billsfan_34 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: really? Keep Poyer.....because he's cheap? This FO has tons of cash that would not force them to stick with a mediocrity like Jordan Poyer. Poyer is better than mediocre- pretty damn solid safety in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Disagree with that. Poyer is very good in coverage. He misses the odd tackle but his coverage skills when the ball is in the air are excellent. I don't think he is mediocre. Not at all. 100 percent agreed. Out of all the holes the Bills have, Poyer is not one of them. Has some flaws but overall is a pretty descent football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I personally like where we are at with our safety duo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I would like to know if ******* thinks if this is interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) As much as I love Landon Collins and would LOVE to see the Bills add him...you're talking about probably THE top free agent on the market outside of Le'Veon Bell. Collins is going to get paid CRAZY money. He'll be the highest paid safety in the league. When I think of "judicious spending", making Landon Collins the highest paid safety in NFL history when you already have two very good safeties in their prime doesn't exactly make sense. I'd love it, believe me, but it ain't happening. Oh, and one more thing: Letting a 3-time Pro Bowl safety entering his prime walk away for nothing when you could keep him on your roster for a mere $11 million, and doing this WHILE paying the ghost of Eli Manning $23 million is absolute roster malpractice. Gettelman is a clown. Edited March 6, 2019 by Logic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Thoughts? I say why not? Upgrade from Poyer, nice match with Hyde. I say keep all 3 go big nickel 80% of snaps. This would give us the ability to be better against what teams are doing these days with all the short quick passing gms. Plus we still can stop the run with these guys out there I say this gives us a massive advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Why not get better? Poyer is soft. His idea of "open field tackle" is getting stiff armed to the ground by WRs and RBs. Why waste a load of money on at best a marginal upgrade when we have massive roster holes. A big no from me. 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Why not get far more physical in the secondary? I don't understand the downside. Collins can't cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 9 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think you better compare the stat lines and look again. The massive upgrade is in name recognition only. Poyer should have made the Probowl the last 2 years, not Collins. This. Don't really understand the hate on Poyer. He was the best safety on the team last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 11 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think you better compare the stat lines and look again. The massive upgrade is in name recognition only. Poyer should have made the Probowl the last 2 years, not Collins. Who is Poyer better than? Derwin James? Eric Weddle? Come on.... 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Collins to me is a similar situation to Mosely. Collins is a hitter. A physical tone setter at safety. But that isn't what people pay the big $$s for a safety these days. You have to be able to cover 1 on 1 and play the ball and take it away. The last two years Collins has defended 10 passes and had 4 INTs (Poyer has defended 19 passes and had 9 INTs for reference). That total lack of production in the critical elements of modern day safety play from Collins is why he is being allowed to walk. Teams still need to cover the run, especially with more mobile QBs. Collins may have had a down year, but he's still a stopper. He's consistently ranked as a top safety. 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: This. Don't really understand the hate on Poyer. He was the best safety on the team last year. Other than Micah Hyde...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 No way should we even worry about upgrading at safety. That's the second to last position on the team that needs to be addressed (first is QB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I think it depends what he’s looking for... if he is looking for a massive 60-70 million dollar deal I’d pass if he is willing to play on a 2 year deal for 16 million or so I’d be game Collins will be looking for that kind of deal, but the FA market at safety is pretty crowded this year and there aren't a lot of guys that get big money at that position regardless of market. That said he's the best at the position on the market and someone may well cough up a big contract for him. I doubt it'll be us, as nice as having him would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I'm perfectly fine with Poyer. Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 13 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Collins can’t cover. He’s really good at the line of scrimmage. Exactly, Giants didn't keep him for that reason (and the high $$$). He's great against the run, gets exposed playing zone coverage. We'd be worse off in pass coverage replacing Poyer. He'd be great if we played in a division with monster running backs trying to stuff it down our throat, but AFCE is pretty pass happy and has poor running games. And the Giants don't even want him to help stuff the Cowboys running game.. 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: This. Don't really understand the hate on Poyer. He was the best safety on the team last year. We'd be downgrading in pass coverage replacing Poyer. Better against the run sure.. but let's get that done in the front 7. I love our secondary unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Who is Poyer better than? Derwin James? Eric Weddle? Come on.... Teams still need to cover the run, especially with more mobile QBs. Collins may have had a down year, but he's still a stopper. He's consistently ranked as a top safety. Other than Micah Hyde...? Hyde was fine last year. Poyer was better. They are both good safeties. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 15 hours ago, WMDman said: if it aint broke dont fix it Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 hours ago, MJS said: No way should we even worry about upgrading at safety. That's the second to last position on the team that needs to be addressed (first is QB). I mean I really like our safetys too but I don’t even think a team should stop trying to upgrade. I mean it would be silly to throw big money at Collins but he is a really good player. It’s weird the Giants are letting him walk for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: really? Keep Poyer.....because he's cheap? This FO has tons of cash that would not force them to stick with a mediocrity like Jordan Poyer. Wait so all of a sudden we dont like Poyer? whaaaaaaat I have a better idea......since there is NOTHING wrong with Jordon Poyer how about we spend out dollars and draft picks on places that we are NOT good at Like OL Pass Rush TE Wide Receiver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Hyde was fine last year. Poyer was better. They are both good safeties. No way. PFF has him ranked #45 for safeties and Hyde #6. 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Wait so all of a sudden we dont like Poyer? whaaaaaaat I have a better idea......since there is NOTHING wrong with Jordon Poyer how about we spend out dollars and draft picks on places that we are NOT good at Like OL Pass Rush TE Wide Receiver By taking a guy like Collins, you don't wipe out the ability to strengthen those other positions too....... Edited March 6, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: No way. By taking a guy like Collins, you don't wipe out the ability to strengthen those other positions too....... If you are simply saying that a "in the box safety" would benefit the defense......I agree with you and would have a place on the team Poyer and Hyde have been one of the top safety tandems in the league.....there really is no disputing that. The problem really is resource allocation we are so bad at some other positions and are in a position now to get better I am not sure how much sense it makes getting a "name" for a lot of dollars (and saying this I dont know what Collins would even cost) At this moment in time our OL is horrid our best WR is a undrafted free agent that got put on the practice squad last year we have no starting TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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