We finally have a RB visiting OBD pre-draft: Mr. Miles Sanders, Penn State (update: Darrell Henderson too)

[mrags]

39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Sanders is one of the few RBs on my short list, and he is among the top of my list though.  I would honestly not be upset if we took him at 40, although I do not expect us to do that based on who else will likely be on the board, and the fact I think 40 is a pick we most likely trade UP from to land another coveted player.    

 

My thoughts on what may transpire this draft:  I think we likely stay put at 9, then could do one or multiple trade ups with our picks in rounds 2, 3, 4, and 5.  For example, I can easily see us (and kind of expect us to) trade up from #40 to get someone like Fant, Harry, Simmons, etc (obviously depending on who we took at 9 too).  I could then see Beane trade up a 2nd time to either get back into the 2nd, or move up in the 3rd to land another coveted player like maybe Sanders.  

 

We have 7 picks in first 5 rounds, I have a feeling we will end up selecting just 4 players in that range with Beane doing some maneuvering.  I can easily see those players being in no particular order a DT, WR, TE, RB.  OL could also factor in if there is a guy they covet at the right spot, but I am not sold they invest early on OL with so many FA signings.  I think we have enough to enter the season confident in a significant improvement.  Any weakness that remains throughout the seasons can be plugged next offseason. 

Give me a trade back from 9 to the teens and get Wilkins. Then get me a trade up back into the 1st to get Fant. And I’m, a pig in....

 

love what hat that would look like. 

 

Then lobe the the thought of trading back into the 2nd and then back into the 3rd. Get me Ferguson or Tillery in the 2nd and then Sanders in the 3rd. If that cannot happen, get L.J. Scott in the 4th. 

[Just Joshin']

3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Very interesting. Going to watch his Youtube highlights and come back within 5 mins and form a totally educated opinion.

It has been more than 5 minutes please advise.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

It has been more than 5 minutes please advise.

He’s seeking medical attention 

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

He’s projected between the 4th and 6th rounds. Personally I’d pass on a RB until round 4 and take this kid. I can’t get enough of watching his highlights. I really think this kid is going to be good. Assuming he’s in the right situation. 

 

Heres another monster that I want. He’s a 7th round guy or possibly Undrafted.

 

 

One thing is for sure, we have to get younger at RB. 

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:

One thing is for sure, we have to get younger at RB. 

Yup. That’s why I’d take these 2 kids. Would look pretty good going forward. 

 

Patrick has a chip on his shoulder too after not being invited to the combine 

[billsfan_34]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Yup. That’s why I’d take these 2 kids. Would look pretty good going forward. 

 

Patrick has a chip on his shoulder too after not being invited to the combine 

I would be ok taking a second RB rounds 6/7

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

 

Last time a touted RB named Sanders was drafted he became an all time great HOFer.

 

He also sat behind another NFL great before he had his chance to shine.

 

Coincidence? I think not......

[Solomon Grundy]

5 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Dont know anything about him- any good? 

 

Edit- found this- reminds me of a more powerful Shady

 

YES!!!!!

[billsfan_34]

4 minutes ago, the skycap said:

YES!!!!!

Lets get him ?

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Last time a touted RB named Sanders was drafted he became an all time great HOFer.

 

He also sat behind another NFL great before he had his chance to shine.

 

Coincidence? I think not......

Was last years Penn St RB named Thomas? I must have missed that 

[Solomon Grundy]

Listen, my dream first 3 picks for the Bills in this draft are:

1) DK Metcalf: big bodied, deep threat, contested ball type wideout

2) Jeffery Simmons: dominant interior lineman. 

3) Miles Sanders: home run hitting RB. Shady like. Tutelage from Gore/Shady

 

Metcalf and Sanders can be impact players to pair with Allen. Simmons when healthy was top 5 player in college.

3 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

OK.  I copied and pasted from PFF.  I like Montgomery a lot based on his style of running.  Balance through contact and he makes it hurt to tackle him.  He is a chains mover and that's what I want the running game to be.   Sanders shows similar traits although there is a fumbling problem mentioned.  This is the first site I've seen to have these guys 2/3.

 

2. RB DAVID MONTGOMERY, IOWA STATE

Montgomery broke the PFF record with 100 broken tackles on 258 carries this past season.

3. RB MILES SANDERS, PENN STATE

Sanders needs to get his fumbling problem cleaned up (five this year), but he picked up right where Saquon left off for the Nittany Lions.

 

As for taking a talented, rehabbing player such as Love, I think it would be a smart use of a late round pick to get him for essentially a red shirt year.  We have been discussing how the Bills don't have spots on their 2019 roster for 10 picks and that would be another way around the problem.  So, we have use late round picks to move up, convert them to 2020 picks, use one on a red shirting player or draft a punter to compete for that job.

Sanders have more tread on tires

[billsbackto81]

21 minutes ago, mrags said:

Was last years Penn St RB named Thomas? I must have missed that 

Wow man! Just wow!

 

Can't get one by you. At least you got the Thomas connection?

 

It's lite humor dude, wasn't meant to be seriously accurate, but Bravo anyway?

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Wow man! Just wow!

 

Can't get one by you. At least you got the Thomas connection?

 

It's lite humor dude, wasn't meant to be seriously accurate, but Bravo anyway?

All in fun my friend. 

 

I like Sanders. He’s just not my favorite. Especially when my guy can be had 1-3 rounds later than Sanders. 

[billsbackto81]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

All in fun my friend. 

 

I like Sanders. He’s just not my favorite. Especially when my guy can be had 1-3 rounds later than Sanders. 

?All good.

 

Sanders looks like he could be something special if not a very competent starter. 

 

Patrick looks to be a short yardage chain mover, goal line type back. Tough to bring down, decent vision but looks to lack long speed. But you're right, wouldn't be mad if we got him in the 6th or later.

[Carbonpoke]

Nico Evans, Wyoming RB, missed three games, still rushed for 1200 yards on 200 carries, average yards per carry 6.5.  Great value.  Not alot of highlights.  Was leading the nation in yards until he pulled his hammy against Washington St.  

 

Very good in pass pro.  Knows Josh well.  Plays in the cold.  Hard worker and very humble.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

?All good.

 

Sanders looks like he could be something special if not a very competent starter. 

 

Patrick looks to be a short yardage chain mover, goal line type back. Tough to bring down, decent vision but looks to lack long speed. But you're right, wouldn't be mad if we got him in the 6th or later.

Patrick was a 2nd RB I wanted late. My guy is LJ Scott from Michigan St. dudes a beast. 

 

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

3 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Listen, my dream first 3 picks for the Bills in this draft are:

1) DK Metcalf: big bodied, deep threat, contested ball type wideout

2) Jeffery Simmons: dominant interior lineman. 

3) Miles Sanders: home run hitting RB. Shady like. Tutelage from Gore/Shady

 

Metcalf and Sanders can be impact players to pair with Allen. Simmons when healthy was top 5 player in college.

Sanders have more tread on tires

That's ok. Sanders may be perfect.  I prefer RBs that get what's there plus a consistent extra.  I don't appreciate the McCoy/Barry Sanders home run hitting dancers nearly as much as most do.  Too many bad run plays that lose yards and can kill a drive.  Robb Riddick is an under the radar favorite of mine, and I saw James Conner much the same way.  Blitz pickup, some plus as a receiver, grind out tough yards in tough situations, consistently beat tacklers for extra yardage, move-the-chains and secure the ball.  Yeah, fumbles matter too.  Montgomery had almost 700 touches with only 3 fumbles.

 

Whoever they do draft will not get much of a work load in 2019 and can be eased into the offense.  I think the right guy can be had in the 3rd round and it would be nice to get an extra pick there to do it   

[billsbackto81]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

Patrick was a 2nd RB I wanted late. My guy is LJ Scott from Michigan St. dudes a beast. 

 

 

Impressive. I can see the comparisons to Bell. Very patient, waits for the blocks to develop. Good speed also. Think he'd be rated higher, what gives?

[QuoteTheRaven83]

This draft is ridiculously deep at RB. I'd be happy with Miles, Jacobs, Henderson, Snell, take your pick. I like a bunch of RBs this year. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Impressive. I can see the comparisons to Bell. Very patient, waits for the blocks to develop. Good speed also. Think he'd be rated higher, what gives?

He’s horrible! A complete slug. Sorry mrags. He got progressively worse his whole career and off-field stuff too. Peaked as a freshman. 

Edited April 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Miles Sanders is the RB I want most out of this draft. He is not Saquon but that is ok. He is plenty good enough. He saved himself a lot of “miles” by being behind Saquon and he will be a beast in the NFL. Imagine having him behind two hall of famers for a year!

Omg, we have a whorlnut sighting....how ya been?

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Omg, we have a whorlnut sighting....how ya been?

Been good my man. How about you?

[mrags]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s horrible! A complete slug. Sorry mrags. He got progressively worse his whole career and off-field stuff too. Peaked as a freshman. 

I’ll take my chances with him 

[Rockinon]

I'm down. He even has hurdle move in that vid!

[YoloinOhio]

28 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’ll take my chances with him 

As a UDFA! 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

As a UDFA! 

If he doesn’t get drafted, I’ll gladly buy you a drink 

[ndirish1978]

Darrell Henderson is visiting today too, just fyi

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Darrell Henderson is visiting today too, just fyi

At least it’s clear they are looking at the position. That’s definitely a good thing. 

[Scorp83]

8 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Dont know anything about him- any good? 

 

Edit- found this- reminds me of a more powerful Shady

 

See I'm from Philly... when I tell you...he's a poor Man's Saquan... I'm not just talkin ish! Dude is a beast! He would have broken every record at PSU if it wasn't for Saquan. He's literally the best RB in this draft. 

 

If we can trade back with the Redskins...

 

Get 15 & draft AJ Brown

2nd Rd get Irv Smith Jr.

Gain an extra 3rd & get Miles Sanders

& the best OL on the board with the other 3rd rd pick... this draft would be an A+++

????

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

As a UDFA! 

He could get drafted I guess. I’m just saying I wouldnt take a chance on him unless it was as a UDFA. That’s just me. 

[billsfan_34]

18 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

See I'm from Philly... when I tell you...he's a poor Man's Saquan... I'm not just talkin ish! Dude is a beast! He would have broken every record at PSU if it wasn't for Saquan. He's literally the best RB in this draft. 

 

If we can trade back with the Redskins...

 

Get 15 & draft AJ Brown

2nd Rd get Irv Smith Jr.

Gain an extra 3rd & get Miles Sanders

& the best OL on the board with the other 3rd rd pick... this draft would be an A+++

????

I am all for that! 

[OldTimer1960]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not a lot of tread on the tires, either 

I think it is not a lot of tread off the tires.  Not a lot of tread on the tires implies that the tires are worn out.

[BigBuff423]

18 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

See I'm from Philly... when I tell you...he's a poor Man's Saquan... I'm not just talkin ish! Dude is a beast! He would have broken every record at PSU if it wasn't for Saquan. He's literally the best RB in this draft. 

 

If we can trade back with the Redskins...

 

Get 15 & draft AJ Brown

2nd Rd get Irv Smith Jr.

Gain an extra 3rd & get Miles Sanders

& the best OL on the board with the other 3rd rd pick... this draft would be an A+++

????

The only issue I see with that scenario is almost entirely Offense in the first 3 rounds and the teeth of this Draft in the early rounds is Defense. So, in your example if 15 were a LB or DT, and the other 3rd is the one not selected in the 1st I’m good with that. Because LB / DT is a sneaky need for the Bills, IMO. And a good WR can be had in the 4th; Offenses no longer rely on a traditional #1 WR and given the Bills’ WR additions, I don’t see the Draft being a priority for them in that area.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think it is not a lot of tread off the tires.  Not a lot of tread on the tires implies that the tires are worn out.

We established this morning that I’m an idiot. But thanks for the reminder for the PM crowd. :)

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

We established this morning that I’m an idiot. But thanks for the reminder for the PM crowd. :)

No harm meant.  I like your posts

[CaptnCoke11]

He’ll be over drafted because of Barkley 

[YoloinOhio]

Never mind - more RBs coming now

 

 

[Scorp83]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

The only issue I see with that scenario is almost entirely Offense in the first 3 rounds and the teeth of this Draft in the early rounds is Defense. So, in your example if 15 were a LB or DT, and the other 3rd is the one not selected in the 1st I’m good with that. Because LB / DT is a sneaky need for the Bills, IMO. And a good WR can be had in the 4th; Offenses no longer rely on a traditional #1 WR and given the Bills’ WR additions, I don’t see the Draft being a priority for them in that area.

What is your biggest investment on this team right now??

 

 

 

 

Josh Allen correct???

 

 

Our weapons were beyond disgusting last year!!! So disgusting...it will allow most to think Beasley & John Brown will actually scare top tier defenses. I'm sorry...its an upgrade from last year...but last year weapons was so awfully eye burning, these upgrades Only tell us how behind we were. Brown & Beasley doesn't scare anyone. Their solid options but only if you have someone for defenses to put more focus on.

 

AJ Brown is in a different stratosphere then what you can get in the 3rd or 4th rd of this draft. Josh Allen...is our main concern. His weapons NEED to be on point this year or else... we're not serious about winning & wasting his development. 

 

You can get a DL in the 3rd or 4th Rd that will be able to contribute still...that position is that deep! I'd rather them take a AJ Brown, a Irv Smith & a Miles Sanders because all 3 has SUPERSTAR potential & will grow with our biggest investment on our team...& literally make our team extremely better by 2020. 

Edited April 11, 2019 by Scorp83
Typo

[FeelingOnYouboty]

16 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

It has been more than 5 minutes please advise.

 

I still like Darrell Henderson and Devine Ozigbo a tad more but I like a lot to his game and he has no tread on his tires.

[BigBuff423]

9 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

What is your biggest investment on this team right now??

 

 

 

 

Josh Allen correct???

 

 

Our weapons were beyond disgusting last year!!! So disgusting...it will allow most to think Beasley & John Brown will actually scare top tier defenses. I'm sorry...its an upgrade from last year...but last year weapons was so awfully eye burning, these upgrades Only tell us how behind we were. Brown & Beasley doesn't scare anyone. Their solid options but only if you have someone for defenses to put more focus on.

 

AJ Brown is in a different stratosphere then what you can get in the 3rd or 4th rd of this draft. Josh Allen...is our main concern. His weapons NEED to be on point this year or else... we're not serious about winning & wasting his development. 

 

You can get a DL in the 3rd or 4th Rd that will be able to contribute still...that position is that deep! I'd rather them take a AJ Brown, a Irv Smith & a Miles Sanders because all 3 has SUPERSTAR potential & will grow with our biggest investment on our team...& literally make our team extremely better by 2020. 

 

First, there needs to be a qualification of which WRs were "disgusting". For example, Foster was a part of PFF's Elite ranking and Zay Jones' second half of the year when Josh started to put it together was respectable. 

Zay Jones' Numbers in the second half of the season: Rec: 31 (of 56 total) Yards: 371 (of 652 total or 57%) TDs: 6 (of 7 total)

 

Now, none of these numbers are incredible or great, but he came on when Josh Allen did (big surprise) and those second half numbers include a Jax game where he was targeted 1 time with 0 receptions. And that was a game-plan vs. Defense thing for the most part so putting those numbers in context shows improvement while Josh was improving. That means, it wasn't just "him" as a WR it was the whole Offense. Meaning, before you lump Foster and Z. Jones in with Kelvin-I'd rather be eating - Benjamin and the others who were NOT good, there should be some examination of information and what most of us saw with our eyes even without stats: the second half of the year showed a much different Offense as a whole and a significantly improved Josh Allen especially in the final 4 games. 

 

This should be encouraging to you and I hope it is...furthermore, when you add in Brown and Beasely and who knows what they get in the Duke kid from the CFL, putting a 1st round stake in a WR to me, is unwise. WRs in today's NFL do not carry the value above replacement level worthy of a 1st round pick. 

 

Segue into the second point about "what you can get in the 3rd or 4th round of this draft", you might want to re-think that. From Antonio Brown being a 6th round pick to Doug Baldwin being a 5th round pick, to our very own UDFA Robert Foster, a 1st round WR does not a star make. In fact, I could (and would) argue that investing in the Offensive line the way the Bills have thus far, and maybe Drafting a RT of the future would do more for the passing game than adding any WR prior to the 3rd round. I know we're probably going to disagree, so I won't belabor the point but I felt like this was all worth saying. Go Bills!