Greybeard Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I wonder if Nick Perkins from the UB basketball team would be a good TE. He probably would be available as an undrafted FA. I think he is worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I think he could be but there is very little chance of that coming to fruition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Meh, I want a premier guy like Hock! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Meh, I want a premier guy like Hock! Should change your name to SherHock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 ....so we waste our time on a POTENTIAL convert with TE talent abound in tihs draft?.........perfect logic......SMH..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....so we waste our time on a POTENTIAL convert with TE talent abound in tihs draft?.........perfect logic......SMH..... This wasn't about displacing anyone in the regular draft. This was about does the guy have the talent to succeed and if so take a shot with him as a FA. Like they did with Jason Peters. Don't know how you managed to read anything else into it. ...SMH... I don't know if he has plans to try to be an NBA player but thought maybe someone from the Buffalo area might have heard something with respect to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Should change your name to SherHock. Sherhock Lolmes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Sherhock Lolmes. I like him, just not at 9. With the players that will likely be there. I hope we got some bad scouting departments in need of QBs picking before us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Greybeard said: This wasn't about displacing anyone in the regular draft. This was about does the guy have the talent to succeed and if so take a shot with him as a FA. Like they did with Jason Peters. Don't know how you managed to read anything else into it. ...SMH... I don't know if he has plans to try to be an NBA player but thought maybe someone from the Buffalo area might have heard something with respect to that. ...I would venture to say apples to oranges...Peters was ALREADY in football and made the conversion...same for George Wilson from WR to safety.....we're talking a transition from college BB to NFL TE......how is that the same in your view?....just askin'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: I like him, just not at 9. With the players that will likely be there. I hope we got some bad scouting departments in need of QBs picking before us. I can't justify a TE that high. I wanted the Bills to draft Coby Fleener way back when. That would have been a mistake. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: I can't justify a TE that high. I wanted the Bills to draft Coby Fleener way back when. That would have been a mistake. You would have to know for a fact he was gonna be like Gronk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I assume the Bills will want 4 TEs on the 53 man roster, and they want to be able to play any one of them. That rules out a newbie basketball to football convert. However, if they like the guy and it works out, there's no reason he couldn't be signed and stashed away on the PS for a year to learn how to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I’d rather have Zion Williamson. It’s been true for decades that all the great TEs are in the NBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Meh, I want a premier guy like Hock! Exactly, if we're going to draft a TE it might as well be a compelling guy. I'm tired of all the mediocre TE's we've had since Metzelaars. And Pete was no Gronk.... Edited March 23, 2019 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted March 23, 2019 Author Share Posted March 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I would venture to say apples to oranges...Peters was ALREADY in football and made the conversion...same for George Wilson from WR to safety.....we're talking a transition from college BB to NFL TE......how is that the same in your view?....just askin'..... In my view it was not the same, but since I don't know if any other basketball player has made the transition, I chose a comparison I could make, although I understood it was not the best. In the Peters case, it turned out to be a great player but even a decent starter out of free agency is good. I believe other basketball players have been drafted but I have no recall on how any of them worked out. My question was a simple, is the guy possibly good enough to make it and if he had no other plans, I thought it was worth the risk as an undrafted FA. The fact that he was playing for UB made it a little bit more interesting. When if comes to drafting guys and changing position, the best change of position in Bills history would be Robert James. When it comes to players making the team, I agree it is a long shot for someone not in the sport to make it. A much longer shot than someone already in the sport. I have always been of the opinion that even those players most fans think are bums have accomplished quite a bit. They have made it in a league against the very best. Even is they do so for only one year. If they do it for more than that, more power to them. And that holds for any pro sport. So, if we were talking odds, yes the odds are very long anyone not already playing in a sport can make it. Interesting how, in some posts, this has drifted into the who to fill the TE position with. It was never meant to be that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Greybeard said: In my view it was not the same, but since I don't know if any other basketball player has made the transition I don't know enough about Perkins to comment on his potential to transition to football, but it strikes me as odd that you'd start this thread and not be familiar with Antonio Gates. Almost certainly nothing to see here, but it has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Ex Golden Griffin, Chris Manhertz has made 2 NFC south rosters... (NO, CAR)... -OBD saw the talent, but couldn't do a damn thing with it... Heck, they've been lousy at developing TE's for years now... (Gragg, Chandler, O'Leary, Croom) -I say go out and draft a real TE, and then hope like heck his talent outpaces the inferior coaching he's sure to receive. Edited March 23, 2019 by #34fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, #34fan said: Ex Golden Griffin, Chris Manhertz has made 2 NFC south rosters... (NO, CAR)... -OBD saw the talent, but couldn't do a damn thing with it... Heck, they've been lousy at developing TE's for years now... (Gragg, Chandler, O'Leary, Croom) -I say go out and draft a real TE, and then hope like heck his talent outpaces the inferior coaching he's sure to receive. Neither could they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Neither could they. Is that why CAR just re-upped him for two years? Manhertz is a very good blocking TE, and effective decoy... He's also money for the odd trick play... Few teams keep totally useless players on their active roster (like the Bills do.) Manhertz has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, #34fan said: Is that why CAR just re-upped him for two years? Manhertz is a very good blocking TE, and effective decoy... He's also money for the odd trick play... Few teams keep totally useless players on their active roster (like the Bills do.) Manhertz has value. He's strictly a "reliable" blocking TE at this point. I wouldn't say the Bills missed-out on a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, #34fan said: Ex Golden Griffin, Chris Manhertz has made 2 NFC south rosters... (NO, CAR)... -OBD saw the talent, but couldn't do a damn thing with it... Heck, they've been lousy at developing TE's for years now... (Gragg, Chandler, O'Leary, Croom) -I say go out and draft a real TE, and then hope like heck his talent outpaces the inferior coaching he's sure to receive. He has a career at this point. He’s like 5 years in or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....so we waste our time on a POTENTIAL convert with TE talent abound in tihs draft?.........perfect logic......SMH..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: He's strictly a "reliable" blocking TE at this point. I wouldn't say the Bills missed-out on a whole lot. I can't say how much they missed, but they sure as hell missed something... You cut a non-football player after a tryout period and that's supposed to be "the end." Clearly with Manhertz, it wasn't... Someone turned that potential into real value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Greybeard said: This wasn't about displacing anyone in the regular draft. This was about does the guy have the talent to succeed and if so take a shot with him as a FA. Like they did with Jason Peters. Don't know how you managed to read anything else into it. ...SMH... I don't know if he has plans to try to be an NBA player but thought maybe someone from the Buffalo area might have heard something with respect to that. Nice indenting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, #34fan said: I can't say how much they missed, but they sure as hell missed something... You cut a non-football player after a tryout period and that's supposed to be "the end." Clearly with Manhertz, it wasn't... Someone turned that potential into real value. The Saints had him on their practice squad for the 2015 season and then the active roster to start the 2016 season. They released him after a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Doc said: The Saints had him on their practice squad for the 2015 season and then the active roster to start the 2016 season. They released him after a few games. Only to be claimed off waivers the next day by CAR... (he didn't clear waivers as Saints thought he would.) Since then he's played in 39 games for the Panthers who, recalling the Saints error, locked him up to a 2-year deal before he could enter free agency in '19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Perk has gotten looks from NBA scouts along with Massenberg. He might be busy Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Perk has gotten looks from NBA scouts along with Massenberg. He might be busy Sundays. Yeah these UB kids are a little different than what we usually produce. These kids are professional basketball players. They can go to Europe and make a couple million without expenses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, #34fan said: Only to be claimed off waivers the next day by CAR... (he didn't clear waivers as Saints thought he would.) Since then he's played in 39 games for the Panthers who, recalling the Saints error, locked him up to a 2-year deal before he could enter free agency in '19. Friend of yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Perk has gotten looks from NBA scouts along with Massenberg. He might be busy Sundays. Perhaps with yardwork.. Even if he does make an NFL PS, there are still long odds he'll be called up to an active roster. There are just a few pro teams that bet measurably on TE's... Colts could be a nice spot to develop... Eagles.... Seahawks... Might just want to stick to hoops... NFL TE is a tough market for those who are good at it, never mind those who aren't. 16 minutes ago, Doc said: Friend of yours? I like his story. I also think he's a damn good blocker. Edited March 23, 2019 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Charles Barkley at TE & MJ at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I like him, just not at 9. With the players that will likely be there. I hope we got some bad scouting departments in need of QBs picking before us. There always are... Bosa is within reach and so is Hockenson. I have a pipedream for both but we know that'll never occur? Therefore a tradedown for Hock is a must. 4 hours ago, Doc said: I can't justify a TE that high. I wanted the Bills to draft Coby Fleener way back when. That would have been a mistake. Fleener was good but not great. Luck obviously made him look amazing in college and NFL at times. Thats why you go get the best talent. Luck in that draft and Bosa then Hock in this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah these UB kids are a little different than what we usually produce. These kids are professional basketball players. They can go to Europe and make a couple million without expenses. They are a REALLY nice team, but I'll definitely be rooting for them against Texas Tech for selfish reasons. Go blue.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 BIG ATHLETIC BASKETBALL PLAYERRRRR....MUST MAKE HIM TIGHT ENDDDDDD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: You would have to know for a fact he was gonna be like Gronk. And even then, if you missed an elite talent at a few other positions it’d still be the wrong choice - just sting less. 8 hours ago, Greybeard said: I wonder if Nick Perkins from the UB basketball team would be a good TE. He probably would be available as an undrafted FA. I think he is worth a shot. If he played at San Antonio state would you still pick him out of all the bball players or is it really the buffalo connection? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: And even then, if you missed an elite talent at a few other positions it’d still be the wrong choice - just sting less. I could see that. But Gronk has been a thorn in the side of NE opponents for a long time. The only one worse is Edelman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: I could see that. But Gronk has been a thorn in the side of NE opponents for a long time. The only one worse is Edelman. He has. But I bet you’d take Julio Jones, aj Green Calvin Johnson type receivers before him. They are are just more impactful on the defensive game plan than a TE is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NoSaint said: He has. But I bet you’d take Julio Jones, aj Green Calvin Johnson type receivers before him. They are are just more impactful on the defensive game plan than a TE is. I would but could argue some of those are a headache. Its all irrelevant though because I would take Aaron Donald, Fletcher Cox or Khalil Mack over all of them. Edited March 24, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 15 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: BIG ATHLETIC BASKETBALL PLAYERRRRR....MUST MAKE HIM TIGHT ENDDDDDD.... I don't know about Perkins, but there are a lot of athletic basketball players who measure around 6'4" & 240-250. The ones who played HS football are the one who should be targeted as possible free agent signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I think I'd be more interested in Tacko Fall from UCF. At 7'6" he'd make a helluva goal line weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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