 per game the prior season)

Tyree Jackson threw 12 INT's, averaging 0.85 INT's per game his final season (3 INT's, averaging 0.38 per game the prior season)

 

Josh Allen rushed for 204 yards on 92 carries, averaging 2.2 YPA his final season.

Tyree Jackson rushed for 161 yards on 55 carries, averaging 2.9 YPA his final season.

 

Josh Allen rushed for 5 TDs his final season (12 TD's in 2 seasons).

Tyree Jackson rushed for 7 TD's his final season (16 TD's in 3 seasons).

 

Josh Allen was 8-3 as a starter his final season, 8-6 the prior year.

Tyree Jackson was 10-4 as a starter his final season, 5-3 the prior year.

 

Josh Allen's Passer Rating his final season was 127.8, and 144.9 the prior year.

Tyree Jackson's Passer Rating his final season was 136.7, and 148.8 the prior year.

 

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Again, awfully similar in most every category. One of the only other factors to consider is whether you value playing in the MW Conference or the MAC more. Wyoming finished with a 4th overall W/L record at 8-5 in the MWC in 2017, with Allen not leading in a single statistical category in the conference.

 

Buffalo finished with a 1st overall W/L record at 10-4 in the MAC in 2018, with Jackson leading in several major statistical categories in the conference (Ex: Most Passing TD's and Most Passing Yards). He also finished the season as the MAC's Offensive Player of the Year.

 

Anyway... TL;DR - What differences between them were so huge that it lead to a gap in draft position as massive as A) being a top 10 pick in the 1st round and B) being passed over by everyone & signing as an Undrafted Rookie FA? I'm not saying Tyree is as good as Allen, and I'm not saying he's even worthy of being an NFL starter. I just can't see how one is worth the risk based on physical attributes & flashes of great talent, while the other has equally impressive physical attributes and also shows flashes of great talent.

I mean, at least he should be worth a pick in the 4th round based on where Allen was drafted right? At worst, a 5th or 6th rounder... Can you imagine if Josh Allen fell to the 5th or 6th, or simply went undrafted? "Intangibles" can be thrown around to fill in for whatever explanation that doesn't exist for such a weird difference in draft stock, but that should only cover so much. 

On the other hand, I don't know if Jackson had any legal troubles or character doubts that I haven't heard about, but from what I know there wasn't anything noteworthy. So how did one guy profit so much his physical skillset while the other was written off for a very similar one?

 

simple, because Tyree Jackson ignored all the advice to stay in school for on more year, not entirely realizing that few NFL teams had him on their radar last season, and that he was an average quarterback in a non-power conference playing for a team that was mostly run-oriented, making it difficult to gauge his potential after essentially one full season in which Buffalo lost its final two games and, without Anthony Johnson healthy, opened questions as to what was the cause of Jackson's inconsistencies, all but confirming reasons as to why he was so under-recruited coming out of high school.

 

other than that i'm sure you're lengthy post, which i failed to read, has all the other answers for it.

 

jw

 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Idk about every player 

 

every Scout I talk to had atleast a 4-6 round grade on Johnson... he was definitely the draftable player

 

thats just the nature of The  spread offense now... 5-10 good WRs go undrafted yearly and unfortunately he was 1

But the end result is he went undrafted like Allen’s one college receive and got invited to camp.  I think Allen had an olinemen and rb get drafted too. Their situations are really similar.  But as others have said, the height and release (possible the interviews) cost Jackson.  Besides the first 2 picks, this made me happy because they are settling on the qb position and this basically cost nothing.  And imo, he was the best developmental qb in the whole draft.

[Buffalo716]

31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But the end result is he went undrafted like Allen’s one college receive and got invited to camp.  I think Allen had an olinemen and rb get drafted too. Their situations are really similar.  But as others have said, the height and release (possible the interviews) cost Jackson.  Besides the first 2 picks, this made me happy because they are settling on the qb position and this basically cost nothing.  And imo, he was the best developmental qb in the whole draft.

Allen had 1 good lineman, 1 good WR and 1 good RB and TE over 2 years...

 

Jackson had 4 good lineman, 3-4 good RBs, a good TE, 2-3 good WRs and still struggled 

 

and the league will soon find out Anthony Johnson is better than Tanner Gentry from Wyoming

 

i said in November TJ3 was a 6-7 round pick at best. He is nothing like Allen as a QB and I like the kid

Edited April 30, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo716]

People also forget that when Jackson went down in 17... Drew Anderson stepped up and played better than Jackson ever did... he was totally a much more natural thrower of the football

 

Jackson wasn’t even the best QB on UB that year... then Anderson transferred and both wind up as UDFA QBs

 

Anderson is much more accurate than Jackson 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Idk about every player 

 

every Scout I talk to had atleast a 4-6 round grade on Johnson... he was definitely the draftable player

 

thats just the nature of The  spread offense now... 5-10 good WRs go undrafted yearly and unfortunately he was 1

 

What's your opinion of the two UDFA WR we did sign?

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What's your opinion of the two UDFA WR we did sign?

Big fan of Sills as an UDFA

 

i think he has great upside as a RZ target

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Big fan of Sills as an UDFA

 

i think he has great upside as a RZ target

 

Easley?

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Easley?

Hard working walk on. Slot guy.. don’t think he will make the roster but possibly PS

 

can learn behind Beasley

[Misterbluesky]

Brown just said McD had him throwing into the Lake Erie winds today...after a few softees..he was nailing everything with ease.