Pocohantes calls for impeachment hearings...

[The Senator]

12 hours ago, dubs said:

This woman is an embarrassment. It blows me away that people actually listen to her. She should be shunned, Dwight Schrute style. 

 

I think she pretty much IS shunned, outside The People’s Republic of Massachusetts!

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[dubs]

12 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

I think she pretty much IS shunned, outside The People’s Republic of Massachusetts!

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And the media. Well, the MSM anyway. 

[3rdnlng]

56 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

People just don't like it when it thinks it works against them.  For instance.........

 

 

But not for a republic, which for the umpteenth time is what we are.

[row_33]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

People just don't like it when it thinks it works against them.  For instance.........

 

 

 

Again with one line totally out of context from Trump to label his whole existence, you can do better than that...

 

Good thing the USA is a Republic, not a democracy

 

 

[Doc Brown]

47 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

But not for a republic, which for the umpteenth time is what we are.

We try to be.  On one side you have people calling for an end to the electoral college and the other side calling to repeal the 17th amendment.  Hopefully the latter prevails. 

5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Again with one line totally out of context from Trump to label his whole existence, you can do better than that...

 

Good thing the USA is a Republic, not a democracy

 

 

He thought Obama was going to lose the popular vote but win with the electoral college.  I took nothing out of context.

[row_33]

A democracy as a country means half of it sits on its ass and  gets paid monthly by the working class

 

 

 

Wait a minute.....

 

[transplantbillsfan]

20 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Pelosi's "he's not worth it" is the right tactic.  Impeachment talks backfired on Gingrich in the '98 midterms and she's well aware of that.  Dems that focused on the issues in the midterms (specifically healthcare) did well.  Most people have made their mind up on Trump already anyways and the Mueller Report won't change that.  Impeachment proceedings are pointless since you're not going to get close to enough Senators to throw him out of office.  Let the people decide in 2020.  

 

Well-reasoned post here. But things are a bit sad with politics these days.

 

Similar or even lesser offenses to what Trump was presented to do in the Mueller Report got Nixon out of office. 

 

This irrefutable Republican defense of Trump is part of what flipped the house in 2018. McConnell is smart... what's the game here? He doesn't want to lose all 3 branches to Democrats, but that's looking more likely if Democrats play their hand right.

 

Trump deserves impeachment, in my opinion.

 

But I hope Pelosi doesn't do it, largely for the reasons outlined here.

[Tommy Callahan]

impeachment is a legal preceding. So for what law exactly?

 

reads like she is banking on the ignorance of her base.

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

impeachment is a legal preceding. So for what law exactly?

 

reads like she is banking on the ignorance of her base.

The Mueller report indicated 10 specific instances where Trump's actions may constitute obstruction of justice.  This would be what the House Dems would use to impeach Trump.  It's a fruitless exercise like the Clinton impeachment was as there's zero chance you'll get 2/3rds of the Senate to vote to throw him out of office.

[Doc Brown]

31 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well-reasoned post here. But things are a bit sad with politics these days.

 

Similar or even lesser offenses to what Trump was presented to do in the Mueller Report got Nixon out of office. 

 

This irrefutable Republican defense of Trump is part of what flipped the house in 2018. McConnell is smart... what's the game here? He doesn't want to lose all 3 branches to Democrats, but that's looking more likely if Democrats play their hand right.

 

Trump deserves impeachment, in my opinion.

 

But I hope Pelosi doesn't do it, largely for the reasons outlined here.

I don't think he deserves impeachment because:

1.)  Trump did not collude with Russia.  Period.

2.)  Most of the obstruction allegations can be explained as ignorance about the limitations of the presidency and panicking by Trump.  

[dubs]

10 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Three-fifths of the states, and 70+ electoral college votes. 

 

The popular vote is not the margin of victory in presidential races.

 

How incredible that there are so many people out there that don’t understand how presidential elections work?

 

happy easter! ? 

[Keukasmallies]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If you ignore her interactions with Trump and the stupid DNA thing she has a history of fighting for the little guy.  She voted Republican in the 90's favoring free markets before recognizing the corruption between the elite political class (Republican and Democrat), Wall Street, corrupt bank executives, etc...that predated the '08 crash and why populists on the left and right gained all this traction recently.  I'm fine with her staying in the Senate, but she isn't the ideal candidate to run against Trump.

 

I'm fine with her just keeping her mouth shut.  Her manic babble is tiresome in extremis.

[SoCal Deek]

Warren has less than ZERO chance of being the Candidate let alone the President.  This is going to sound super un-PC but no one wants an angry old woman running the country. It’s just not going to happen. Next!

[Chef Jim]

36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Warren has less than ZERO chance of being the Candidate let alone the President.  This is going to sound super un-PC but no one wants an angry old woman running the country. It’s just not going to happen. Next!

 

Ummmmm....66,000,000 wanted an angry old woman running this country recently. 

[3rdnlng]

34 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ummmmm....66,000,000 wanted an angry old woman running this country recently. 

Too bad (for her) that as the most qualified person to ever run for the Presidency she didn't understand that the Electoral College is what decides who wins.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ummmmm....66,000,000 wanted an angry old woman running this country recently. 

 

They had no other choice 

 

64,000,000 voted as yellow dog Dems

 

 

[Wacka]

Heard Fauxahontas on the radio yesterday talking about Trump, Sounded like she was ready to cry.

[row_33]

Trump arrested yet?

 

 

Edited April 21, 2019 by row_33

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Warren has less than ZERO chance of being the Candidate let alone the President.  This is going to sound super un-PC but no one wants a scold running the country. It’s just not going to happen. Next!

FIFY

[row_33]

in an accounting firm life, I have known a dozen Hillary's and a dozen Trump models, I would elect the Trump to be a President or managing partner (local and regional) every time and the HIllary to be a due diligence partner or head up the accounts receivable department

 

 

 

[KD in CA]

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

They had no other choice 

 

64,000,000 voted as yellow dog Dems

 

 

 

This is mostly true....you didn't see anyone fired up about her.  People were fired up about Slick Willy. Obama. Bernie. Hitlery?  No, not even a little.  Other than the standard yellow dog block she got a small group who was horrified by Trump. That's it. That's "What Happened".

 

Likewise, no one is fired up by Pocohantes.  Bernie? Yes.  Mayor Pete? Probably.  Cammie? Doubtful.  But not Pocohantes.  She's an amateur, whinier version of Hillary. 

[row_33]

16 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

This is mostly true....you didn't see anyone fired up about her.  People were fired up about Slick Willy. Obama. Bernie. Hitlery?  No, not even a little.  Other than the standard yellow dog block she got a small group who was horrified by Trump. That's it. That's "What Happened".

 

Likewise, no one is fired up by Pocohantes.  Bernie? Yes.  Mayor Pete? Probably.  Cammie? Doubtful.  But not Pocohantes.  She's an amateur, whinier version of Hillary. 

 

Slick and Obama were perfect for the type of national figure the Dems hope for, they were the only two since JFK... that's a lot years in between....

 

I knew that Slick and Obama were dangerous the first time i saw them on TV.... I thought "shoot, they have someone now"

 

It's only been 2 times since I started watching your politics in 1972

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

16 hours ago, row_33 said:

in an accounting firm life, I have known a dozen Hillary's and a dozen Trump models, I would elect the Trump to be a President or managing partner (local and regional) every time and the HIllary to be a due diligence partner or head up the accounts receivable department

 

 

 

Very well said. And pretty much the same can be said for the latest crop of democratic hopefuls. 

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Very well said. And pretty much the same can be said for the latest crop of democratic hopefuls. 

 

they make McGovern and Dukakis look like Imperial American Presidential Timber

 

 

[Bob in Mich]

I don't think an impeachment would remove the president because of the enablers in the Senate.  So, should the Dems move toward impeaching in the House?  It may not be best for the Democratic party but I would vote 'yes' as I think it is necessary for the country moving forward.

 

Why?  Because otherwise Trump will claim, like he has done with his taxes and his affairs, that the American people now know everything that he has done and that they are just fine with it all.  He will continue to try to interfere in investigations of himself, his family, and his businesses and will continue to appoint political stooges to protect himself.  Going forward Trump will claim that Mueller says that this type of interference is not an issue.  I imagine here, most are just fine with that

[IDBillzFan]

7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

I don't think an impeachment would remove the president because of the enablers in the Senate.  So, should the Dems move toward impeaching in the House?  It may not be best for the Democratic party but I would vote 'yes' as I think it is necessary for the country moving forward.

 

Why?  Because otherwise Trump will claim, like he has done with his taxes and his affairs, that the American people now know everything that he has done and that they are just fine with it all.  He will continue to try to interfere in investigations of himself, his family, and his businesses and will continue to appoint political stooges to protect himself.  Going forward Trump will claim that Mueller says that this type of interference is not an issue.  I imagine here, most are just fine with that

 

It stunning to me that anyone thinks trying to impeach Trump is a good idea, let alone doing it based on the concept that even though he was fully cleared of collusion, it's a good idea anyway because we don't want people to think he didn't do something.

 

Trying to impeach Trump heading into the 2020 elections would be the dumbest thing the left could do since thinking Hillary was a good candidate.

 

It's such a bad idea, I'd actually donate money to the cause. But that would mean taking away from my donations to AOC's re-election.

 

Choices. Choices.

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2019 by LABillzFan

[Gavin in Va Beach]

Politics has addled her mind. She was once somewhat reasonable. Another year and she'll be institutionalized. 

[Bob in Mich]

13 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

It stunning to me that anyone thinks trying to impeach Trump is a good idea, let alone doing it based on the concept that even though he was fully cleared of collusion, it's a good idea anyway because we don't want people to think he didn't do something.

 

Trying to impeach Trump heading into the 2020 elections would be the dumbest thing the left could do since thinking Hillary was a good candidate.

 

It's such a bad idea, I'd actually donate money to the cause. But that would mean taking away from my donations to AOC's re-election.

 

Choices. Choices.

 

 

 

 

Well, you may be right that it is a bad idea for the Dems.  Then again, the Dems taking advice from you may not be the best idea either. 

 

Without any further sanction, what will prevent Trump from claiming that his actions were just fine with the American people?  We have seen this before.  If he feels cleared, do you really think he will stop interfering with the remaining investigations?  He is still shouting 'No obstruction', essentially claiming he did nothing improper.

Edited April 22, 2019 by Bob in Mich

[Magox]

She also is now pushing to pay for $50,000 worth of debt for each college student that is estimated to cost over $1.2 Trillion over the next 10 years.

 

She backs the green deal.

 

She is proposing Universal pre school care.

 

She backs Medicare-for-all.

 

You couldn't confiscate the wealth from the rich and still pay for these proposals.

 

 

 

 

Ever since her Pocahontas gaffe she's been struggling and has been unable to get any traction in the polls.   Now she's swinging for the fences, it comes off as pretty desperate.

[Cinga]

19 hours ago, row_33 said:

in an accounting firm life, I have known a dozen Hillary's and a dozen Trump models, I would elect the Trump to be a President or managing partner (local and regional) every time and the HIllary to be a due diligence partner or head up the accounts receivable department

 

 

 

You've got to be kidding, Hillary in accounts receivable? 

 

"One for you, and 10 for me.... One for you, 10 for me"

[IDBillzFan]

33 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Well, you may be right that it is a bad idea for the Dems.  Then again, the Dems taking advice from you may not be the best idea either. 

 

Without any further sanction, what will prevent Trump from claiming that his actions were just fine with the American people?  We have seen this before.  If he feels cleared, do you really think he will stop interfering with the remaining investigations?  He is still shouting 'No obstruction', essentially claiming he did nothing improper.

 

My advice for the Dems is simple: stick to their current message, which is:

• Impeach Trump
• New Green Deal
• Open Borders
• Socialism
• Reparations

Follow my advice to 2020 success.

[Joe Miner]

4 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

My advice for the Dems is simple: stick to their current message, which is:

• Impeach Trump
• New Green Deal
• Open Borders
• Socialism
• Reparations

Follow my advice to 2020 success.

 

You forgot backing infanticide, 16 year old voting, and doing away with the electoral college.

[Bob in Mich]

11 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

My advice for the Dems is simple: stick to their current message, which is:

• Impeach Trump
• New Green Deal
• Open Borders
• Socialism
• Reparations

Follow my advice to 2020 success.

 

Funny.

 

But the real question is, who will check Trump going forward if all of his previous obstructive behavior is deemed OK ?  Do you think that without further sanction, he will change his ways and stop interfering?  Are you OK with future actions that are similar to the 11 incidents described in the Meuller report?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

She was once somewhat reasonable.

 

When was that, exactly?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

21 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Funny.

 

But the real question is, who will check Trump going forward if all of his previous obstructive behavior is deemed OK ?  Do you think that without further sanction, he will change his ways and stop interfering?  Are you OK with future actions that are similar to the 11 incidents described in the Meuller report?

 

It's HILARIOUS you've moved from "he's a traitor" to "obstructive behavior". 

 

Sad to see. 

[3rdnlng]

43 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Funny.

 

But the real question is, who will check Trump going forward if all of his previous obstructive behavior is deemed OK ?  Do you think that without further sanction, he will change his ways and stop interfering?  Are you OK with future actions that are similar to the 11 incidents described in the Meuller report?

I could have come up with those 11 laughable (maybe I'll try this, or that) conjectures in an afternoon and charged a lot less than 35 million dollars. My God, man they even tried to say that Trump might be obstructing justice by denying any wrongdoing.

[Deranged Rhino]

8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I could have come up with those 11 laughable (maybe I'll try this, or that) conjectures in an afternoon and charged a lot less than 35 million dollars. My God, man they even tried to say that Trump might be obstructing justice by denying any wrongdoing.

 

I'd add to that and say not only could you have done it faster and for far less than 35 million, you'd also provide better sourced conjectures than what they came up with.

[3rdnlng]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'd add to that and say not only could you have done it faster and for far less than 35 million, you'd also provide better sourced conjectures than what they came up with.

I thought that went without saying.

[DC Tom]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I could have come up with those 11 laughable (maybe I'll try this, or that) conjectures in an afternoon and charged a lot less than 35 million dollars. My God, man they even tried to say that Trump might be obstructing justice by denying any wrongdoing.

 

Considering at least a third of them are "tried but failed," I can probably come up with a lot more.

 

Hell, considering that one of them was "Trump protesting his innocence," there's arguably hundreds more.

[IDBillzFan]

10 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Funny.

 

But the real question is, who will check Trump going forward if all of his previous obstructive behavior is deemed OK ?  Do you think that without further sanction, he will change his ways and stop interfering?  Are you OK with future actions that are similar to the 11 incidents described in the Meuller report?

 

First of all, it's not funny. It's literally what the Dem 2020 candidates talk about. And yes, @Joe Miner is correct; I totally forgot about late term abortions.

 

Second, do you honestly and genuinely believe going after Trump is going to force him and others to behave better?  It's so far out of our reach it's not even funny.