2019 Draft Hypothetical Go Big !! Call Me Crazy But the Cards Should Do This .

[T master]

Although this has nothing to do with our beloved Bills team i was wondering after reading a couple of articles if this scenario could play out in this years draft which would or could be one big OMG moment that could put this draft down as one for the ages .

 

With a bunch of teams looking for a franchise QB this year due to injury or cap cuts due to a lot of cash due to a player that hasn't proven to be more than a average QB in the NFL , if you were the Cards would you pull off a big trade ignorer to get a hyped QB & the possibility of 2 number one picks ?

 

Arizona sits at number 1 & last year had picked their franchise QB in the draft but that HC is now gone, now in this years draft while sitting at #1 a heisman trophy winning QB in Kyler Murray that is as good as his predecessor Baker Mayfield (which was this yrs ROTY) in most every way is there for the taking .

 

With some teams in desperate need of a QB NYG at 6, Jacksonville at #7, Miami at #13, & Washington at #15, do you think any of these teams might be willing to trade for one Josh Rosen for their first round pick in order to get a possible franchise QB of the future for a rookie contract ? I know the for the Giants a #6 might be a bit high but the Cards might give back another say 3rd round pick & Jacksonville with the cluster F that they have with their QB & the $$ tied up there they may be tempted to do the same .

 

But this sets up with the talk of the Fins getting rid of Tanehill & given what has happened with Washington to Smith and given Snyders past with going big or go home moves this might be the perfect spot & yr for this to happen .

 

Arizona is not only sitting in the drivers seat as far as the first over all pick but if Kingsbury which at one point raved about Murray is one of the coaches of the future & has any guts would make this happen not only to give his team a great player for the future but the possibility of 2 first round picks either this yr or 2 in another draft, talk about a first yr HC making his mark in the NFL even if he did fall on his face this move would be one for the ages !! 

 

Go big or go home Kingsbury !!  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018077/article/cardinals-should-deal-josh-rosen-pick-kyler-murray-in-nfl-draft

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/10/18176792/kliff-kingsbury-kyler-murray-2019-nfl-draft-no-1-overall-good-news-kliff

Edited March 1, 2019 by T master

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

I don't get all the hype on Murray. He's not Baker. I think the combine and pre-draft visits will sort it all out and Murray drops to the bottom half of the first or from 9-14 if someone is really desperate.  Haskins, Lock, Jones, Murray come off the board in that order. The truth is that none of these guys deserve to be a Top 5 pick and I don't see this playing out like last years crop of rookies.

 

I see Haskins having marginal success and the rest falling into Rosen type years, if they play at all. I think most bridge backups will have better command of an offense then this group.

Edited February 16, 2019 by BillsRdue

[CaptnCoke11]

I was hoping for an Arizona post to read... I lied didn’t even read 1/4 of it

[Chuck Wagon]

If you evaluate Haskins or Murray to be better than Rosen and someone is willing to give you halfway decent value for Rosen then you make the trade and take the QB you think is better than him.

 

Frankly, given what rookie QBs cost and the importance of the position, if there's a chance you aren't sold on Rosen, take the guy you like and let him battle it out with Rosen.

[RPbillsfan]

This is a really interesting topic, thank you for the post.  In looking at the situation, a new HC with a chance to write his own story tells me your hypothesis has merit.

 

The Cardinals have a few pieces, but tons of holes to fill.  The Josh Rosen pick last year was pretty much a failed experiment.  So the question becomes does Kingsbury go with Murray to rebuild, trade Rosen to a team like Denver (long-term after Flacco), Washington (Alex Smith is done), Miami (are they more interested in tanking for 2020 QB').

 

Also, what must be considered is the need to draw fans to their stadium.  Fans are not going to be motivated to fill the seats with a first round edge rusher and Josh Rosen at QB.

 

If I was the GM of the Cardinals I would put Rosen on the market and see what offers I would receive and then select whichever QB best fits the new direction of the head coach and use the additional picks to start rebuilding the roster.

 

Based on where they are at with their current personnel and the level of competitiveness of the other teams in their division a say being a contender by 2021 is the goal.

[Thurman#1]

50 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

This is a really interesting topic, thank you for the post.  In looking at the situation, a new HC with a chance to write his own story tells me your hypothesis has merit.

 

The Cardinals have a few pieces, but tons of holes to fill.  The Josh Rosen pick last year was pretty much a failed experiment.  So the question becomes does Kingsbury go with Murray to rebuild, trade Rosen to a team like Denver (long-term after Flacco), Washington (Alex Smith is done), Miami (are they more interested in tanking for 2020 QB').

 

Also, what must be considered is the need to draw fans to their stadium.  Fans are not going to be motivated to fill the seats with a first round edge rusher and Josh Rosen at QB.

 

If I was the GM of the Cardinals I would put Rosen on the market and see what offers I would receive and then select whichever QB best fits the new direction of the head coach and use the additional picks to start rebuilding the roster.

 

Based on where they are at with their current personnel and the level of competitiveness of the other teams in their division a say being a contender by 2021 is the goal.

 

 

 

Saying Rosen is a failed experiment is like saying the bread has failed because it hasn't risen ... before you put it in the oven. Way way way way too early. With maybe two or three more way's.

[RPbillsfan]

7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Saying Rosen is a failed experiment is like saying the bread has failed because it hasn't risen ... before you put it in the oven. Way way way way too early. With maybe two or three more way's.

If we look only at the year 1 results Rosen was by light years worse then any of the other 1st round picks.

 

His style is a classic dropback QB, limited mobility kind of guy.  That means he needs a solid offensive line and good personnel at the skill positions to flourish.  The Cardinals have a horrid offensive line, limited weapons on the outside or at TE.  David Johnson is wasted in the current situation and the Cardinals need more picks to build the roster.

 

They can try and trade down but teams trading up for a QB can give up far less to come up to picks 3,4, or 5.  So, what options are they left with?

 

Keep the 1st pick and draft Nick Bosa or Josh Allen.

 

That does little to improve the team in 2019, does not generate much fan support and puts the Cardinals in a long rebuild.

 

Keep the 1st pick, select the QB they like best, and put Rosen on the block.

 

By drafting a QB first, it lowers Rosens trade market value as the Cardinals are then almost forced to deal him for less then market value.

 

Trade Rosen for the best offer and select their new QB to build around.

 

This is the pathway I actually think they are going to go.  It makes the most sense in both the short term and the longer term rebuilding.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Rosen had a horrible O Line, probably even worse than ours, so I see them trading out as there is always someone in the market for #1, and fill the line and several other holes.

 

Im no Rosen fan, but he had a defensive minded coach on a terrible line and is smaller in stature than some others, so they have to build a team.  They should have never fired Arians.  He took them from the year before 5-11, and bad before that after Warner said goodbye to three years of double digit wins and playoffs.

 

I’m excited for my Bucs ( after my Bills ), as you’ll see an even better offense out of the Bucs this year.  Now can they pick up in free agency and the draft a defensive line backing Corp outside of David, and draft for an overhaul of the secondary.  They rated most of the season as #1 or 2 in offense almost the entire year.  They just sucked on defense.

[RPbillsfan]

17 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Rosen had a horrible O Line, probably even worse than ours, so I see them trading out as there is always someone in the market for #1, and fill the line and several other holes.

 

Im no Rosen fan, but he had a defensive minded coach on a terrible line and is smaller in stature than some others, so they have to build a team.  They should have never fired Arians.  He took them from the year before 5-11, and bad before that after Warner said goodbye to three years of double digit wins and playoffs.

 

I’m excited for my Bucs ( after my Bills ), as you’ll see an even better offense out of the Bucs this year.  Now can they pick up in free agency and the draft a defensive line backing Corp outside of David, and draft for an overhaul of the secondary.  They rated most of the season as #1 or 2 in offense almost the entire year.  They just sucked on defense.

Hey Bucs fan, like the offense if Winston dosent self-destruct.  Defense did draft a number of secondary players last year and they did gain experience.  Will Gerald McCoy be released to gain cap space?  Do you resign disappointing T Donovan Smith?  What are your thoughts for the Bucs pick at 5?

[machine gun kelly]

Well, first I live in Tampa for over 20 years so of course I’m a Bucs fan, but make no mistake I bleed Red White and Royal Blue and grew up on South Park Ave. and went to St. Francis.  I just wanted to clear up for anyone else I’m not a Bucs fan on a Bills website.  

 

The only time Im in conflict is once every four years and every eight years I have my Bills jersey on in the Bucs home game.

 

As far as #5 it’s a toss up.  They a,ready have a highly productive offense as stated above, but have the pics to pick the top CB in the draft or OLB.  I know they invested in defense last year, but I would keep putting resources throughout the draft on defense like I hope we invest heavily in offense.

 

It’s too bad the Bucs only have $15 mil in cap space and maybe they move on from McCoy, but hope not as he is $13 mil on the cap.  If that does happen, I can see them reach for AB.  He was a stud under Arians in the past, and responds well to him.  The team could make it happen if they want move things around with their cap.  I can’t even imagine a team with AB, Mike Evans, OJ woward and company with a solid O Line.  If Winston can’t make it happen and take another step forward, they’ll cut him and start again.

 

Totally hypothetical, but a Bills defense including coaching and a Bucs offense, and we would have given the Pats a run for their money.  Not that they would win, but they would have been phenomenal games.

 

Most people don’t watch the Bucs up north and understood, but they were dynamic on offense.  So there is my answer, but the draft is a crap shoot as we don’t even know who each team picks up in the first and second round of free agency.  Bowles proved to be a better DC in Arizona, vs. Smith who made things too complicated.

 

Anyway, although I made a comment on the Bucs, I know we are here to discuss the Bills.  I appreciate you’re question and a Trey White CB is desperately needed down here.

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, T master said:

Although this has nothing to do with our beloved Bills team i was wondering after reading a couple of articles if this scenario could play out in this years draft which would or could be one big OMG moment that could put this draft down as one for the ages .

 

With a bunch of teams looking for a franchise QB this year due to injury or cap cuts due to a lot of cash due to a player that hasn't proven to be more than a average QB in the NFL , if you were the Cards would you pull off a big trade ignorer to get a hyped QB & the possibility of 2 number one picks ?

 

Arizona sits at number 1 & last year had picked their franchise QB in the draft but that HC is now gone, now in this years draft while sitting at #1 a heisman trophy winning QB in Kyler Murray that is as good as his predecessor Baker Mayfield (which was this yrs ROTY) in most every way is there for the taking .

 

With some teams in desperate need of a QB NYG at 6, Jacksonville at #7, Miami at #13, & Washington at #15, do you think any of these teams might be willing to trade for one Josh Rosen for their first round pick in order to get a possible franchise QB of the future for a rookie contract ? I know the for the Giants a #6 might be a bit high but the Cards might give back another say 3rd round pick & Jacksonville with the cluster F that they have with their QB & the $$ tied up there they may be tempted to do the same .

 

But this sets up with the talk of the Fins getting rid of Tanehill & given what has happened with Washington to Smith and given Snyders past with going big or go home moves this might be the perfect spot & yr for this to happen .

 

Arizona is not only sitting in the drivers seat as far as the first over all pick but if Kingsbury which at one point raved about Murray is one of the coaches of the future & has any guts would make this happen not only to give his team a great player for the future but the possibility of 2 first round picks either this yr or 2 in another draft, talk about a first yr HC making his mark in the NFL even if he did fall on his face this move would be one for the ages !! 

 

Go big or go home Kingsbury !!  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018077/article/cardinals-should-deal-josh-rosen-pick-kyler-murray-in-nfl-draft

Mayfield>Murray

Darnold>Murray

Allen>Murray

[1st&ten]

41 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Well, first I live in Tampa for over 20 years so of course I’m a Bucs fan, but make no mistake I bleed Red White and Royal Blue and grew up on South Park Ave. and went to St. Francis.  I just wanted to clear up for anyone else I’m not a Bucs fan on a Bills website.  

 

The only time Im in conflict is once every four years and every eight years I have my Bills jersey on in the Bucs home game.

 

Well, I understand----I vacation at my brother in laws condo in Largo. The number of people from western NY in Gulf area is amazing, Go to a Rays game when the Yankees are playing & half the people have Yankee gear on.

[machine gun kelly]

Well, first I live in Tampa for over 20 years so of course I’m a Bucs fan, but make no mistake I bleed Red White and Royal Blue and grew up on South Park Ave. and went to St. Francis.  I just wanted to clear up for anyone else I’m not a Bucs fan on a Bills website.  

 

The only time Im in conflict is once every four years and every eight years I have my Bills jersey on in the Bucs home game.

 

As far as #5 it’s a toss up.  They a,ready have a highly productive offense as stated above, but have the pics to pick the top CB in the draft or OLB.  I know they invested in defense last year, but I would keep putting resources throughout the draft on defense like I hope we invest heavily in offense.

 

It’s too bad the Bucs only have $15 mil in cap space and maybe they move on from McCoy, but hope not as he is $13 mil on the cap.  If that does happen, I can see them reach for AB.  He was a stud under Arians in the past, and responds well to him.  The team could make it happen if they want move things around with their cap.  I can’t even imagine a team with AB, Mike Evans, OJ woward and company with a solid O Line.  If Winston can’t make it happen and take another step forward, they’ll cut him and start again.

 

Totally hypothetical, but a Bills defense including coaching and a Bucs offense, and we would have given the Pats a run for their money.  Not that they would win, but they would have been phenomenal games.

 

Most people don’t watch the Bucs up north and understood, but they were dynamic on offense.  So there is my answer, but the draft is a crap shoot as we don’t even know who each team picks up in the first and second round of free agency.  Bowles proved to be a better DC in Arizona, vs. Smith who made things too complicated.

 

Anyway, although I made a comment on the Bucs, I know we are here to discuss the Bills.  I appreciate you’re question and a Trey White CB is desperately needed down here.

[RPbillsfan]

42 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Well, first I live in Tampa for over 20 years so of course I’m a Bucs fan, but make no mistake I bleed Red White and Royal Blue and grew up on South Park Ave. and went to St. Francis.  I just wanted to clear up for anyone else I’m not a Bucs fan on a Bills website.  

 

The only time Im in conflict is once every four years and every eight years I have my Bills jersey on in the Bucs home game.

 

As far as #5 it’s a toss up.  They a,ready have a highly productive offense as stated above, but have the pics to pick the top CB in the draft or OLB.  I know they invested in defense last year, but I would keep putting resources throughout the draft on defense like I hope we invest heavily in offense.

 

It’s too bad the Bucs only have $15 mil in cap space and maybe they move on from McCoy, but hope not as he is $13 mil on the cap.  If that does happen, I can see them reach for AB.  He was a stud under Arians in the past, and responds well to him.  The team could make it happen if they want move things around with their cap.  I can’t even imagine a team with AB, Mike Evans, OJ woward and company with a solid O Line.  If Winston can’t make it happen and take another step forward, they’ll cut him and start again.

 

Totally hypothetical, but a Bills defense including coaching and a Bucs offense, and we would have given the Pats a run for their money.  Not that they would win, but they would have been phenomenal games.

 

Most people don’t watch the Bucs up north and understood, but they were dynamic on offense.  So there is my answer, but the draft is a crap shoot as we don’t even know who each team picks up in the first and second round of free agency.  Bowles proved to be a better DC in Arizona, vs. Smith who made things too complicated.

 

Anyway, although I made a comment on the Bucs, I know we are here to discuss the Bills.  I appreciate you’re question and a Trey White CB is desperately needed down here.

Maybe Greedy Williams to give you a shutdown CB

[GunnerBill]

The people writing Rosen off already are fools. The Cardinals are not taking Kyler Murray. 

 

Kingsbury was hired because of his fit with Rosen. No other reason. If he can't develop Rosen he is out of a job. 

[RPbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The people writing Rosen off already are fools. The Cardinals are not taking Kyler Murray. 

 

Kingsbury was hired because of his fit with Rosen. No other reason. If he can't develop Rosen he is out of a job. 

It will be interesting to see the year 2 development of each of last years 1st round QB's

 

The Bills, Jets and Cardinals will be adding offensive line and skill position players.  The Ravens have Greg Roman to put together a customized game plan for Jackson and honestly, will be see much improvement in Baker's game.

[machine gun kelly]

53 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

Maybe Greedy Williams to give you a shutdown CB

Thanks RB.  HE’s on my list.  My original statements weren’t for you, but for others.  We have tons of diehard Bills fans around the country, that was their home, and can have a Bills as a primary, and a secondary team.

 

Appreciate the advice,

[Bills4life1924]

If, a big "IF", the cardinals do fall in love with Murray and select him 1st overall, I wouldn't put it past the Patriots to try and swing a trade for Rosen to be the heir of Brady

Edited February 16, 2019 by Bills4life1924

[BuffAlone]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The people writing Rosen off already are fools. The Cardinals are not taking Kyler Murray. 

 

Kingsbury was hired because of his fit with Rosen. No other reason. If he can't develop Rosen he is out of a job. 

Agreed. 

[RPbillsfan]

19 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said:

If, a big "IF", the cardinals do fall in love with Murray and select him 1st overall, I wouldn't put it past the Patriots to try and swing a trade for Rosen to be the heir of Brady

Please let Rosen go to the Patriots.  That would be fantastic, he is nothing close to Brady and with the sub-par weapons on their roster he will totally su**

 

As a Bills fan I can only hope.

[Bills4life1924]

7 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

Please let Rosen go to the Patriots.  That would be fantastic, he is nothing close to Brady and with the sub-par weapons on their roster he will totally su**

 

As a Bills fan I can only hope.

Can u imagine if it happened, 3 of the 5 qb's drafted in 1st rd of 18' draft would be in AFC east. And all 5 playing in AFC.. if that QB class lives up to the hype it would be great competition and a fun AFC for years to come

Edited February 16, 2019 by Bills4life1924

[WideNine]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Saying Rosen is a failed experiment is like saying the bread has failed because it hasn't risen ... before you put it in the oven. Way way way way too early. With maybe two or three more way's.

 

That is the logical, sane, and well thought-out way rookies should be evaluated, but this is the NFL and there is a regime change so all "Cards" are on the table - lame joke I know.

 

I think they would have more success building around and better supporting Rosen, but there are more than a few teams that prefer investing in more mobile QB's that can help them win NOW and disguise all the warts they have with protections, receivers getting open, etc... Longer term I think the better defenses in the NFL figure out how to bottle up those QBs and they struggle throwing from the pocket.

 

I think Murray will be very susceptible to that kind of defensive approach considering his height and size, but you never know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

Kyler Murray is no Baker Mayfield if what your looking for is a rookie with the type of demonstrated ability to start, let alone shine, on an NFL playing field. Baker showed that he could go through his progressions, throw his receivers open, hitting them with pinpoint accuracy. It is irrelevant that Murray put up even more impressive passing stats in Lincoln Riley's offence. Murray is for now pretty much a see it/throw it passer. And he's small, like Flutie small. Being a dual threat QB is great but you have to execute consistently from the pocket. Will he be able to see/find the passing lanes the way Brees and Wilson can, both of whom, already smaller QBs, are taller than he is? Nobody knows. If you worry, quite reasonably, about preserving Josh Allen's body, well....

I will be more amused than surprised if some QB needy team blows it's brains out moving up to take him early in the first or a team like the Dolphins take him with their first pick. He's a another second round prospect at best who will go in the first.

Murray has great tools but he needs to be developed to execute in an offensive scheme designed for him. I don't think Zona takes him but it would be hilarious to see them trade down because some team thinks they're looking at Baker Mayfield.

Edited February 17, 2019 by starrymessenger

[T master]

19 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Kyler Murray is no Baker Mayfield if what your looking for is a rookie with the type of demonstrated ability to start, let alone shine, on an NFL playing field. Baker showed that he could go through his progressions, throw his receivers open, hitting them with pinpoint accuracy. It is irrelevant that Murray put up even more impressive passing stats in Lincoln Riley's offence. Murray is for now pretty much a see it/throw it passer. And he's small, like Flutie small. Being a dual threat QB is great but you have to execute consistently from the pocket. Will he be able to see/find the passing lanes the way Brees and Wilson can, both of whom, already smaller QBs, are taller than he is? Nobody knows. If you worry, quite reasonably, about preserving Josh Allen's body, well....

I will be more amused than surprised if some QB needy team blows it's brains out moving up to take him early in the first or a team like the Dolphins take him with their first pick. He's a another second round prospect at best who will go in the first.

Murray has great tools but he needs to be developed to execute in an offensive scheme designed for him. I don't think Zona takes him but it would be hilarious to see them trade down because some team thinks they're looking at Baker Mayfield.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2080032/baker-mayfield

 

https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2180829/kyler-murray

Edited February 17, 2019 by T master

[T master]

On 2/16/2019 at 8:34 AM, T master said:

Although this has nothing to do with our beloved Bills team i was wondering after reading a couple of articles if this scenario could play out in this years draft which would or could be one big OMG moment that could put this draft down as one for the ages .

 

With a bunch of teams looking for a franchise QB this year due to injury or cap cuts due to a lot of cash due to a player that hasn't proven to be more than a average QB in the NFL , if you were the Cards would you pull off a big trade ignorer to get a hyped QB & the possibility of 2 number one picks ?

 

Arizona sits at number 1 & last year had picked their franchise QB in the draft but that HC is now gone, now in this years draft while sitting at #1 a heisman trophy winning QB in Kyler Murray that is as good as his predecessor Baker Mayfield (which was this yrs ROTY) in most every way is there for the taking .

 

With some teams in desperate need of a QB NYG at 6, Jacksonville at #7, Miami at #13, & Washington at #15, do you think any of these teams might be willing to trade for one Josh Rosen for their first round pick in order to get a possible franchise QB of the future for a rookie contract ? I know the for the Giants a #6 might be a bit high but the Cards might give back another say 3rd round pick & Jacksonville with the cluster F that they have with their QB & the $$ tied up there they may be tempted to do the same .

 

But this sets up with the talk of the Fins getting rid of Tanehill & given what has happened with Washington to Smith and given Snyders past with going big or go home moves this might be the perfect spot & yr for this to happen .

 

Arizona is not only sitting in the drivers seat as far as the first over all pick but if Kingsbury which at one point raved about Murray is one of the coaches of the future & has any guts would make this happen not only to give his team a great player for the future but the possibility of 2 first round picks either this yr or 2 in another draft, talk about a first yr HC making his mark in the NFL even if he did fall on his face this move would be one for the ages !! 

 

Go big or go home Kingsbury !!  

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018077/article/cardinals-should-deal-josh-rosen-pick-kyler-murray-in-nfl-draft

 

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/10/18176792/kliff-kingsbury-kyler-murray-2019-nfl-draft-no-1-overall-good-news-kliff

 

Call me crazy but Peter Schrager has had the same thought as i did back in Feb when i originally wrote this. The cards would be foolish to let this opportunity go by & be sitting with 2 QB's like the Redskins did a few yrs ago. 

 

With all the teams looking to add a QB weather it be for need because of a aging QB or because of injury or heck just to acquire future draft picks this is nothing but a win, win for the Cards If Kingsbury & the GM are half the football people that they were hired to be they will make this happen !!

 

Sorry didn't know any other way to bring this back up & looks like i screwed up on it ...

Edited March 1, 2019 by T master

[BillsMafia13]

On 2/16/2019 at 3:27 PM, formerlyofCtown said:

Mayfield>Murray

Darnold>Murray

Allen>Murray

Cool but irrelevant.  If Kliff thinks Murray>Rosen then how could you not make the move.  Or the cards could get real saucy, trade Rosen and the first overall pick, move back and take one of the other qbs.  Dumb but hey

[formerlyofCtown]

20 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Cool but irrelevant.  If Kliff thinks Murray>Rosen then how could you not make the move.  Or the cards could get real saucy, trade Rosen and the first overall pick, move back and take one of the other qbs.  Dumb but hey

I talk a lot of crap concerning Rosen because I dont care for SJWs but if he can keep his focus on football he can beva good QB.  Considering the line he played behind was just as bad as ours if not worse he played pretty well and did grow as the year went on.  Do you trade someone that seems to be able to play at the NFL level for an unknown Rookie.

 

Dont tell anyone I said good things about Rosen though.?

[BillsMafia13]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I talk a lot of crap concerning Rosen because I dont care for SJWs but if he can keep his focus on football he can beva good QB.  Considering the line he played behind was just as bad as ours if not worse he played pretty well and did grow as the year went on.  Do you trade someone that seems to be able to play at the NFL level for an unknown Rookie.

 

Dont tell anyone I said good things about Rosen though.?

Your secrets safe here, I think hes a noodle armed cutler wannabe jabroni too so.  Kliff said a couple months ago he'd take Murray#1 in a second.  Lets hope hes a man of his word

[Alphadawg7]

Nobody is trading a top 10 pick for Rosen after spending a whole season sucking.  He has value,  but its not top 10 value.  I doubt they get a first for him.  

 

I mean they badly need a QB, invested a top 10 pick last year in him, and now trading him?  What team is going to think he’s worth a top 10 pick if the team who spent a top 10 pick on him last year is already going to move on?

 

Prediction:  Cards WILL take Murray.  I do think they are.  But they will either keep Rosen this year to let the two battle it out like Brees vs Rivers, Aikman vs Walsh and trade the loser of the competition next year or they will trade him this year and get back likely a 2nd round pick, but not a first.  

[dave mcbride]

On 2/16/2019 at 5:20 PM, GunnerBill said:

The people writing Rosen off already are fools. The Cardinals are not taking Kyler Murray. 

 

Kingsbury was hired because of his fit with Rosen. No other reason. If he can't develop Rosen he is out of a job. 

I think you may be wrong about this one, GB.

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Nobody is trading a top 10 pick for Rosen after spending a whole season sucking.  He has value,  but its not top 10 value.  I doubt they get a first for him.  

 

I mean they badly need a QB, invested a top 10 pick last year in him, and now trading him?  What team is going to think he’s worth a top 10 pick if the team who spent a top 10 pick on him last year is already going to move on?

 

Prediction:  Cards WILL take Murray.  I do think they are.  But they will either keep Rosen this year to let the two battle it out like Brees vs Rivers, Aikman vs Walsh and trade the loser of the competition next year or they will trade him this year and get back likely a 2nd round pick, but not a first.  

Excellent post. I agree. If you don't believe in the QB you have, and if you have the #1 overall pick, and if there is a draftable QB that you truly believe in, you draft that QB.

[Just Joshin']

49 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Nobody is trading a top 10 pick for Rosen after spending a whole season sucking.  He has value,  but its not top 10 value.  I doubt they get a first for him.  

 

I mean they badly need a QB, invested a top 10 pick last year in him, and now trading him?  What team is going to think he’s worth a top 10 pick if the team who spent a top 10 pick on him last year is already going to move on?

 

Prediction:  Cards WILL take Murray.  I do think they are.  But they will either keep Rosen this year to let the two battle it out like Brees vs Rivers, Aikman vs Walsh and trade the loser of the competition next year or they will trade him this year and get back likely a 2nd round pick, but not a first.  

Since we are in prediction mode:

1.  Cards draft Murray.

2.  Rosen traded to Pats for 2nd or 3rd round pick.

3.  Cards GM and coach fired in 3 years after Murray busts.

4.  Rosen busts in NE, descent begins.

[Jay_Fixit]

On 2/16/2019 at 1:18 PM, machine gun kelly said:

Well, first I live in Tampa for over 20 years so of course I’m a Bucs fan, but make no mistake I bleed Red White and Royal Blue and grew up on South Park Ave. and went to St. Francis.  I just wanted to clear up for anyone else I’m not a Bucs fan on a Bills website.  

 

The only time Im in conflict is once every four years and every eight years I have my Bills jersey on in the Bucs home game.

 

As far as #5 it’s a toss up.  They a,ready have a highly productive offense as stated above, but have the pics to pick the top CB in the draft or OLB.  I know they invested in defense last year, but I would keep putting resources throughout the draft on defense like I hope we invest heavily in offense.

 

It’s too bad the Bucs only have $15 mil in cap space and maybe they move on from McCoy, but hope not as he is $13 mil on the cap.  If that does happen, I can see them reach for AB.  He was a stud under Arians in the past, and responds well to him.  The team could make it happen if they want move things around with their cap.  I can’t even imagine a team with AB, Mike Evans, OJ woward and company with a solid O Line.  If Winston can’t make it happen and take another step forward, they’ll cut him and start again.

 

Totally hypothetical, but a Bills defense including coaching and a Bucs offense, and we would have given the Pats a run for their money.  Not that they would win, but they would have been phenomenal games.

 

Most people don’t watch the Bucs up north and understood, but they were dynamic on offense.  So there is my answer, but the draft is a crap shoot as we don’t even know who each team picks up in the first and second round of free agency.  Bowles proved to be a better DC in Arizona, vs. Smith who made things too complicated.

 

Anyway, although I made a comment on the Bucs, I know we are here to discuss the Bills.  I appreciate you’re question and a Trey White CB is desperately needed down here.

But if you’re a Bucs fan, how can you bleed red white and royal blue? As you’re a Bucs fan.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I’d hate to be the Cards. They’ve got really complicated decisions to make that will serve as  the inflection point dictatating the next several years of the franchise at minimum. 

 

dont eff it up guys! 

Edited March 1, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

But if you’re a Bucs fan, how can you bleed red white and royal blue? As you’re a Bucs fan.

 

 

 

Jay don’t be a putz.  Lots of posters are loyal to their team of origin, but when you live half of you’re life in Tampa starting with 5 days before the Bills Giants SB, you can have an AFC and an NFC team.  They only play each other every four years and every eight in Tampa.  I’ve worn my Bills jersey to every Tampa-Bills game and been to every one since 1991. If I remember the first t8me was in 93 and we won (Bills).

 

The Bills will always trump the Bucs, but just like Ice Bowl who is a class act roots for our Bills when we don’t play Green Bay.