oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'd like to see a G or edge guy still brought in. But with remaining dollars I'd like to see some extensions, in particular for Hyde and Poyer. They make an excellent tandem and extending them now would be a move that would help keep our D solid. I'd even consider doing Tradaveous or Milano now. Certainly nextyear though on them given they'll have around 100 million in space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Hyde is under contract for THREE more years, Poyer for two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I'd like to see a G or edge guy still brought in. But with remaining dollars I'd like to see some extensions, in particular for Hyde and Poyer. They make an excellent tandem and extending them now would be a move that would help keep our D solid. I'd even consider doing Tradaveous or Milano now. Certainly nextyear though on them given they'll have around 100 million in space We have this left this year: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Hyde is under contract for THREE more years, Poyer for two. I though Hyde was two. I would still consider it though. Those two make a great tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I'd like to see a G or edge guy still brought in. But with remaining dollars I'd like to see some extensions, in particular for Hyde and Poyer. They make an excellent tandem and extending them now would be a move that would help keep our D solid. I'd even consider doing Tradaveous or Milano now. Certainly nextyear though on them given they'll have around 100 million in space Like you said they have close to 100 next year. They can get some people done next year that need to be done. imho Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Good points from folks here. Isn't it nice they can look forward to having the $$ to keep guys? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Perk71 said: Like you said they have close to 100 next year. They can get some people done next year that need to be done. imho Go Bills! For 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: We have this left this year: Just an FYI that Spotrac doesn't currently have the contract details for Gore, Kevin Johnson, or Ty Nsekhe, so those guys aren't included in that $45M total. So the real total leftover is less. It also doesn't account for the approximately $9M needed to sign our draft picks (as currently projected by Spotrac), and whatever other money we'd want to carry over into next year for signing guys mid-season as guys get hurt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I wouldn't extend White until his contract is up. I wouldn't extend Milano until his rookie contract is up. No sense in paying more for a player you don't have too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdamit Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 i would like to see if i can over pay on some one year deals for a dt or an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tommy said: Just an FYI that Spotrac doesn't currently have the contract details for Gore, Kevin Johnson, or Ty Nsekhe, so those guys aren't included in that $45M total. So the real total leftover is less. It also doesn't account for the approximately $9M needed to sign our draft picks (as currently projected by Spotrac), and whatever other money we'd want to carry over into next year for signing guys mid-season as guys get hurt. Correct - Just trying to keep a running total going. He is adding them little by little Edited March 12, 2019 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I though Hyde was two. I would still consider it though. Those two make a great tandem. Nope 3. Why would you extend him now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, White Linen said: Nope 3. Why would you extend him now? I just think he's the linchpin. But yeah with three years you can wait. Definitely next year tthoughthough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I wouldn't extend White until his contract is up. I wouldn't extend Milano until his rookie contract is up. No sense in paying more for a player you don't have too. There's a couple reasons you'd sign White early. However , it's a year early, so I wouldn't consider it until next year. One is, reward a player that has out performed his rookie contract and protect against him playing careful in his final year. Second is, while you'd have to calculate the difference in re-newing his contract vs his rookie contract pay a year early, you'd likely pay less per year vs waiting. 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I just think he's the linchpin. But yeah with three years you can wait. Definitely next year tthoughthough Next year? Absolutely not and it's not even a discussion, they will not do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: There's a couple reasons you'd sign White early. However , it's a year early, so I wouldn't consider it until next year. One is, reward a player that has out performed his rookie contract and protect against him playing careful in his final year. Second is, while you'd have to calculate the difference in re-newing his contract vs his rookie contract pay a year early, you'd likely pay less per year vs waiting. Next year? Absolutely not and it's not even a discussion, they will not do that. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven&nine Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Rookie contracts cannot be extended until after their third year. So White and Milano can't even begin negotiations until next off-season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Why not? Because it's not good business. He's under contract and it's a fair contract - so he won't be a hold out or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We are actually in a position where extensions do not need to be paid out......but I fully expect them to roll a large portion of this cap over..... This was the whole point of the dead cap crap sandwich was to get our cap under control and KEEP it under control. 10 draft picks upcoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Why not? How many players in the NFL that are not superstars can you name that have been signed to extensions with 2-3 years remaining on their contract. It really doesn't happen and we would be giving money and cap space away for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, Perk71 said: Like you said they have close to 100 next year. They can get some people done next year that need to be done. imho Go Bills! It’s whY I think we grab another G, and can focus on other things in the draft. Fun off season. With the bank we have next year, 2020 could be fun if these guys are smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tommy said: Just an FYI that Spotrac doesn't currently have the contract details for Gore, Kevin Johnson, or Ty Nsekhe, so those guys aren't included in that $45M total. So the real total leftover is less. It also doesn't account for the approximately $9M needed to sign our draft picks (as currently projected by Spotrac), and whatever other money we'd want to carry over into next year for signing guys mid-season as guys get hurt. So I'm estimating $13Mil for those three guys so lets say $32Mil left... Think they will want to keep $20Mil up their sleeve... So if they like Ziggy Ansah that might just about be it for FA? Further O line upgrades will need to happen in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I'd like to see a G or edge guy still brought in. But with remaining dollars I'd like to see some extensions, in particular for Hyde and Poyer. They make an excellent tandem and extending them now would be a move that would help keep our D solid. I'd even consider doing Tradaveous or Milano now. Certainly nextyear though on them given they'll have around 100 million in space What are you talking about? Extending Someone would have ZERO effect on the cap this year. An extension is a contract in a future year. Unless they are ripping up thr current contract and giving out a new one but why would they do that now? This post makes no sense on really any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I'd like to see a G or edge guy still brought in. But with remaining dollars I'd like to see some extensions, in particular for Hyde and Poyer. They make an excellent tandem and extending them now would be a move that would help keep our D solid. I'd even consider doing Tradaveous or Milano now. Certainly nextyear though on them given they'll have around 100 million in space I don't think Milano or Tre can't extend till after next season. I would like to see some 1yr deals now for players like Ansah or someone else of his caliber. They have good yrs and we lose them we can start getting comp pks. Edited March 12, 2019 by BillsFan1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: So I'm estimating $13Mil for those three guys so lets say $32Mil left... Think they will want to keep $20Mil up their sleeve... So if they like Ziggy Ansah that might just about be it for FA? Further O line upgrades will need to happen in the draft... I don't love Ansah. However, I'd love to see him come in on a 1 year prove it deal. This way it gives us some flexibility to make some decisions on him, Shaq and Murphy. Then we pick the best combo of what we want (if any) beyond next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I wouldn't extend White until his contract is up. I wouldn't extend Milano until his rookie contract is up. No sense in paying more for a player you don't have too. White is a first round pick so ok, but Milano is grossly underpaid so they should reward him after his 3rd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: So I'm estimating $13Mil for those three guys so lets say $32Mil left... Think they will want to keep $20Mil up their sleeve... So if they like Ziggy Ansah that might just about be it for FA? Further O line upgrades will need to happen in the draft... Would still like to see Darryl Williams.......I would call it a day after Ziggy and Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: Would still like to see Darryl Williams.......I would call it a day after Ziggy and Darryl I would like that too, but they wont be able to squeeze them both in if the numbers earlier in the thread are correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Aussie Joe said: I would like that too, but they wont be able to squeeze them both in if the numbers earlier in the thread are correct... Then give me Darryl WIlliams if I have to choose between the two 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Good points from folks here. Isn't it nice they can look forward to having the $$ to keep guys? ...have not been in that position for a long, LONG time......wasn't it a couple of years ago where we had 23 UFA's because of the one year signings overload?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: What are you talking about? Extending Someone would have ZERO effect on the cap this year. An extension is a contract in a future year. Unless they are ripping up thr current contract and giving out a new one but why would they do that now? This post makes no sense on really any level. As OBD has $$ this year and next they may selectively take a proven player - say Jerry Hughes - and extend his agreement for 3 more years by basically writing a new 4 year deal that starts now with lots of upfront $$ in guaranteed $$. This would not be signing bonus as that would prorate out over 4 years and count against the cap. Make years 3 and 4 be minimal guaranteed or prorated $ and we could walk away after 2020 and we pay him when we have spare coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, freddyjj said: As OBD has $$ this year and next they may selectively take a proven player - say Jerry Hughes - and extend his agreement for 3 more years by basically writing a new 4 year deal that starts now with lots of upfront $$ in guaranteed $$. This would not be signing bonus as that would prorate out over 4 years and count against the cap. Make years 3 and 4 be minimal guaranteed or prorated $ and we could walk away after 2020 and we pay him when we have spare coin I like Hughes and I'll say he hasn't had a whole lot of help. However he's been slightly over paid for his production and I'd like to leave it where we sit right now. Now if he starts of strong, would I give him an extension, sure. I don't see the need at this moment - in fact he's, IMO, someone that the decision to extend him isn't answered yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Appreciate the input. Got some education in capology from some here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Watkins90 said: I wouldn't extend White until his contract is up. I wouldn't extend Milano until his rookie contract is up. No sense in paying more for a player you don't have too. Yes, there is. It offers a long term assurance and security that they'll be retained. Additionally it allows you to front load a contract while you have the extra money and leave less guarenteed money on the table down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Let's extend Josh Allen he only has 4 years left on his deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: White is a first round pick so ok, but Milano is grossly underpaid so they should reward him after his 3rd season. After the draft Milano will be Least important player on defense and the easiest to replace via the draft. If they can get him at a reasonable price then sure go ahead and extend him. But the more important positions to spend money on will be Hughes or Hughes replacement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: After the draft Milano will be Least important player on defense and the easiest to replace via the draft. If they can get him at a reasonable price then sure go ahead and extend him. But the more important positions to spend money on will be Hughes or Hughes replacement . All Milano does is makes plays. He led the league in takeaways before getting injured. He was the number 2 graded LB in the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Yes, there is. It offers a long term assurance and security that they'll be retained. Additionally it allows you to front load a contract while you have the extra money and leave less guarenteed money on the table down the road. If the front office does their job that should never matter because we should always have money. You don't pay players more now because you are afraid you'll lose them in two years. It's just not good cap strategy. You won't be able to keep all the homegrown talent anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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