plenzmd1 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Kevin Massare. He has (or had) a Bills podcast and had some inside sources with the old regime. Road Sodas thing is a really old joke about something he posted and the nickname stuck argh okay, it is not his handle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Meh, I have been to Lucas Oil a couple of times it might just be the fan base but it is a very quiet stadium, like being in church. Really not to exciting architecturally either. I am planning to go to Jerry World for the Thanksgiving game so maybe that will provide the excitement DNA of this stadium. Having said that if this is true it is really awesome news because it truly and finally solidifies our long term future in WNY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Leonhart2017 said: Meh, I have been to Lucas Oil a couple of times it might just be the fan base but it is a very quiet stadium, like being in church. Really not to exciting architecturally either. I am planning to go to Jerry World for the Thanksgiving game so maybe that will provide the excitement DNA of this stadium. Having said that if this is true it is really awesome news because it truly and finally solidifies our long term future in WNY. Their fan base is still somewhat of a wine and cheese crowd (that’s what i call people who go to the game to be seen and sit on their hands except for at the wrong times)* They were spoiled by the Peyton Manning years and it’s largely a basketball and racing city. * they have to put up on the Jumbotron for the fans to be quiet when the colts are on offense because they have no idea what to do I haven’t been to every stadium but Lucas Oil is darn near perfect imo Edited June 21, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Their fan base is still somewhat of a wine and cheese crowd (that’s what i call people who go to the game to be seen and sit on their hands except for at the wrong times)* They were spoiled by the Peyton Manning years and it’s largely a basketball and racing city. * they have to put up on the Jumbotron for the fans to be quiet when the colts are on offense because they have no idea what to do I haven’t been to every stadium but Lucas Oil is darn near perfect imo There should be some kind of remedial “Football Fan 101” class they need to take and pass a short test before being allowed to purchase tickets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I thought they weren't even expecting to be done with the surveys and studies until the end of summer. I find it hard to believe they would have a solid plan before that was all done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 It would be nice somewhere along the new waterfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I have to think that (if this is true) it is retractable. I know Lucas Oil’s is. Is Jerry World retractable? ...Lucas Oil Stadium would be a good model...built in 2008 for $720 mil which is roughly $842 mil today.....Jurrah's mausoleum does have a retractable roof, was built in 2009 for $1.3 billion which is $1.52 billion today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So....wait....all the dots were pointing out east! What am I going to do with all that land I bought??? ? (Someone had to do it.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: So....wait....all the dots were pointing out east! What am I going to do with all that land I bought??? ? ...sell it to Dunkirk Don??............ (Someone had to do it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) Its gonna be an absolute disaster if they move downtown. Every bit of familiarity, as well as hospitality and history, will be destroyed. Keep it where it is! Buy the college land across the street if you must build new, but keep it in O.P! Pray this is not true. And for Christ's sake...no damn dome Edited June 21, 2019 by BuffAlone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Its gonna be an absolute disaster if they move downtown. Every bit of familiarity, as well as hospitality and history, will be destroyed. Keep it where it is! Buy the college land across the street if you must build new, but keep it in O.P! Pray this is not true. And for Christ's sake...no damn dome ...could see downtown being an infrastructure nightmare.......probably talking billions in Fed funds to overhaul traffic flow....and they would be ready by 2038.....imagine leaving a downtown Bills game in October at 4PM versus the inflow of Sabres fans for a 7PM game?....hell, you'd probably miss Thanksgiving dinner with the in-laws... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Pegulaville?!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Its gonna be an absolute disaster if they move downtown. Every bit of familiarity, as well as hospitality and history, will be destroyed. Keep it where it is! Buy the college land across the street if you must build new, but keep it in O.P! Pray this is not true. And for Christ's sake...no damn dome Pegula seems very much committed to the idea of modernizing and leaving the past in the past. A downtown stadium would be different and the tailgating aspect would be dramatically altered. But just like all the recent stadiums built in cities "comparable" to Buffalo, the gameday experience is what you make of it. Different isn't always bad. The days long outdoor party would be gone, but fans would find a way to replace it IMO. I've loved the atmosphere for each game I've attended in OP; but I'm willing to see what they come up with downtown before casting judgement. At the end of the day, the number 1 draw for me personally is watching the Bills play football. Edited June 21, 2019 by LSHMEAB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: It would be nice somewhere along the new waterfront. Oh heck no. Sure it's nice for the opener and a few games. But by late November it's ice tsunamis! I smell ?. I do think the Pegulas will build downtown but not a retractable roof and definitely not a Jerruh-style Taj Mahal. Look at Vikings US Bank Stadium as the template. Fixed glass roof with sides that open up for air flow. 65K max capacity. 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: Its gonna be an absolute disaster if they move downtown. Every bit of familiarity, as well as hospitality and history, will be destroyed. Keep it where it is! Buy the college land across the street if you must build new, but keep it in O.P! Pray this is not true. And for Christ's sake...no damn dome Yes roof. No one really wants to freeze in December. There is no more home field weather advantage. 49 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...could see downtown being an infrastructure nightmare.......probably talking billions in Fed funds to overhaul traffic flow....and they would be ready by 2038.....imagine leaving a downtown Bills game in October at 4PM versus the inflow of Sabres fans for a 7PM game?....hell, you'd probably miss Thanksgiving dinner with the in-laws... And yet other cities manage. What makes Buffalo so different? Relax. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: So....wait....all the dots were pointing out east! What am I going to do with all that land I bought??? ? Will you take $100/acre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Pegula seems very much committed to the idea of modernizing and leaving the past in the past. A downtown stadium would be different and the tailgating aspect would be dramatically altered. But just like all the recent stadiums built in cities "comparable" to Buffalo, the gameday experience is what you make of it. Different isn't always bad. The days long outdoor party would be gone, but fans would find a way to replace it IMO. I've loved the atmosphere for each game I've attended in OP; but I'm willing to see what they come up with downtown before casting judgement. At the end of the day, the number 1 draw for me personally is watching the Bills play football. I understand your point. But tailgating at the Bills game, at a historic and storied venue, would be over. Period. At the end of the day, its the EXPERIANCE that is the number one draw for me. And...a dome? Bad, costly, ill advised moved imo. There's one thing that separates us from the rest of the league...separation.difference.some other way of living besides the mass amounts of cash being spent. Its really a unique thing. Not unlike Green Bay. Please, if we move...do NOT build a dome.The facilities and weather are as much a part of this storied franchise as Jim Kelly, Andre, Bruce, Thurman, Jack, Cookie, OJ, etc. Would be a poor decision. IMHO. I hope it don't happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said: Meh, I have been to Lucas Oil a couple of times it might just be the fan base but it is a very quiet stadium, like being in church. Really not to exciting architecturally either. I am planning to go to Jerry World for the Thanksgiving game so maybe that will provide the excitement DNA of this stadium. Having said that if this is true it is really awesome news because it truly and finally solidifies our long term future in WNY. This is big picture thinking. I have a feeling the Pegulas are getting the squeeze from higher up. Buffalo doesn't need to add itself to a list that includes San Diego, Saint Louis and Oakland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Well...I just like the location. It would be such a big part of the resurgence down town. Something to compliment Canalside...find a way to get around the weather...might lose the weather advantage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Oh heck no. Sure it's nice for the opener and a few games. But by late November it's ice tsunamis! I smell ?. I do think the Pegulas will build downtown but not a retractable roof and definitely not a Jerruh-style Taj Mahal. Look at Vikings US Bank Stadium as the template. Fixed glass roof with sides that open up for air flow. 65K max capacity. Yes roof. No one really wants to freeze in December. There is no more home field weather advantage. And yet other cities manage. What makes Buffalo so different? Relax. gimme a break. It's BUFFALO IN DECEMBER!! Its part of ALL OF US. NFL included! If that's the case, then I want an air cooled stadium in Miami until December of every year. And hot cheese in Green Bay every winter. And maybe take Mile High stadium down hill 3 thousand feet while your at it?? P.S. Promo.....if you got seasons for sale, let me know. I'll be more than happy to take them off your hands Edited June 21, 2019 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, sodbuster said: I thought they weren't even expecting to be done with the surveys and studies until the end of summer. I find it hard to believe they would have a solid plan before that was all done. Agreed. A no-name guy tweets something on a Friday afternoon? Not buying anything he's selling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Been saying it for years. Pegula, by himself or with the help of other investors looking to make a buck downtown will fully fund the stadium downtown. Pegula, Rich, Galisano, Jacobs, Any property management group liken Ciminelli or Paladino, etc. They will receive funding for new infrastructure from the Town, City, State, Fed governments. Im talking highways, subway system that goes beyond Main Street. Stops in the northtowns as far as Amherst, Williamsville, UB North Campus, possibly even Tonawanda, Grand Island, and even Niagara Falls. Stops at the airport, Galleria mall/Millenium hotel area, the 90/290 split, the 90 at transit rd. The south towns leading to Hamburg/OP. If anyone has beef to Baltimore, you have seen the “tailgate” tents set up along the one side of the stadium. You can rent tents for personal tailgate parties. They come with tent, cooking equipment, fenced off areas, etc. then there’s multiple large tents for the masses. That’s basically what you are going to see. It’s a no brainer for the NFL and the owners. It ensures that you are spending your money at THEIR tailgate parties. Not people that bring cooking equipment and coolers of beer and don’t drop a dime to the NFL or the Buffalo Bills. It’s a smart investment on their part. Plus the NFL and the Bills want to distance themselves from the stupidity in the private lots. Lets face it, we look like a bunch of idiots that get super wasted. Drink beer out of asscracks, jump off roofs of buses into flaming tables. Cover ourselves with ketchup and mustard, etc. you are all delusional if you don’t think the NFL and the Team doesn’t want to distance themselves from that kind of action. So, on to the building of the stadium. It’ll end up being something like Lucas Oil but more fancy. I haven’t been to Minnesota but I’d imagine something like that. It will have shopping and restaurants everywhere and not only be a destination for game day but even when the team isn’t playing. Similar to how Kraft has worked it within Gillette (another place I haven’t been). I’d imagine it will also be built with or alongside more hotels for even more money in the Pegulas pockets. You have to understand that they aren’t looking for 18-25 year olds getting wasted and buying $30 tickets. They are looking for serious money and serious visitors. I have a buddy that works with a large construction company and he has confirmed that the Pegulas have met with, and continue to meet on a regular basis with this company along with others involved in regards to building the stadium. I’m not going to name names because this is privileged information. But the company is very large and known for building multiple professional stadiums and they are looking to work with some local resources as well. Some of this info is factual and some of it is my opinion. Well all see within a few years (7years or less) I imagine. Time will tell. 20 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: I understand your point. But tailgating at the Bills game, at a historic and storied venue, would be over. Period. At the end of the day, its the EXPERIANCE that is the number one draw for me. And...a dome? Bad, costly, ill advised moved imo. There's one thing that separates us from the rest of the league...separation.difference.some other way of living besides the mass amounts of cash being spent. Its really a unique thing. Not unlike Green Bay. Please, if we move...do NOT build a dome.The facilities and weather are as much a part of this storied franchise as Jim Kelly, Andre, Bruce, Thurman, Jack, Cookie, OJ, etc. Would be a poor decision. IMHO. I hope it don't happen I hope your wrong and hope it does happen. I’d love to go to a game in December or January in jeans and a sweatshirt and be comfortable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, mrags said: Been saying it for years. Pegula, by himself or with the help of other investors looking to make a buck downtown will fully fund the stadium downtown. Pegula, Rich, Galisano, Jacobs, Any property management group liken Ciminelli or Paladino, etc. They will receive funding for new infrastructure from the Town, City, State, Fed governments. Im talking highways, subway system that goes beyond Main Street. Stops in the northtowns as far as Amherst, Williamsville, UB North Campus, possibly even Tonawanda, Grand Island, and even Niagara Falls. Stops at the airport, Galleria mall/Millenium hotel area, the 90/290 split, the 90 at transit rd. The south towns leading to Hamburg/OP. If anyone has beef to Baltimore, you have seen the “tailgate” tents set up along the one side of the stadium. You can rent tents for personal tailgate parties. They come with tent, cooking equipment, fenced off areas, etc. then there’s multiple large tents for the masses. That’s basically what you are going to see. It’s a no brainer for the NFL and the owners. It ensures that you are spending your money at THEIR tailgate parties. Not people that bring cooking equipment and coolers of beer and don’t drop a dime to the NFL or the Buffalo Bills. It’s a smart investment on their part. Plus the NFL and the Bills want to distance themselves from the stupidity in the private lots. Lets face it, we look like a bunch of idiots that get super wasted. Drink beer out of asscracks, jump off roofs of buses into flaming tables. Cover ourselves with ketchup and mustard, etc. you are all delusional if you don’t think the NFL and the Team doesn’t want to distance themselves from that kind of action. So, on to the building of the stadium. It’ll end up being something like Lucas Oil but more fancy. I haven’t been to Minnesota but I’d imagine something like that. It will have shopping and restaurants everywhere and not only be a destination for game day but even when the team isn’t playing. Similar to how Kraft has worked it within Gillette (another place I haven’t been). I’d imagine it will also be built with or alongside more hotels for even more money in the Pegulas pockets. You have to understand that they aren’t looking for 18-25 year olds getting wasted and buying $30 tickets. They are looking for serious money and serious visitors. I have a buddy that works with a large construction company and he has confirmed that the Pegulas have met with, and continue to meet on a regular basis with this company along with others involved in regards to building the stadium. I’m not going to name names because this is privileged information. But the company is very large and known for building multiple professional stadiums and they are looking to work with some local resources as well. Some of this info is factual and some of it is my opinion. Well all see within a few years (7years or less) I imagine. Time will tell. No.simply put. Terry wants to stay put. And upgrade out of his own pocket. Its by far his best bet in the long run to make a financial gain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: No.simply put. Terry wants to stay put. And upgrade out of his own pocket. Its by far his best bet in the long run to make a financial gain Well, I guess we’ll find out sooner or later. I’d be willing to bet you a beer at a corporate tailgate sometime that I’m more right than you are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, mrags said: Been saying it for years. Pegula, by himself or with the help of other investors looking to make a buck downtown will fully fund the stadium downtown. Pegula, Rich, Galisano, Jacobs, Any property management group liken Ciminelli or Paladino, etc. They will receive funding for new infrastructure from the Town, City, State, Fed governments. Im talking highways, subway system that goes beyond Main Street. Stops in the northtowns as far as Amherst, Williamsville, UB North Campus, possibly even Tonawanda, Grand Island, and even Niagara Falls. Stops at the airport, Galleria mall/Millenium hotel area, the 90/290 split, the 90 at transit rd. The south towns leading to Hamburg/OP. If anyone has beef to Baltimore, you have seen the “tailgate” tents set up along the one side of the stadium. You can rent tents for personal tailgate parties. They come with tent, cooking equipment, fenced off areas, etc. then there’s multiple large tents for the masses. That’s basically what you are going to see. It’s a no brainer for the NFL and the owners. It ensures that you are spending your money at THEIR tailgate parties. Not people that bring cooking equipment and coolers of beer and don’t drop a dime to the NFL or the Buffalo Bills. It’s a smart investment on their part. Plus the NFL and the Bills want to distance themselves from the stupidity in the private lots. Lets face it, we look like a bunch of idiots that get super wasted. Drink beer out of asscracks, jump off roofs of buses into flaming tables. Cover ourselves with ketchup and mustard, etc. you are all delusional if you don’t think the NFL and the Team doesn’t want to distance themselves from that kind of action. So, on to the building of the stadium. It’ll end up being something like Lucas Oil but more fancy. I haven’t been to Minnesota but I’d imagine something like that. It will have shopping and restaurants everywhere and not only be a destination for game day but even when the team isn’t playing. Similar to how Kraft has worked it within Gillette (another place I haven’t been). I’d imagine it will also be built with or alongside more hotels for even more money in the Pegulas pockets. You have to understand that they aren’t looking for 18-25 year olds getting wasted and buying $30 tickets. They are looking for serious money and serious visitors. I have a buddy that works with a large construction company and he has confirmed that the Pegulas have met with, and continue to meet on a regular basis with this company along with others involved in regards to building the stadium. I’m not going to name names because this is privileged information. But the company is very large and known for building multiple professional stadiums and they are looking to work with some local resources as well. Some of this info is factual and some of it is my opinion. Well all see within a few years (7years or less) I imagine. Time will tell. I hope your wrong and hope it does happen. I’d love to go to a game in December or January in jeans and a sweatshirt and be comfortable. Garbage idea. Sorry to be so blunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: Garbage idea. Sorry to be so blunt Have fun being pissed off about it when it happens. I know, your 24 year old mind can’t take the thought of not jumping through tables every Sunday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, mrags said: Have fun being pissed off about it when it happens. I know, your 24 year old mind can’t take the thought of not jumping through tables every Sunday. I'm 44. Been there, done that buddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I smell ?. MAYBE get off the forums and grab a shower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: I'm 44. Been there, done that buddy K pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, mrags said: K pal You can call me "lunch pail", not "k pal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: You can call me "lunch pail", not "k pal" K pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, mrags said: K pal So, we disagree and you insist on being a dick? Nice to meet you, millennial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: So, we disagree and you insist on being a dick? Nice to meet you, millennial K pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, mrags said: K pal You funny. But if you think you can get personal over a stadium with me, you still got some growing up to do. Be well, buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: But tailgating at the Bills game, at a historic and storied venue, would be over. Dude? A historic and storied venue? Common man. Sure, we love it, but it's a pile of concrete. Wrigley is historic and storied, Fenway, Lambeau, Dodger. That's about all I can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, mrags said: K pal I'm not your pal, buddy! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Cripple Creek said: Dude? A historic and storied venue? Common man. Sure, we love it, but it's a pile of concrete. Wrigley is historic and storied, Fenway, Lambeau, Dodger. That's about all I can come up with. So was Green Bay, KC,etc. There's room for improvement where it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: I'm not your pal, buddy! k bub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: You funny. But if you think you can get personal over a stadium with me, you still got some growing up to do. Be well, buddy K pal. Keep thinking your super sweet. I know, your drunk uncle probably still tells stories of how they used to bring in grills and kegs of beer into the Rockpile as long as you bought a ticket for them. I wonder how how he would have felt about them moving back dowtown now. I wonder how he felt when they moved to OP in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, BuffAlone said: So was Green Bay, KC,etc. There's room for improvement where it is Green Bay is Lambeau. KC? it's an updated Rich. Nothing iconic or historic about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: k bub I'm not your bub, guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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