Clemfield2622 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, offyourocker said: How can the Rams be getting picks. They signed so many free agents last year Players who are cut by their previous team do not count in the formula. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Two 3rd round picks seems extreme. Especially since the players they lost aren't really that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 We got nothing the year after we lost Gilmore, correct? I know he signed the most lucrative contract of of any free agent that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: Eventually, when done right, this will be us. Current coach and GM cost the team a 3rd round pick last year. They will be significant buyers in FA this year and probably next. So they will not sniff a comp pick for at least two or three more years. Will that matter? Who knows. They have ten picks mostly in the low rounds this year. They have enough picks to draft for depth, trade for higher picks this year or next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: That is the majority yes, but there is a reason it is called a "formula" and no one knows for certain what teams will be awarded what picks. If it was striclt a net contract value thing, these things would be known "with certainty" ...and thats not the case I’d guess all GMs could peg 30+ out of 32 picks dead on with just a little variation on the exact dollar values between rounds or the edge of who qualifies. heck, there are websites that hit on roughly that accuracy 3 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said: We got nothing the year after we lost Gilmore, correct? I know he signed the most lucrative contract of of any free agent that year. The net number of qualifying players is the first threshold. We signed too many to be eligible for being awarded 3 hours ago, offyourocker said: How can the Rams be getting picks. They signed so many free agents last year How many were cut by their previous team? Or did they trade for? Anyone that wasn’t an expiring contract for their previous team doesn’t count. 7 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Its not based on awards or playing time, every year people bring this up and it’s not true if you look at the history of comp picks The Rams got 2 3rd round picks solely because they had a net lose in FAs and Trumaine Johnson(who was terrible this year) signed a contract with an AAV of 14.5 million a season and Sammy Watkins ( who was average) to over 15 mill AAV. It’s based on Players lost vs players gained. Then based on AAV and comparing and crossing out equal salaries. Yup. Using AAV there have been sites hitting near 100% accuracy using the same the AAV method you described with an estimated escalator based on roughly where the estimated cut was the year prior before the free agents ever play a down on the new team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 The Pats should lose all of their comp picks due to Kraft's comp picks in Jupiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, offyourocker said: How can the Rams be getting picks. They signed so many free agents last year Actually they didn’t at all. They didn’t sign 1 qualifying FA. They traded for Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib, and Brandin Cooks. They did sign Nickell Robey Coleman, Suh, and Sam Shields but they were all cut by the Bills, Dolphins, and Packers so they didn’t count against the formula. They also signed Cooks, Gurley, and Donald to extensions so that might seem why they were in your mindset more. On the flip flop side they lost Trumaine Johnson, Sammy Watkins, Cody Davis, and Derek Carrier making them eligible for 4 comp picks. They received 3 as Carrier fell below the AAV Salary required to obtain the 4th one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) Why does the NFL award compensatory picks again? I'm not sure I understand the benefit to the league or players from this concept. It seems to work against league parity and act as an incentive for teams to dump players with high contracts. Edited February 23, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You can’t keep rewarding the top teams and expect parity Ya got the cause and effect backward. ? The pats are a parity aberration partly because they self select into getting these comp picks year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Formula? Formula my keister. Kraft cashed in ‘buy one, get one’ coupons from the Jupiter ‘garden of exotic delights and hangnail emporium’. Sort of like saving up your SkeeBall coupons for a good prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 17 hours ago, sven233 said: On a side note, Patriots owner Robert Kraft was so happy with this news that he was heard screaming "Hookers for everybody" at the Pats* facility! Now that’s funny. We have billboard material forever on this board, and I’ll enjoy every quip. As far as the Redskins trade, that sounds promising as we can still get one of the top OT’s at 14, but would be a gameday trade. I say this b/c if they have two in mind like Jonah Williams or the kid from FL, then they would not pull the trade and take the Tackle. It all depends on Beane’s board and can they still get what they want at 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 You could look at it as the Bills did get compensatory picks through trades. Not in any way complaining about this as felt it was the right move but when McD and Beane took over, they traded away most players that did have any value, thus getting picks that was. For example they could have kept Sammy one more season, (or would it have been 2?) then he walks via FA. They could of hung onto Darius and got picks. Likely that would have netted them a high pick. Instead they got picks via the trade. When a team constantly changes coaches every 3 to 4 years and is losing, it's hard to keep players around long enough to generate much value even when they leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 19 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Its very easy actually. The hidden magic formula is really Players gained vs players Lost. If you have more players lost then gained you qualify for a compensatory pick. Then they take the Average Annual Salary Of the players you gained and the players you lost and match them as equally as possible. To have a player qualify thy need to meet a certain salary threshold as well. Players signed that were cut from other teams do not count in the players gained column For Example: Buffalo lost: Seantrel Henderson Preston Brown E.J Gaines Joe Webb Buffalo gained: Murphy Lotelelei Stanford McCarron Bodine Bush 6 gained 4 lost = no picks Now the Patriots were a question Patriots lost: Nate Solder Malcolm Butler Danny Amendola Dion Lewis Joe Bademosi Cameron Fleming Patriots Gained: Adrian Clayborn Jeremy Hill Patriots lost 6 Gained 2= 4 possible comp picks Solder AAV is over 15 Butler AAV is over 12 Amendola is almost 6 Lewis almost 5 Bademost 3.1 Fleming 2.5 Clayborn is 5 AAV Hill was 1.3 So now match em up. Lewis and Clayborn cancel each other and Hill and Fleming cancel each other This leaves Solder= 3rd round, Butler 3rd round, Amendola 6th round, Bademosi 7th round based on their AAV Nice job. I doubt very much the Patriots started with a strategy of gaining comp picks--it takes time to get into the position they are now. The Bills still have holes to fill, and will be net buyers in FA again this year. Given their roster turnover, they also are a few years away from seeing a net loss of good players. I don't expect they will gain any decent comp picks for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 20 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Holy moly, Pats are getting 4 picks , two in the 3rd. How can that be? Will look for link. Rigged so Pats keep winning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidsJr Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Rigged so Pats keep winning Pats keep winning so it appears as if rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 They should limit compensatory picks to non playoff teams if they really want parity imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 3:29 PM, RPbillsfan said: With the Redskins getting a 3rd, 5th and 7th round compensatory picks it makes it a greater possibility that they may Ent to move up and draft their QB of the future. If you were the Bills GM, would you move from 9 to 14 and take both 3rd round picks? Are compensatory picks tradeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 4:13 PM, QCity said: There's nothing ridiculous or complex about it. The value it's based on is the amount that player signs for. I've been discussing this on this forum for a decade, but it typically draws blank stares and for some reason is equated to particle physics. This is not an accident. They aren't participating in some behind-the-scenes shenanigans. These are calculated moves that takes years of foresight to pull off correctly. Ozzie Newsome is the man who wrote the book on gaming the comp pick system, and the Pats front office has shown over the years that it's taking it to the next level. Bills' past GM's such as Nix, Whaley, Brandon, Levy, etc, etc, had no clue what was going on in regards to this and were incapable of seeing that far into the future to pull it off. So it sort of makes sense that a large portion of our fan base doesn't understand what's happening here. In fairness to OBD, they are trying to build a roster by drafting and developing player w/ select FA signing sprinkled in...the Pats on the other hand have less turnover year to year. One caveat, NE has started trading for developing player lately using mid round pick, which I believe don't count against the formula. Case in point: Long before the draft began, the Patriots: Received a first-round pick from the Los Angeles Rams for Brandin Cooks Received a second-round pick from the San Francisco 49ers for Jimmy Garoppolo Gave up a fourth-round pick to the Philadelphia Eagles for Eric Rowe Gave up a fifth-round pick to the Oakland Raiders for Cordarrelle Patterson Gave up a fifth-round pick to the Seattle Seahawks for Cassius Marsh Gave up a sixth-round pick to the Cleveland Browns for Jason McCourty Gave up a seventh-round pick to the Cincinnati Bengals for Marquis Flowers Received a seventh-round pick from the Seattle Seahawks for Justin Coleman Gave up a 2019 third-round pick to the Cleveland Browns for Danny Shelton Many of those deals also included swaps and tinkering with late-round selections I expect Beane to dabble with this approach this year with all these draft picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 1:22 PM, Jobot said: It's not like these picks are randomly given out... There's a reason that the Pats are the best during the season, and it's because they're also the best during the offseason. They're rewarded for letting their players walk in free agency. They can do that because they have the personnel to get by with less talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) We could of gotten 2 pks in 2017 but we just had to have Andre Holmes and DiMarco. I believe we would of gotten a 3rd for Gilmore 4th for Woods BTW I believe the Comp formula is flawed and needs to be changed. Edited February 24, 2019 by BillsFan1988 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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